Steeping Times and an Ultrasonic Cleaner Part III

[hassanm]

I would say the UC is functioning well.

Several pages back in this thread, you will see the details of a blind test conducted in a very controlled manner comparing UC and crockpot, steeping. Look it. One guy carefully prepared the test and the blind test samples and shipped them to 3 forum members - Alabama, New Jersey, and California. We received 3 bottles. UC, CP, and control (no steeping). The bottles were labeled as A B & C, so we did not know which was which... It was easy to identify the control bottle... The other 2 were a little harder.

All 3 of us picked the UC as the "best". Two of us samplers also sent them on to another forum member for further sampling. Again, the UC was picked as the best.

Mix yourself another small batch and UC half and leave half alone. 4 hours of UC (or CP) makes a difference. It might not make your juice perfect, but you will see a difference.

I suggest reading that area of this thread...

Brilliant! I'll have a read. I read through part 2 which was 11 pages long. This looks like a monster

 

[PumPPimP]

Thanks, anyone have any links to uk ones? I ask because would thicker glass have less effect in the cleaner than thinner ones? Which ones do people use?

e.g. is this any good?

http://www.amazon.co.uk/10ml-AMBER-...1405089597&sr=8-1&keywords=10ml+glass+bottles

It's amazon prime so will get it tomorrow if I place an order

ampulla,co.uk

 

[PumPPimP]

clear glass will allow you to observe any colour change

 

[rowdyplace]

Brilliant! I'll have a read. I read through part 2 which was 11 pages long. This looks like a monster

Glanced back over this thread. Start at least at page 121, maybe a little before for the lead up. You will find some pics and a lot of details on the virtues of steeping.

 

[buffaloguy]

I have done lotsof uc. my final atempt to affect a change in the eliquid was using 20mlk bottle so there was more air in them.
So far i do remain unconvinced about the usefulness of u/c. there has been a slight reduction in the astringency of some liquids, and a slight enhancement of any creaminess in the flavour.
however, no colour change so far and the taste aspect cld be down to any number of factors, ie my taste buds, their state and their rate of improvement!
my unscientific conclusion so far is heating with rice/ water with occasional o2 replacement then leaving caps on might be better

Im not sure what is going wrong for you then. Tons of us testing and getting similar great results cant be wrong.

Are you getting close to 150°? Are you running it for 4 hours straight at constant temp? If not, thats the problem.

 

[Snipe]

Hi guys. I thought I'd share my recent UC steeping method as it works pretty well. The box you see there is a PID controller that I built myself (though there are commercially available ones that are less work and probably cheaper). I use this for my DIY smoker as well as my DIY sous vide.

For those not familiar, a PID controller basically consists of a temp probe and switch. The switch references the probe, and turns on / off power depending on the set reference temp.

In this case, I have a spoon rubber-banded to hold down the on button of my cheapy UC. The PID decides whether to turn the device on or off based on temp. I can leave it on all night and know that it will not heat more than 0.1 deg beyond my desired temp, but will pulse UC consistently and keep the juice warm.

My question for you guys is what temp should I set it at? I've looked around at nicotine degradation temps, and haven't really found anything I trust. Admittedly I've not made it through this entire thread, but have read a decent bit of parts 1, 2, and 3. I've seen 125 deg C referenced, as well as 150.

Any help with temp is appreciated

 

[rowdyplace]

I use 150° F. I believe this is the new "norm". This seems to be one of the "lessons learned" from this thread and the work MikeP did here.

Again, let me suggest glancing back over this thread. Start at least at page 121, maybe a little before for the lead up. You will find some pics and a lot of details on the virtues of steeping.

 

[Snipe]

I use 150° F. I believe this is the new "norm". This seems to be one of the "lessons learned" from this thread and the work MikeP did here.

Is there a time period for degradation? Is 150 ok for 1 hour? 8 hours? Indefinitely?

 

[rowdyplace]

As I remember, 4 hours was the established norm. I have left a batch overnight (8 hrs) more than once with good results. I would think there is a time that is "too long".

