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I smoked for 42 years. I did cut back in a week to 10 a day, after a month I went to just a couple a day and did that for two months. Then I bought a MVP2 and started using that. Next thing I knew I went without a smoke for three days. Not wanting to start my count of not smoking over I just decided top quit. I have been smoke free for over a year now. Quitting smoking after that long doesn't always happen over night. Harping on him will not help either. Sit with your Dad and vape with him. Let him try new juices of yours and new equipment of yours. Make it a bonding moment. Good luck to you both
The wanting a real smoke comes and goes, but never does truly go away. You have to really have you mind set that no matter the urge your mind can over power the urge to smoke. Talk to people who quit, even twenty years down the road the urge for a smoke can kick in. You just have to remember why you quit in the first place. I smoked 42 years, I figure I will have them moments likely till I die. Just have to resist and remember why I quit. CHEERS!
The wanting a real smoke comes and goes, but never does truly go away. You have to really have you mind set that no matter the urge your mind can over power the urge to smoke. Talk to people who quit, even twenty years down the road the urge for a smoke can kick in. You just have to remember why you quit in the first place. I smoked 42 years, I figure I will have them moments likely till I die. Just have to resist and remember why I quit. CHEERS!
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Here is a thread that I didn't know if you knew about that has some really good deals. Maybe a new flavor would do the trick. On sale, makes it even better.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/pay-forward-pif/418767-deals-steals-254.html
Wayne congratulation to you and your father on his decision to stop smoking, December 10, 2013 I had my second heart attack and received two more stents. So I decided to quit smoking well that didn’t go to well at first so my wife talked me into trying vaping and to call my oldest son who had been vaping for five years. After being on vaping for about two weeks I decided to give the old analogs a try they were nasty. Since then I never looked back again and now I am coming up on my one year anniversary of non smoking. Just so you know I smoked for 48 years at 1-3 PAD. My whole family was against it at first then they realized I was not smoking and the support from them has been outstanding. Now they don’t ask me if I have had a cigarette instead, they tell me how proud of me for going so long without a smoke. I am sure the wife keeps them informed of my not smoking. What I found out was that when I started craving a smoke was to have a strong high nicotine tank set up and switch over to it until the craving stopped. Your dad knows what time of day it usually hits probably first thing in the morning and right after he eats dinner or lunch. Strong support and searching for the right flavors I also liked the black Cherrie and strawberry mixed. I also started DIYing my own juices so I could experiment with different blends and flavors. Again congrats and good luck to you and your dad.
He may be very sensitive to PG - in some "100% VG" juices. the flavor is still mixed in PG.
It could be the nicotine level is a bit higher than he needs too.
Synthetic tobacco also has a peppery taste. I would suggest buying him some Heather's heavenly Vapes "Gaia" which is excellent and popular for those who are still smoking or crave a (real) tobacco or what we call "natural extract tobaccos". It's also really 100% VG including the initial flavor blending. Just a small bottle so you're not out much money.
You could also check out Want2Vape who have some very authentic tobaccos too - though I'm not sure if they're 100% VG available,
It could be the nicotine level is a bit higher than he needs too.
Synthetic tobacco also has a peppery taste. I would suggest buying him some Heather's heavenly Vapes "Gaia" which is excellent and popular for those who are still smoking or crave a (real) tobacco or what we call "natural extract tobaccos". It's also really 100% VG including the initial flavor blending. Just a small bottle so you're not out much money.
You could also check out Want2Vape who have some very authentic tobaccos too - though I'm not sure if they're 100% VG available,
Firstly, congrats! The moving of a family member from smoking to vaping is a huge thing, I know because I have been able to do it 3 times. You have tons of great advice so far but I will add my .02
From my experience 2 things affect the likelyhood that some one will fail or succeed with vaping, juice and equipment.
