Stock up on juice or hardware?

[Koman]

Heres a novel idea......Convert Obama

Ha ha! That's crazy man!

 

[Switched]

I have been going for denial that i might have to deal with this so soon after getting into PV's. You guys are messing with my denial really bad,, please don't kill my buzz

The sooner you come to grasp with reality, the better off you R going to be IMHO, and prepare.

 

[Switched]

FDA Blocked From Stopping E-Cigarette Shipments - ABC News

Ya need tp update yourself, that is very very very old news. That order was reversed on 3/31

 

[Israfil]

Reality is overrated, I have a pet unicorn that pisses RY4....

Maybe if they get banned everywhere we can march on the capitol with a big plume of vapor over us!

 

[cliff5550]

I have a big back yard. Can I borrow your unicorn?

 

[Neon]

Theres always the Iolite, I Inhale, Vapir Oxygen, Ect........no worries about replacing atties on these monsters

 

[River]

Im going to grow tobacco and extract the nic, after all prohibition made Joe Kennedy a rich man and got his son into the whitehouse I don't see why I can't do just as good as he did.

 

[Israfil]

River...I like the way you think. I'll see if tobacco can be grown on this side of the country.

 

[River]

River...I like the way you think. I'll see if tobacco can be grown on this side of the country.

sorry man you need to live in god's country. maybe where you are at you can extract nic from lounge singers and hookers... hehe...

 

[IsaacHomer]

General consensus in the forums is that nic juice will last two years in a cool, dark place. They also say freezing is NOT the way to store. All of ours is in a cardboard box in our cool, dry and dark basement.

Here is one post that says freezing is ok.

While I cannot speak for vendors themselves, there is a mandatory 1 year expiration date for all pharma drugs, and this applies to pharm nic that is used for making ejuice. The 1 year expiration is by law, regardless of whether the material or drug has actually changed significantly in 1 year.

While I don't have all the answers about ejuice reactions, I am a chemist of 30 years and know a fair amount about it. The primary reaction is nic reacting with O2. The product is yellow/brown, depending on the concentration. The reaction is limited to the amount of O2 present in the VG or PG, and this amount is generally very low. If the bottle is sealed and not opened, this reaction will stop once the trace O2 has all reacted. This generally equates to a fraction of a % of the total nic amount, but that small amount of oxide product can significantly color the juice.

Freezer temps will slow this, and I think in the case of VG-only juices, effectively stop it, since VG becomes almost solid at freezer temps. PG is still quite liquid. So if the mobility of the nic and O2 molecules is halted, they cannot find each other to react. reaction stops.

The other reason I freeze is for slowing any biological growth, like bacteria, which are virtually impossible with PG, but slightly possible with VG, which is what I use. So it is likely overkill, but peace of mind is peace of mind.

I should mention that I have had a 50-mL bottle of 100 mg VG unflavored out at room temp and dispensed from continually since Jan. It is slightly yellow, like the color of egg whites, while it was initially colorless as water when I bottled it. The rest of that Jan shipment went into a cold-room over the rest of the winter, and then into the freezer when the weather got warm. That liquid is still colorless as water. So either the cold or the fact that it was sealed and not opened has effectively slowed the oxidation, if not stopped it.

The fact is unless the nic is exposed to O2, there is very little nic will do. It doesn't just fall apart spontaneously over time. Remove O2 (and moisture), and nic will last indefinitely. With cold temps, VG or PG should too. The 24 month expiration for PG or VG is at room temp and exposed to the air.

So people are certainly free to toss an unflavored ejuice after a year, but if you are going to do that, send it to me. If it is unopened and sealed, even if it is stored in just cool and dark, it will be just fine.

 

[v1John]

Ok so you guys got to me... just re-inventory my war chest;

I'm good till maybe 2015 ish.

But the juice expires in 2012, are you stocked up on juice?

