Steve - Bridgeless atomizers?

[Necrophagist]

I am becoming very annoyed with the bridge on the atomizer. I dont use carts, so all it does is get in the way of dropping liquid directly onto the atomizer. Even when dropped directly onto the middle of the bridge, it usually just runs down the sides and ends up pooling on the sides. This has become quite the nuisance as I feel I am wasting juice because of it. I usually have to drip 4-5 drops to even get a good amount of drags before I have to drip again.

Anyway, I was wondering if there was any possibility of you requesting specially made atomizers from your manufacturer in China (similar to how you had the 3-hole atomizers made) that have no bridges. I feel this would be a much better solution for dripping and would lead to an overall better vaping experience.

Thoughts? Feedback?

 

[breakfastchef]

The bridge is an integral part of the atomizer design. The mesh material surrounding the bridge wicks e-liquid from the cart and continues to wick into the mesh material surrounding the atomizer. When you take a draw, liquid in the mesh surrounding the atomizer is drawn to the heating coil. The bridge also protects the heating coil from damage.

If you have liquid pooling anywhere in the atomizer, you are over dripping. I know from personal experience. I tend to drip two to three drops, dependng on device, down the side of the barrel. I do not think it is important to hit the bridge at all. Antoher problem with overdripping is that unused liquid leaks out the hole of the center conductor of the atomizer connection and through the atomizer air holes. Can be messy.

 

[Fusoya]

Wait... I thought we were supposed to drip directly onto the bridge? I'm getting confused now. Hrmm.. is it the little plate beneath the bridge where we want the liquid then?

Brandon

 

[breakfastchef]

Wait... I thought we were supposed to drip directly onto the bridge? I'm getting confused now. Hrmm.. is it the little plate beneath the bridge where we want the liquid then?

Brandon

There is absolutely no problem dripping onto the bridge, but if a drop or two misses, it falls directly into the tiny ceramic cup in which the heating coil sits. One drop can fill the cup and you get a flooded atomizer. I just find flooding less likely to drip down the inside of the atomizer barrel, though it will happen. It is just the nature of dripping.

Check this link for a photo and brief explanation of the atomizer.

 

[ruuku]

Wait... I thought we were supposed to drip directly onto the bridge? I'm getting confused now. Hrmm.. is it the little plate beneath the bridge where we want the liquid then?

Brandon

Not really a plate, more or less a ceramic cup. This cup holds the atomizer coil as well as the wicking material for the coil (nichrome wire is wrapped around this wicking material which is the "heart" of the atomizer). I believe that where you drip determines how fast liquid will be absorbed into the cup. If you use a few drops onto the outside wall of the atomizer, then there is less probability that you will flood the atomizer, as the drop has to travel along the wall of the atomzier to reach the coil, rather than being absorbed directly by the wicking bridge. I agree with Bchef that if you're pooling in the atomizer then you're adding too much liquid. Remember that the atomizer coil wick can only absorb so much liquid at a time, and any more than the maximum capacity, and the liquid will pool in your atomizer, causing flooding. I myself tend to drip directly (or as close to possiable) onto the atomizer bridge. Usually i will vape this in a single session (like an analog) then let the PV rest. When I'm ready to vape again I'll add another 3 drops. Another important reason for the wicking bridge is to protect the atomizer coil itself. If vaped dry, the coil heats up very quickly, and adding liquid to the coil immeadieatly after will cool the coil very quickly as well, and may possiably lead to the distruction of the coil.

Another thing that i was thinking about recently was the viscosity of the liquid and how this may effect preformance, which may be the reason why Cash's liquid works so well in the prodigy (or any other high voltage device). The last time i had any PS liquid, i remember it to be a little thicker than some liquid, and may answer why it would preform better in a high voltage/high liquid consumption device. Higher viscosity liquid will travel at a much slower speed down into the atomizer itself, which translates into less chance of flooding than with a lighter viscosity liquid, as one is more likely to vape any excess before it has a chance to flood.

 

[breakfastchef]

Another thing that i was thinking about recently was the viscosity of the liquid...

Very good point; one I often overlook.

 

[Fusoya]

Just a tip I've found...