My wife is the prime example, I started her on a kanger evod starter kit with a tobacco flavored juice called "tobacco blend". She hated the flavor and didn't get very good results from the evod so she barely used it, she would still smoke and try to vape but just couldn't do it. After a week or two of this I finally convinced her to go to the local store with me and sample the juice, she found one she liked and was then more willing to vape, then I spend $8 for a dual coil aspire tank and then she was set, this was what she needed to get off the cigarettes, a good tank and juice she likes. We ended up going with 18mg juice per the recommendation of the store owner( I also use 18) Once she had the good set up she decided that she would quit smoking completely once she ran out of cigarettes, being that she was now vaping more than smoking it took her about 2-3 weeks to get through the 3 or 4 packs she had and then she stopped. Since then I have taken her back to the store and she picked out her own set up for the first time and she got an ego twist vv battery and a kanger pro tank 3, she loves it. I was also able to acquire her an RDA with a mech mod which she uses when the cravings are really bad. I will also add that her father whom I was also able to convince to try vaping has a similar story but he spent the money up front and got a nautilus aspire tank with a vv battery and he was happy but he had been smoking so long that he has to use 24mg juice to satisfy but he has been an ex-smoker for about a month now.
The moral here is you get what you pay for and on the set up you should not skimp. Make sure you have at least a variable voltage device and as far as atomizers I would assume that neither he nor you are looking to build coils so I would say go with something in the high end, like an aspire nautilus, this device allows you to adjust your airflow which can make it hit harder when you want or if it's too much you can back it off, this paired with a variable voltage battery and you have the ability to really tailor it to what you want at the time.
The final thing is juice, judging by the fact that you said they have "medium" and "high" tells me you are probably buying cheap juice (though I may be wrong) most of your better juice brands rate the strength in numbers, not levels.. In other words you can get 6mg,12mg,24mg, etc.. The number represents the mg per ml of the juice, most quitting smokers will need 18mg, but some may need 24mg, and others may be ok with 12 or 6, it really depends on the person. The best advice here is to buy a good atomizer and fill it with 18mg, then use the one he has now as a spare and fill it with 24mg, when the cravings are bad tell him to switch to the 24 then once it calms down go back to the 18. I personally use ECBlend Flavors | E-Liquid | Personal Vaporizers, they have an awesome selection and a great price. The right flavor of juice can make ALL the difference so I HIGHLY recommend finding a local vape store where you can go and sample as many flavors as you want, as I said above this is what really turned the corner for my wife. In addition at a local store you can touch, feel, hold all of the cool thingy's, having a new set up especially one that he picks out himself can also be a major motivator in switching over, sounds strange I know but it's true..
Either way every cigarette that he does not smoke is a win, a big one. The cravings will probably not ever go away but they will certainly become so manageable that he doesn't even worry about it. One other thing that I and my wife found is that the longer you vape the worse cigs get, after a few weeks of vaping a cig is so nasty and makes you feel so bad that you just don't want one, when this happens you are there after a few nasty cigs you'll finally get the idea and just put them down, I have seen it 4 times in person now! Coughing when quitting is completely normal, smoking leaves all kinds of goop in your lungs and by continuing to smoke you just keep putting more in there, once you stop the lungs have a chance to clean themselves, and they will! He will cough like crazy and eventually will cough up a black nasty bunch of junk, this is inspiring because that stuff is no longer in there and at this point you realize just how much good you are really doing for yourself!
One final thing, when it comes to ratio of juice, typically I have found that most people who use 100 vg either drip it or have a terrible reaction to pg, but I think the average person uses either 50/50 or 60pg/40vg, I know that varies widely among people but that's the range most juices are sold at. With the website that I posted above you can specify your ratio, I would recommend once you find a flavor that works order a few bottles in a few different mix ratios and nic levels. There is a lot of experimenting in the beginning but once you get it right, it's great. I say all of this because I have not had the best experience with 100% vg in a tank style system, it is extremely thick and will clog up coils in a hurry and it also does not burn as quickly as 50/50 so you don't get anywhere near the performance you need from it. I think using a better juice will make a big difference on his ability to handle PG. The last word of advice, don't buy juice from the local truck stop/wal-mart. Always buy it from a vape store or an online retailer, this will insure you're getting the best ingredients and quality, that alone is worth the few extra dollars!