 

[SlickWilly]

Hi guys. I thought I'd share my recent UC steeping method as it works pretty well. The box you see there is a PID controller that I built myself (though there are commercially available ones that are less work and probably cheaper). I use this for my DIY smoker as well as my DIY sous vide.

For those not familiar, a PID controller basically consists of a temp probe and switch. The switch references the probe, and turns on / off power depending on the set reference temp.

In this case, I have a spoon rubber-banded to hold down the on button of my cheapy UC. The PID decides whether to turn the device on or off based on temp. I can leave it on all night and know that it will not heat more than 0.1 deg beyond my desired temp, but will pulse UC consistently and keep the juice warm.

My question for you guys is what temp should I set it at? I've looked around at nicotine degradation temps, and haven't really found anything I trust. Admittedly I've not made it through this entire thread, but have read a decent bit of parts 1, 2, and 3. I've seen 125 deg C referenced, as well as 150.

Any help with temp is appreciated

Will you UC go above 150 if left on for a hour or more? Just wondering if you really need the PID.

 

[Snipe]

Will you UC go above 150 if left on for a hour or more? Just wondering if you really need the PID.

Not sure. It gets PRETTY hot, but I was operating under the assumption that 125 was too hot. I also feel like bite diminishes with longer heat steeping.

 

[Yemrot]

So after reading up a bit on the forums here, I decided to go out and get an ultrasonic cleaner to speed my steeping. Although i did not read through all 2000 pages on this topic, I got the jist of how it works. I found a UC that had heat, and can run 1 hour cycles if desired. So I opened it up, popped the tops off of some new vapemail and put them in and turned it on. BIG MISTAKE!! After running several cycles I noticed the glass lid had quite a bit of condensation stuck to the underside. I opened it up to check on my juice and to my dismay they condensate had been dripping into my bottles!!! I ruined about $90 of untouched untried juice. The UC DOES work for quick steeping I would just like to warn people to leave the caps ON. If you do feel it necessary to let it breathe, leave the drip top on the bottle so the water cant find its way in there.

If anyone knows a way to save my juice please let me know. It still vapes but it roaches my throat and lacks flavor. my 100%vg now looks like 100%pg

 

[Moodyfisherman]

first mistake is not reading enough pages to understand HOW to UC....sorry but don't cry about your loss if you do not know what your up against.

Danny45 explained how to use the UC in this and the other 2 threads and in his blogs, and it is valuable info....

 

[Blueser]

I made up 3 15ml bottles of juice (exact recipe, All Inawera S'Camel, Coconut, Vanilla) all three were 50/50 pg/vg, 12mg. Put one in my UC 4 hrs, One in CP for 4 hrs and one I left out. The difference in taste of the one left out was so minimal in comparison as to warrant the effort.

I use to UC/CP all my mixes. I don't know if it's just certain crappy brands of flavor, nic or the entire combination, but since I now use only FlavourArt, Inawera almost exclusively and VT nic, I mix it, shake it and vape it. I keep hearing folks talk about how tobaccos take so long to blend, I don't see it myself. I've tried all the speed steeping rituals, natural ageing and green vaping right out of a mix. I recently mixed S'Camel, L S D, Chocolate Cream and Vanilla, put one in UC, vaped one fresh...I could not detect any difference to speak of....it's h e l l having such discerning taste...

 

[Yemrot]

first mistake is not reading enough pages to understand HOW to UC....sorry but don't cry about your loss if you do not know what your up against.

Danny45 explained how to use the UC in this and the other 2 threads and in his blogs, and it is valuable info....

Take it how you will, but I think posting my experience may help other not make the same mistake.

 

[SlickWilly]

So after reading up a bit on the forums here, I decided to go out and get an ultrasonic cleaner to speed my steeping. Although i did not read through all 2000 pages on this topic, I got the jist of how it works. I found a UC that had heat, and can run 1 hour cycles if desired. So I opened it up, popped the tops off of some new vapemail and put them in and turned it on. BIG MISTAKE!! After running several cycles I noticed the glass lid had quite a bit of condensation stuck to the underside. I opened it up to check on my juice and to my dismay they condensate had been dripping into my bottles!!! I ruined about $90 of untouched untried juice. The UC DOES work for quick steeping I would just like to warn people to leave the caps ON. If you do feel it necessary to let it breathe, leave the drip top on the bottle so the water cant find its way in there.

