Thanks!The more I read,the less I know!
I sure hope the one I ordered will work ok?
I'm sure it will get the job done. My first unit was only 35 watts, and WAY smaller than the one you ordered.
Steeping Times and an Ultrasonic Cleaner Part III
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I'm sure it will get the job done. My first unit was only 35 watts, and WAY smaller than the one you ordered.
Thanks!
It will work just fine. one or 2 other people here have that model and have not had problems.
Thanks,Danny! I mostly mix fruit flavors,but was wanting to try out some tobacco flavors,and didn't want to put up with the long (on the shelf) steep times. Ron
Man,this thread died in it's tracks! I guess we have talked about everything you could ever want to know about using a UC for steeping?
I guess we have talked about everything you could ever want to know about using a UC for steeping?
Well, it WORKS!
Most of the technical gobbledygook has already been covered.
At this point I think everybody is just happy speed steeping their juice, and answering the occasional question that pops up.
Actually I do have a technical question though. I have seen various recommendations as to max temp, most were "if I recall" or "so & so said" type references. Does anyone have a a source/reference (that can be validated) that specifies exactly what temp nic starts to "lose potency"? I know nic will begin to oxidize at some temp (what temp range?), but the oxidation only affects color (not efficacy) up to some point, the question being what is the point where efficacy starts to decline.
Most of the technical gobbledygook has already been covered.
At this point I think everybody is just happy speed steeping their juice, and answering the occasional question that pops up.
Actually I do have a technical question though. I have seen various recommendations as to max temp, most were "if I recall" or "so & so said" type references. Does anyone have a a source/reference (that can be validated) that specifies exactly what temp nic starts to "lose potency"? I know nic will begin to oxidize at some temp (what temp range?), but the oxidation only affects color (not efficacy) up to some point, the question being what is the point where efficacy starts to decline.
I'll ask Kurt the resident ECF chemist when I get a chance and post back when he replies.
Man,this thread died in it's tracks!
Na this thread will never die. May be slow from time to time but it does have it's moments.
Here's a little tid bit I found.
To give a clear picture of just how unstable freebase nicotine is, let's look at a few facts about it. According to the International Programme on Chemical Safety (IPCS), freebase nicotine has the following physical properties:
Melting Point: -80 degrees Celsius
Boiling Point: 247 degrees Celsius
Flash Point: 95 degrees Celsius
Auto-Ignition Temperature: 240 degrees Celsius
Explosive Limits: 0.7 - 4 percent, by volume, in air
Vapor Pressure at Room Temperature: 0.006 kPa
The interesting thing to note here is that the auto-ignition temperature is lower than the boiling point. This means that, if you heat freebase nicotine in an air free container, it will detonate (explode) before it boils.
Nicotine is so unstable that it does not need to react chemically with anything to have an explosion occur. Its low vapor pressure tells us that nicotine does not evaporate on its own. If you heat it, nicotine will decompose chemically before it boils. Furthermore, in the presence of air, nicotine bursts into flames at a temperature just below the boiling point of water.
For a reference on the physical properties of nicotine, you can check the IPCS:
ICSC 0519 - NICOTINE
reference source:
The Smoker's Club, Inc. Encyclopedia 16
Now keep in mind that these figures are based on pure freebase Nicotine and what results in a finished mix that's steeping is diluted far below what the figures are based on when mixed in a PG/VG base. So I would say that the recommended 120F or 48.8C should be observed if heating your mix. And I would assume there would be some chemical breakdown even at the fore mentioned recommendations. How much I really don't know.
The reference article I've linked to gives some other interesting information on freebase Nicotine and is a really good read. I highly recommend reading it.
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Read my post above. Slightly below the boiling point of water pure Nicotine will explode in a sealed bottle. If you heat it, nicotine will decompose chemically before it boils. 120f - 125f (48C) is a good recommendation.
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I go for warm, but not hot. Comfortable enough to leave my hand in there without it being burning. As long as it's somewhat warm, it makes the VG super thin which helps it mix well with the other ingredients.
Good read, thanks Danny.
Thank you as well Mowgli.
I know that my UC, if started with hot tap water, will easily get to 50C or above within the 99 minute timer cycle without ever turning the heat on. I may just start with cold water from now on, and dilute with cold water if doing multiple 99 min cycles.
I think Kurt's statement about "Reaction with O2 is always increased with increasing temperature" also lends itself to using the cap and filling the bottles as full as possible, while UCing, which I dont always do.
I wonder what he means by "reaction" though. Is that the discoloration from oxidation, or is that a reduction in efficacy, or both? Does oxidation equal reduced potency?
Thank you as well Mowgli.
I know that my UC, if started with hot tap water, will easily get to 50C or above within the 99 minute timer cycle without ever turning the heat on. I may just start with cold water from now on, and dilute with cold water if doing multiple 99 min cycles.
I think Kurt's statement about "Reaction with O2 is always increased with increasing temperature" also lends itself to using the cap and filling the bottles as full as possible, while UCing, which I dont always do.
I wonder what he means by "reaction" though. Is that the discoloration from oxidation, or is that a reduction in efficacy, or both? Does oxidation equal reduced potency?
The rest of the article is a really good read expecially where they say there is really no nicotine in the solution but a chemical compound of the by product of nicotine called cotinine, and nicotinic acid (vitamin B3, niacin). hese compounds formed from nicotine are stable, are not poisonous, are not addictive drugs, and are essential to good human health and nutrition.
The reaction he speaks of is caused by O2 and causes the NIC to brown (oxidize) but I don't believe it reduces the potency. From what I've read the temperature would need to be just under the boiling point for the chemical composition to break down.
Wish I could find an US cleaner locally...saw they had a little crappy cheap on at wally world, couldn't find any timer info on the box.
I recommend
Amazon.com: Joy4Less Professional Grade Ultrasonic Cleaner 4810, 30-min Timer, Plastic Basket: Electronics
Can't help you locally not knowing where you are.
My UC should be delivered by UPS this morning!
Can't wait to get it up and running!
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