Best of luck, and remember this is chess, not checkers!
From my experience 2 things affect the likelyhood that some one will fail or succeed with vaping, juice and equipment.
My wife is the prime example, I started her on a kanger evod starter kit with a tobacco flavored juice called "tobacco blend". She hated the flavor and didn't get very good results from the evod so she barely used it, she would still smoke and try to vape but just couldn't do it. After a week or two of this I finally convinced her to go to the local store with me and sample the juice, she found one she liked and was then more willing to vape, then I spend $8 for a dual coil aspire tank and then she was set, this was what she needed to get off the cigarettes, a good tank and juice she likes. We ended up going with 18mg juice per the recommendation of the store owner( I also use 18) Once she had the good set up she decided that she would quit smoking completely once she ran out of cigarettes, being that she was now vaping more than smoking it took her about 2-3 weeks to get through the 3 or 4 packs she had and then she stopped. Since then I have taken her back to the store and she picked out her own set up for the first time and she got an ego twist vv battery and a kanger pro tank 3, she loves it. I was also able to acquire her an RDA with a mech mod which she uses when the cravings are really bad. I will also add that her father whom I was also able to convince to try vaping has a similar story but he spent the money up front and got a nautilus aspire tank with a vv battery and he was happy but he had been smoking so long that he has to use 24mg juice to satisfy but he has been an ex-smoker for about a month now.
The moral here is you get what you pay for and on the set up you should not skimp. Make sure you have at least a variable voltage device and as far as atomizers I would assume that neither he nor you are looking to build coils so I would say go with something in the high end, like an aspire nautilus, this device allows you to adjust your airflow which can make it hit harder when you want or if it's too much you can back it off, this paired with a variable voltage battery and you have the ability to really tailor it to what you want at the time.
The final thing is juice, judging by the fact that you said they have "medium" and "high" tells me you are probably buying cheap juice (though I may be wrong) most of your better juice brands rate the strength in numbers, not levels.. In other words you can get 6mg,12mg,24mg, etc.. The number represents the mg per ml of the juice, most quitting smokers will need 18mg, but some may need 24mg, and others may be ok with 12 or 6, it really depends on the person. The best advice here is to buy a good atomizer and fill it with 18mg, then use the one he has now as a spare and fill it with 24mg, when the cravings are bad tell him to switch to the 24 then once it calms down go back to the 18. I personally use ECBlend Flavors | E-Liquid | Personal Vaporizers, they have an awesome selection and a great price. The right flavor of juice can make ALL the difference so I HIGHLY recommend finding a local vape store where you can go and sample as many flavors as you want, as I said above this is what really turned the corner for my wife. In addition at a local store you can touch, feel, hold all of the cool thingy's, having a new set up especially one that he picks out himself can also be a major motivator in switching over, sounds strange I know but it's true..
Either way every cigarette that he does not smoke is a win, a big one. The cravings will probably not ever go away but they will certainly become so manageable that he doesn't even worry about it. One other thing that I and my wife found is that the longer you vape the worse cigs get, after a few weeks of vaping a cig is so nasty and makes you feel so bad that you just don't want one, when this happens you are there after a few nasty cigs you'll finally get the idea and just put them down, I have seen it 4 times in person now! Coughing when quitting is completely normal, smoking leaves all kinds of goop in your lungs and by continuing to smoke you just keep putting more in there, once you stop the lungs have a chance to clean themselves, and they will! He will cough like crazy and eventually will cough up a black nasty bunch of junk, this is inspiring because that stuff is no longer in there and at this point you realize just how much good you are really doing for yourself!