If anyone knows a way to save my juice please let me know. It still vapes but it roaches my throat and lacks flavor. my 100%vg now looks like 100%pg

Just a thought, I have no idea if it would work but maybe put sand in a crock pot, insert the bottles in the sand and heat them gently. Maybe it would evaporate the water from the juice without killing it??? Might be worth a try if they are already ruined.

 

[buffaloguy]

I made up 3 15ml bottles of juice (exact recipe, All Inawera S'Camel, Coconut, Vanilla) all three were 50/50 pg/vg, 12mg. Put one in my UC 4 hrs, One in CP for 4 hrs and one I left out. The difference in taste of the one left out was so minimal in comparison as to warrant the effort.

I use to UC/CP all my mixes. I don't know if it's just certain crappy brands of flavor, nic or the entire combination, but since I now use only FlavourArt, Inawera almost exclusively and VT nic, I mix it, shake it and vape it. I keep hearing folks talk about how tobaccos take so long to blend, I don't see it myself. I've tried all the speed steeping rituals, natural ageing and green vaping right out of a mix. I recently mixed S'Camel, L S D, Chocolate Cream and Vanilla, put one in UC, vaped one fresh...I could not detect any difference to speak of....it's h e l l having such discerning taste...

I dont know what to say Blueser. As long as you are happy with what you are vaping thats all that matters. I havent made a tobacco vape fresh yet that is not substancially better with a crock pot steep at 150 for 4 hours. I guess you and I differ on this. Either way, Im just glad we arent smoking cigs.

 

[disco180]

So after reading up a bit on the forums here, I decided to go out and get an ultrasonic cleaner to speed my steeping. Although i did not read through all 2000 pages on this topic, I got the jist of how it works. I found a UC that had heat, and can run 1 hour cycles if desired. So I opened it up, popped the tops off of some new vapemail and put them in and turned it on. BIG MISTAKE!! After running several cycles I noticed the glass lid had quite a bit of condensation stuck to the underside. I opened it up to check on my juice and to my dismay they condensate had been dripping into my bottles!!! I ruined about $90 of untouched untried juice. The UC DOES work for quick steeping I would just like to warn people to leave the caps ON. If you do feel it necessary to let it breathe, leave the drip top on the bottle so the water cant find its way in there.

If anyone knows a way to save my juice please let me know. It still vapes but it roaches my throat and lacks flavor. my 100%vg now looks like 100%pg

This would be the same as mixing..pg,vg,water and flavor..if u put distilled water in the UC it should be ok...on the other hand I don't how much lead is in your tap water in Wisconsin

 

[Heabob]

So after reading up a bit on the forums here, I decided to go out and get an ultrasonic cleaner to speed my steeping. Although i did not read through all 2000 pages on this topic, I got the jist of how it works. I found a UC that had heat, and can run 1 hour cycles if desired. So I opened it up, popped the tops off of some new vapemail and put them in and turned it on. BIG MISTAKE!! After running several cycles I noticed the glass lid had quite a bit of condensation stuck to the underside. I opened it up to check on my juice and to my dismay they condensate had been dripping into my bottles!!! I ruined about $90 of untouched untried juice. The UC DOES work for quick steeping I would just like to warn people to leave the caps ON. If you do feel it necessary to let it breathe, leave the drip top on the bottle so the water cant find its way in there.

If anyone knows a way to save my juice please let me know. It still vapes but it roaches my throat and lacks flavor. my 100%vg now looks like 100%pg

A lot of people dilute their VG with DW anyway (10-30%).
Even if tap water was used the condensate formed on the underside of the lid is basically distilled water.

Just an idea:
You can evaporate some of the water if you pour a bottle into a wider container, low heat, and gentle stirring.
Needs large surface area of exposed liquid to work best, and no open flames.
Keep under 150 F.
I read that VG will even suck moisture out of the air so...

 

[disco180]

All in all at the end of the day just vape it (might be better), if its bad toss it. The amount of time and effort will more then likely make it worst. Write if off as a lesson learned