 

[ms421]

Just received my order from Heaven-Gifts in China. Bought 15 910 attys . . . they went through customs in San Francisco and don't appear to have been opened . . . the contents were simply labeled "spare parts." Anyway, it took 8 days from order to receipt . . . I also ordered 10 910 attys from Madvapes in case my China shipment was seized . . . they arrived, today, also! I will not risk buying from China again, as Madvapes has great service and the dollar more per atty is way fair considering free shipping; the risk in ordering from China again just isn't worth it for me. Happy Vaping!

 

[whiskey]

Just received my order from Heaven-Gifts in China. Bought 15 910 attys . . . they went through customs in San Francisco and don't appear to have been opened . . . the contents were simply labeled "spare parts." Anyway, it took 8 days from order to receipt . . . I also ordered 10 910 attys from Madvapes in case my China shipment was seized . . . they arrived, today, also! I will not risk buying from China again, as Madvapes has great service and the dollar more per atty is way fair considering free shipping; the risk in ordering from China again just isn't worth it for me. Happy Vaping!

I too will not be placing anymore orders overseas for custom problems.
Seems like alot of state side will pick up on buisness now. Good for us I guess but now we have to fight these bans from happening..please do your best to help!!
Happy Vaping!!

 

[shepp]

honestly...i thought i lived in the The United States Of America... land of the free. seems like the more and more i turn on the tv, read the newspapers, hell even on alot of forums, that the government is trying to control every aspect of our lives. isn't that the reason why our forefathers founded this country, isn't that the reason why wars were fought over and over again. if i wanted my government to control every aspect of my life i would be a communist... its getting very hard not to get so ...... off that you wanna scream and hit my head against a wall. to be perfectly honest, as each year goes by, as we elect more and more DBags into office, the more and more i can honestly say i'm not proud to be an american. and thats so hard for me to say due to the fact that my father spent most of my life fighting and devoting so much of his time to this country, that my brother sacrificed so much to fight in a war he didn't believe in but was a loyal american. i don't believe in anarchy, but i don't believe that the government should be able to control every aspect of our life. hell in my city alone, they are talking about putting a smoking ban into effect for while driving, while leasing private/public buildings and apartments. its getting rediculous. sorry to vent so much about this but night after night i sit and read posts and articles about all thats going on, and can't stand the way my life is being controlled now.

 

[leannebug]

Yep, you hit the nail on the head, bro. Air = oxidation = spoilage. I went to the bottom left corner last week and did a search on the words "stocking up." I came across a thread that said a chemist said PROPER storage of unflavored nic = 4-10 years.

Do you have a link to the article/thread? I'd love to know the proper method. Txs

No Not shrink wrap, get one of these food storage systems that has the bags and the machine that sucks all the air out of them. A vacuum sealer system.

What are you sealing? The juices? The nic?

Atomizers are the "HARDEST" thing to make in the e-cig world. A lighter mod can be made in ten minutes, nicotine can be speed extracted at home without chemicals in an hour, batteries and chargers are sold at the store, PG/VG/PEG can be bought locally as can flavors.

Aha! I've been wondering why attys kept popping up on the list (as what to stock up on) THANK YOU for answering the question!

I too will not be placing anymore orders overseas for custom problems.
Seems like alot of state side will pick up on buisness now. Good for us I guess but now we have to fight these bans from happening..please do your best to help!!
Happy Vaping!!

I just hope the prices don't go up too much (supply/demand) I've already seen some reactions.

I really don't think anything will be IMPOSSIBLE to find. Honestly, although I wouldn't know where to look, my kid can go out today and find any drug he wants.... and look how many "stars/celebrities" get things legally. I think everything will just go underground, and it will be a matter of finding it, paying for it, and dealing with any backlash (ie: laws).

So the real questions will become: will you break the law to get what you need and what will be the repercussions if you are caught?

 

[Seabrook]

Hi LeanneBug,
I just searched again and could not find it right away. It was one day when I was brand spaking new to e-cigs, and I was just prowling through the "stocking up" threads. I just searched for those words. A LOT of info in some of the older threads. Try that. Sorry I couldn't find it. Oh, I just thought of something. Username Kurt is a chemist and so is username DVap. Maybe you could go that route. Happy vaping.