One final thing, when it comes to ratio of juice, typically I have found that most people who use 100 vg either drip it or have a terrible reaction to pg, but I think the average person uses either 50/50 or 60pg/40vg, I know that varies widely among people but that's the range most juices are sold at. With the website that I posted above you can specify your ratio, I would recommend once you find a flavor that works order a few bottles in a few different mix ratios and nic levels. There is a lot of experimenting in the beginning but once you get it right, it's great. I say all of this because I have not had the best experience with 100% vg in a tank style system, it is extremely thick and will clog up coils in a hurry and it also does not burn as quickly as 50/50 so you don't get anywhere near the performance you need from it. I think using a better juice will make a big difference on his ability to handle PG. The last word of advice, don't buy juice from the local truck stop/wal-mart. Always buy it from a vape store or an online retailer, this will insure you're getting the best ingredients and quality, that alone is worth the few extra dollars!
Best of luck, and remember this is chess, not checkers!
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Chiliphil1 gave you some good info. And being patient with him is key. If you could get him interested in getting on here and doing some reading that would really help. I think that is what made me so committed to stick with it.
Firstly change happens when WE as the individual wants it.
he is vaping..every ciggie not smoked is good.
he's smoked a long time, and it's just been a month..my smoker's cough cleared up for the most part around the forth month...give it time.
and keys to success, absolutely a vape you enjoy..both in vapor and taste. I had to love love it..yah know? we ALWAYS want a ciggie..it's just we're not going to do it.
good for you for helping dad..or helping dad help himself.
he is vaping..every ciggie not smoked is good.
he's smoked a long time, and it's just been a month..my smoker's cough cleared up for the most part around the forth month...give it time.
and keys to success, absolutely a vape you enjoy..both in vapor and taste. I had to love love it..yah know? we ALWAYS want a ciggie..it's just we're not going to do it.
good for you for helping dad..or helping dad help himself.
I have had nothing but troubles trying to get this vaping thing going LOL. I am now a dual user still trying to get the right nic,juice,etc. . .I try to pat myself on the back if I can vape half time. I smoked only - for 42+ years got down to less than 10 cigs a day so half time means usually less than 5. I am not perfect but I am ok with where I am. My goal is to completely give up the cigs and I do know from quitting over 8 times before to take it slow - otherwise it will not stick. I figure we will all get where we want to be if we just do it at our own speed - good luck to your Dad and remember,
and remember,
I have had nothing but troubles trying to get this vaping thing going LOL. I am now a dual user still trying to get the right nic,juice,etc. . .I try to pat myself on the back if I can vape half time. I smoked only - for 42+ years got down to less than 10 cigs a day so half time means usually less than 5. I am not perfect but I am ok with where I am. My goal is to completely give up the cigs and I do know from quitting over 8 times before to take it slow - otherwise it will not stick. I figure we will all get where we want to be if we just do it at our own speed - good luck to your Dad
Wahooooooooo Dixie!! Just wanted to give some encouragement! It's so hard to kick the stinkies, especially after 42 yrs, and you're doing great!
Some may never get past the wanting a cig, but many of us do end up with that Aha moment where we know we've turned the corner and will never go back as long as we have the vape stuff that we want and need. Every now and then I get nostalgic for one, or just a momentary thought that I would like a cig. I might be nuts, but once in awhile the scent of a cig when it's first lit smells sooooooooooo good to me. Since I live with 2 smokers, that does happen occasionally but it passes quickly.
Coughing and hacking are very normal when getting off of the smokes. It actually increases as your lungs and cillia heal. My dad was a 50 year smoker and was hacking up smurfs up to a year after he quit.
Also, the cravings never really subside, which is why I keep my rig with me 24/7.
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Also, the cravings never really subside, which is why I keep my rig with me 24/7.
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I got my dad coffee, black cherry and cigarette flavor ejuice... at 1st he was able to taste the difference.. now when I ask what he is vaping he says they all taste the same... is that normal? I usually have to figure it out by smelling the vape..
Could be since he's still smoking, takes a while for taste buds to get better. I've been vaping for about a year and was a duel user until about 2 months ago. It has been a progression for me, with getting better equipment and finding a juice that I really like. Once I found a very satisfying vape I was able to stop smoking. Must admit I did have a relapse this week and bought a pack. I was having issues with my setup and caved. But the rewards of vaping are so much better. I'll give them up again. Really glad he is making the effort tho, keep helpin him and kuddos to you as well! But yea, it takes a while for many of us to finally stop smoking.