When I would drip and then leave the Prodigy standing atomizer facing up towards the ceiling I would often have to remove it and wipe the excess off the adapter. Now I will leave it on it's side (in a USB hard drive carrying case I bought) and I do not have this problem.

I'm still looking for something to clean the slit between the adapter wall and the connector. A Q-tip won't fit between it even when I rip off the excess cotton.

Brandon

 

[jova3]

i take the pliers on my multi-tool and smash a q-tip flat and use it for cleaning.

 

[Enfield]

i take the pliers on my multi-tool and smash a q-tip flat and use it for cleaning.

Or a small piece of paper towel wrapped loosely around something thin, like the tip of forceps or an unfolded paper-clip.

 

[Fusoya]

Cool ideas! I'll try them later on as my 801 adapter is getting FUNKY in that crevice...

Brandon

 

[Enfield]

This is fascinating stuff.

I always thought that hitting the bridge/mesh was the goal when it came to dripping.

As long as we're on the subject...which 801 atty do you Prodigy users prefer for dripping?
Does it make any difference? Instinct tells me that the low-bridged attys would be better for soaking up the drippage, but this thread has challenged all of that.

BTW, since I started dripping/tailpiping my 801 PD, I broke out my stash of Walrus's yummy creations. Today I'm digging into his strawberry cheesecake. It must be good since I can't put it down. The VG component is making itself felt with humongous clouds of vapor.

 

[Kit]

Another important reason for the wicking bridge is to protect the atomizer coil itself. If vaped dry, the coil heats up very quickly, and adding liquid to the coil immeadieatly after will cool the coil very quickly as well, and may possiably lead to the distruction of the coil.
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This is true also the bridge has a piece of metal to support the wire wool bridge from collapse in the case of the cart being pushed to hard on to the bridge, stopping the bridge from collapsing and not resulting in you smoking the wire wool !

As the guys said the best place to drip is down the side of the atomizer wall not the bridge.
if you look at it like this imagine the bridge of wire wool is a handle to a wire basket if you drip on the bridge (the basket handle) it takes longer to get in to the basket and in too the cup.
i if you drip down the side of the basket it reaches the cup quicker!
this is vital if your smoking 5V heavey use the cart cant keep up with the demand to supply juice needed to keep the wick wet.

The ceramic cup sits in the wire wool basket so when you draw air in through atomizers air hole all the juice collected in the basket is sucked out of the fine wire wool through the tiny holes in the cup and on to the coil.

Its hard to believe the the silver wire wool holds juice like a reservoir when looking with the human eye, and if you touch it feels pretty solid, but under a microscope you can see the wire wool in a different light, and its ultra fine and interwinded.the only way i could descripe is it looks like a silver sponge, this is the reservoir for the juice and the veins of the atomizer.

When looking down at the atomizer when assembled the wire bridge can be seen but the rest of the basket is hidden under the cup you can just see the the edge of the wool though running around the cup.

hope this make sense.

kit

 

[CaSHMeRe]

kit ... your synopsis, is true to a certain extent, but you don't account for the hole directly in the bottom-middle of the ceramic pot air flows through. I only recommend dripping via the Steel Wool so it allows time to transfer down to the pot. You drip down the side and fill up the pot, a majority of liquid is lost via that tiny breathing port hole and down and out of the atomizer...

 

[Kit]

kit ... your synopsis, is true to a certain extent, but you don't account for the hole directly in the bottom-middle of the ceramic pot air flows through. I only recommend dripping via the Steel Wool so it allows time to transfer down to the pot. You drip down the side and fill up the pot, a majority of liquid is lost via that tiny breathing port hole and down and out of the atomizer...

Hiya cashy!
Congrats is in order, the prodigy is a credit to you well done mate
its now my favorite device !
Your synopsis is correct too cash but liquid can be lost the bridge method as well.
Both methods work wel but need to be done correctly to work well.
i find the wall method has better results, because you dont have to aim each time, when you drip down the side wall if you but the correct amount in it wont flood and wont be lost down the draw hole, it stays in the basket.its a learning curve as you know,there should be know juice leaking or flooding the atty if dripped correctly ,and if vaped shortly after.
the best way to do this is to drip on each side of the atty walls of the bridge, this way the basket is not over filled and none is lost down the tiny draw hole in the bottom of the cup.

