*Steeping Methods* Instant/Long Term

[Hoosier]

If you haven't tried seed steeping I encourage everyone to try it. I guarantee it will surprise you.

Did this Sunday on a juice that takes over a week of steeping before it tastes any good. If it can cut that down to a few days I will be ecstatic. (I will crack it open tomorrow...)

Actually did it because I didn't see the need to grab a clean bottle and knew the existing juice wouldn't overflow the bottle with the fresh batch added.

 

[xMackx]

Did this Sunday on a juice that takes over a week of steeping before it tastes any good. If it can cut that down to a few days I will be ecstatic. (I will crack it open tomorrow...)

Actually did it because I didn't see the need to grab a clean bottle and knew the existing juice wouldn't overflow the bottle with the fresh batch added.

Let me know what you think!

 

[Hoosier]

Let me know what you think!

There was about 1.5ml's left in the bottle when I mixed a new 30ml batch on Sunday. It has been sitting until this morning, Wednesday, and it tastes like it has been sitting for a tad over 7 days.

It cut the steeping time in half. Since the recipe doesn't seem to get any help from a hot water bath or vibration mixing, which is unusual in my mixes, and only reacts with time, this is a great thing for this puppy. I'm saying the steep time was cut in half.

If the caramel notes come to the front by this Sunday, the half time will hold true as they usually take 2 weeks. (It's still good without it being fully developed, but even better after a full time steeping.)

I cannot really wrap my head around what is going on, but I think I'll be using this for this recipe regardless.

 

[xMackx]

Todays seed steeping taste test

As you all know after only 2 days the color changed like it had been steeping for weeks and tasted very good.

Todays taste test is amazing, After only one week my Double Ry4 tastes just as delicious as a 5-6 week steep and has completely finished darkening.

When I mixed this seed steeping batch I only had several drops of 4 week steeped juice left of the Double Ry4 for a 40ml batch. I didn't expect it to do anything because of my previous experiments using 10% pre steeped juice. What I found amazing was it only took seven drops.

I have a theory that the flavor molecules that have settled together when steeping that haveing a seed of pre steeped juice kick starts the rest of the batch to do the same.

 

[mainevaper]

OK...
I see all this stuff about steeping and how it improves the flavor. Makes sense...
What I don't understand is exactly how it affects the flavor. Does it mellow it out some, or bring it out more? Or just make for a more even blend? I'm sure this is all subject to varrying flavor recipes, but maybe someone can break it down for in newb terms

Reason I ask is, I just got my first shipment if diy juice last Saturday. Mixed up my first batch tfa double ry4 and tfa toasted almond. The taste is great, but its super sweet! Will steeping cut down on the sweetness at all? Any suggestions for cutting back the sweetness?

 

[Hoosier]

Does it mellow it out some, or bring it out more? Or just make for a more even blend?

It can possibly do all that. It might not do a darn thing.

Mixed up my first batch tfa double ry4 and tfa toasted almond. The taste is great, but its super sweet! Will steeping cut down on the sweetness at all? Any suggestions for cutting back the sweetness?

Tobacco flavors are nearly universal in that they need to steep. Some just a day or two and some a couple of weeks or more. The only way to find out is to try it and see what happens.

I'm not sure if steeping will help with the sweetness. Also not sure if adding some acid or bitter will help either...

 

[xMackx]

Everyone when they first start mixing is a mix and vape after a shake. In time you'll end up putting a mix away you didn't like fresh, find it a month later and think it's the best thing since salad shooter.

The same reason everyone first trying to rebuild with cotton will fill the tank think it looks wet and burn the cotton not giving the proper time for absorption so the cotton provides the capillary action needed for wicking.

Both are factors of the same thing... impatients...

The reason for steeping changing the flavor is how the flavoring reacts when mixed into a soluble solution. When freshly mixed all of the ingredients aren't completely done mingling their molecules yet.

Some ingredients don't need steeping at all like really fruity flavors. Others like tobacco, carmel, vanilla, and more robust flavors need steeping the longest. That is unless you seed steep .

 

[mainevaper]

Right on... Thanks guys. I'm trying the hot water bath and shake shake shake thing now. I'll prolly drip a lil everyday to see how/if it changes.
The sweetness might just be caused by using to much I fear...
Or... It could be the vivi nova I'm using. Its not quite as sweet with the tank/Atty that came with my egos....

 

[Hoosier]

If the caramel notes come to the front by this Sunday, the half time will hold true as they usually take 2 weeks. (It's still good without it being fully developed, but even better after a full time steeping.)

I know it's bad form to quote one's self, but I have been testing this out on my recipe that typically takes 2 full weeks of steeping to be perfect and a week to taste good and have gotten through to the end.

The seed steep method cut the first week of steeping down to 3-4 days. It took 1.5 weeks to get the full effect of a normal 2 weeks of steeping so it sped things up in the beginning, but didn't continue.

I think the recipe I was testing this with is perfect for a real steeping test because if you taste it right after mixing, it tastes like crap. If you taste it after it sits tightly capped for a week it is a pleasant tobacco taste with a hint of fruit kinda' like it has been dipped in brandy. After two full weeks of steeping it has a caramel note that seems to appear out of nowhere and becomes the primary, the tobacco the secondary, and what used to be the fruit becomes more like a sweet spice note in the background.

Note, this is my observation based on one of my recipes and does not distract, nor counter, the experiences of others using the seed steep method.