Oh yea, he probably has vaper tounge, were you don't taste the juice. It kinda comes and goes starting out. Tell him that's normal and should go away soon.
Oh yea, he probably has vaper tounge, were you don't taste the juice. It kinda comes and goes starting out. Tell him that's normal and should go away soon.
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Could also be that he has vaper's tongue at the moment. Good time to use up juice that he doesn't like. Let me see if I can find a decent thread on that.
ETA Here's an article that talks about it. http://www.ecigarettedirect.co.uk/ashtray-blog/2014/03/vapers-tongue.html Somebody recently swore that two shots of hard liquor will cure it too, just in case your dad wants to try that.
Here's another thread of what can happen to you when you do quit smoking. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...hen-quitting-tobacco-changing-ecigarette.html Cigarettes really mess you up and most of us have gone through a number of these symptoms. The good part is, they don't last long. Congratulations on you and your father for hanging in there.
ETA Here's an article that talks about it. http://www.ecigarettedirect.co.uk/ashtray-blog/2014/03/vapers-tongue.html Somebody recently swore that two shots of hard liquor will cure it too, just in case your dad wants to try that.
Here's another thread of what can happen to you when you do quit smoking. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...hen-quitting-tobacco-changing-ecigarette.html Cigarettes really mess you up and most of us have gone through a number of these symptoms. The good part is, they don't last long. Congratulations on you and your father for hanging in there.
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It took me a couple of months to completely switch from smoking to vaping. I cut down, a lot, on the cigs right away, and I really wanted to quit, but it did take some time. Now, I am not tempted to smoke at all. Not even a little bit.
There is a learning curve, and it's never the same as smoking. For me, I needed to learn how to vape (it's different from how you sucked the smoke in) and I needed a higher nic level than I started with. (Started with 24, but I couldn't get off the cigs until I got some 30mg juice.) I think finding the right juice, with a flavor he likes and the right nic level, is a very large part of the battle.
I think it's OK for him to do both. I think most people that continue to vape for a long period of time gradually quit smoking in favor of vaping. What you want to avoid is if he quits vaping and just goes back to smoking all the time.
But bottom line, he has to be the one to do it. You can't make him stop. If he doesn't want to quit, there isn't really anything you can do.
Good luck to you and to him.
There is a learning curve, and it's never the same as smoking. For me, I needed to learn how to vape (it's different from how you sucked the smoke in) and I needed a higher nic level than I started with. (Started with 24, but I couldn't get off the cigs until I got some 30mg juice.) I think finding the right juice, with a flavor he likes and the right nic level, is a very large part of the battle.
I think it's OK for him to do both. I think most people that continue to vape for a long period of time gradually quit smoking in favor of vaping. What you want to avoid is if he quits vaping and just goes back to smoking all the time.
But bottom line, he has to be the one to do it. You can't make him stop. If he doesn't want to quit, there isn't really anything you can do.
Good luck to you and to him.
Great article, I actually used snus to quit smoking, vaping was just to fill in when I couldn't use snus, up until I got a quality set up that is.
Many times when everything tastes the same, or it all tastes bad suddenly, like they said, it's vaper's tongue. The VG is a bit thicker and for some it coats their tongue and nasal passages a bit if they exhale through their nose. A very pepperminty type flavor will usually cut through that and get you back on track. Ice Ice from Vapedudes.com is a very good one for this. They're in Dallas and a good juice company.
Hang in there Baldr, you'll get back on track. Nothing makes for a trip up faster than issues with vape gear.
Hang in there Baldr, you'll get back on track. Nothing makes for a trip up faster than issues with vape gear.
20% success rate?can you post where you found this info,very interesting.
Ive heard that some smokers lungs are so damaged they cant vape,too much coughing from the damage.Only way is tobacco because the lungs are ''conditioned '' to it.I hooked us a bus driver one time and he COULD NOT vape.He put away 2 pks/day.
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