The problem wiith dripping 3 drop's directly on the bridge is the juice can not be absorbed quickly enough into the ultra fine wire wool. have a look at one of your old atty's, remove it out of the tube and hold the basket in your fingers and drip 3 drops on to the bridge at the same height and speed as in your prodigy video, you will see the juice dripping off the sides of the bridge and down into the cup, and through the air hole.
the best way to drip on the bridge is to not drip from any distance, and not to drip to fast! but to leave a few seconds with each drip, giving time for the juice to be absorbed and prevent juice spilling over the side, if you drip the bottle nib from about half a cenitmeter away from the bridge for best results, because at this distance the juice doesnt end up spilling of the bridge sides.



kit

 

[CaSHMeRe]

Hiya cashy!
Congrats is in order, the prodigy is a credit to you well done mate
its now my favorite device !
Your synopsis is correct too cash but liquid can be lost the bridge method as well.
Both methods work wel but need to be done correctly to work well.
i find the wall method has better results, because you dont have to aim each time, when you drip down the side wall if you but the correct amount in it wont flood and wont be lost down the draw hole, it stays in the basket.its a learning curve as you know,there should be know juice leaking or flooding the atty if dripped correctly ,and if vaped shortly after.
the best way to do this is to drip on each side of the atty walls of the bridge, this way the basket is not over filled and none is lost down the tiny draw hole in the bottom of the cup.
A: How soon you forget ... I am a great aimer ... I practice MULTIPLE times a day, sometimes for up to a minute and it doesn't involve an atomizer LOL. Really though, I don't aim ... I look for the center, drop a few drops ... Done.

The problem wiith dripping 3 drop's directly on the bridge is the juice can not be absorbed quickly enough into the ultra fine wire wool. have a look at one of your old atty's, remove it out of the tube and hold the basket in your fingers and drip 3 drops on to the bridge at the same height and speed as in your prodigy video, you will see the juice dripping off the sides of the bridge and down into the cup, and through the air hole.
the best way to drip on the bridge is to not drip from any distance, and not to drip to fast! but to leave a few seconds with each drip, giving time for the juice to be absorbed and prevent juice spilling over the side, if you drip the bottle nib from about half a cenitmeter away from the bridge for best results, because at this distance the juice doesnt end up spilling of the bridge sides.

kit

If it Spills off the bride and in to the pot anyways ... Is that just like dripping down the side (your idea)

Perhaps I like the bridge technique for the simple fact I don't try and cram 4-5 draws in within a minutes time. I can see how your idea would be good for quick inhales after dripping ... For me, I prefer to sulk in the vapor with each hit. I give 10-15 seconds in between hits, and therefore really find no need for quick hits to the atty's because the liquid goes down and out ...

Apples to apples I guess ... The liquid eventually finds its resting spot ... Whether dripped via the wall or wire mesh, it gets there ... LOL

Appreciate the kind words kit, happy to see its working out well for you! Have a great weekend and say hi to Simon for me!

-Steve

 

[Kit]

If it Spills off the bride and in to the pot anyways ... Is that just like dripping down the side (your idea)

Perhaps I like the bridge technique for the simple fact I don't try and cram 4-5 draws in within a minutes time. I can see how your idea would be good for quick inhales after dripping ... For me, I prefer to sulk in the vapor with each hit. I give 10-15 seconds in between hits, and therefore really find no need for quick hits to the atty's because the liquid goes down and out ...

Apples to apples I guess ... The liquid eventually finds its resting spot ... Whether dripped via the wall or wire mesh, it gets there ... LOL

Appreciate the kind words kit, happy to see its working out well for you! Have a great weekend and say hi to Simon for me!

-Steve

If it Spills off the bride and in to the pot anyways ... Is that just like dripping down the side (your idea)

No because the juice doesnt over spill into the cup air hole when dripping down the side the juice spreads and covers the basket more evenly, its then held in the basket wire wool reservoir channels and willl stay there, until you draw!
when you draw air, its sucks the juice out through the basket wire wool channels and then through the cup holes in tiny particles and on to the coil, it will only drip down the air way if the basket is over filled.

Appreciate the kind words kit, happy to see its working out well for you! Have a great weekend and say hi to Simon for me!

will do mate have a good one by the way loved the back tattoo awesome

kit