I honestly say stock up on both hardware and liquid. Dont skimp this could take a while.
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Yeah, people were getting tired of running around and pulling up pot plants in remote fields full of land mines and guarded by guys with automatic weapons. Us vapors are much safer targets to hassle!
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Now that just sounds waaayy too logical. We're talking government here.
Yeah, we are talking about people that can say, with a straight face, that PG is 'anti-freeze' and that vaporising it is more harmful than smoking tobacco. They say that it is unsafe, just because it has not been proven as 110% safe. AND ... make it stick like it is fact!
Like no-one has ever inhaled it at a rock concert? Or used it to cleanse their hands and brush their teeth?
Tell the same lie enough times and people start to believe it. Lying by omission still amounts to lying.
People trust authority, that is the problem. When the people start to learn that the lowlifes in authority are no better than sewer rats, looking to line their own pockets with their sweat and tears, the fun will start. I can't wait for that day, the day when the people take back their own country. By any means necessary.
Atomizers are the "HARDEST" thing to make in the e-cig world. A lighter mod can be made in ten minutes, nicotine can be speed extracted at home without chemicals in an hour, batteries and chargers are sold at the store, PG/VG/PEG can be bought locally as can flavors.
That is correct, if you could not get attys you would be screwed in terms of using your mods. But look at Carlos and his juice box, he made his own atty! Perhaps a whole new type of mod would spring up if people could not get regular attys.
Just remember prohibition, when they outlawed liquor. People were still able to get it or make it but attys are another story.
Where can I buy high mg nic juice?? Thanks in advance.
Skyycamel, do you expect us to believe someone who's been a member for a year here and has made over 400 posts wouldn't know where to find high mg juice? Sorry, but your statistics give you away. Are you a spy, heh heh?
In reality though, this is going to be harder for the government than you think. The conservative movement is growing by leaps and bounds and common sense is spreading like wildfire. Government control over our lives has to STOP!! We are not sheep, we are American Citizens. We control the government, not the other way around!!
True. It's going to be damn hard for the government to stop everything it's trying to stop. They really need to calm down and prioritize.
I don't understand how conservative = letting people live their own lives though. I've been hearing that a lot lately and it confuses me. Aren't conservatives known for being against things outside the traditional norm? Aren't conservatives the ones who concern themselves with the "sins" of other people? For instance John Kyl and Bill Frist - the Senators who've fought tooth and nail to ban online poker.
It seems like the definitions of words I've known my whole life have changed in the past year and a half.
True. It's going to be damn hard for the government to stop everything it's trying to stop. They really need to calm down and prioritize.
I don't understand how conservative = letting people live their own lives though. I've been hearing that a lot lately and it confuses me. Aren't conservatives known for being against things outside the traditional norm? Aren't conservatives the ones who concern themselves with the "sins" of other people? For instance John Kyl and Bill Frist - the Senators who've fought tooth and nail to ban online poker.
It seems like the definitions of words I've known my whole life have changed in the past year and a half.
Liberals and conservatives have different priorities for how they want government to interfere in our lives. With conservatives it might be abortion or pot. With liberals it might be cigarettes or taxing sugary sodas. On this particular issue, we happen to be more likely get sympathy from conservatives. However, neither ideology is especially consistent in how it views the role of government.
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Woolf,
Let's not forget that the Conservatives tend to be owned and pocket lined by BIG TOBACCO, and most of their headquarters are in the South (i.e Phillip Morris in Richmond Virginia). If anyone wants vaping to stop it's Big Tobacco. During a ban they would then be the ones to repackage vaping and liquid nic under a miraculous new patent protected safe (BS) product that would be taxed by the govt and have the Philip Morris Trade Mark on it. It would be fast tracked through FDA, STATE, FEDERAL, HOMELAND SECURITY and the NRA without a hiccup then sold to us for 5 times the amounts we pay now. And Nic Juice would only be available in pre-filled proprietary carts to be used on their devices. And the conservative public officials would stump and sell it to their constituencies all the while salivating over their new vacation homes and bonuses (donations).
Meanwhile they would reduce the cost of analogs to keep cancer rates up for the pharmaceutical companies and offer those on the fringe a chance to fall off the vaping wagon and into the loving wealth producing arms of guaranteed carcinogens... the ones you've always liked. The ones that are also in anti-freeze but hey "it's such a small quantity" in the grand scheme of things.
Mark my words....
Disclaimer to Previous Post directly Above:
I Don't and have never worked for a cigarette company.
And any suggestion that I've seen the Philip Morris plans that happened to have been left in a black briefcase, red handle, Gold monogrammed initials H.D.R., under the third stool at the bar of the Bennigans on Martin Luther King Highway in downtown Richmond by a heavily inebriated gentleman in a blue pinstripe suit who left with a call girl named Trixie would be patently false.
I'm not that guy.
Really.
I Don't and have never worked for a cigarette company.
And any suggestion that I've seen the Philip Morris plans that happened to have been left in a black briefcase, red handle, Gold monogrammed initials H.D.R., under the third stool at the bar of the Bennigans on Martin Luther King Highway in downtown Richmond by a heavily inebriated gentleman in a blue pinstripe suit who left with a call girl named Trixie would be patently false.
I'm not that guy.
Really.
Ditto. I have almost 500ml of 100mg/ml unflavored nicotine juice and 15 full bottles of TV Doublers. My only concern is that since TV doesn't use any preservatives, the Doublers may not last all that long. Since I go through almost one 125ml Doubler a month, I need at least 25 of them to feel secure. But will they survive? I don't know.
Beyond that, I have:
35 BE112 attys
25 510 attys
200 510 cartomizers
100 808 cartomizers
...and tons of other liquids I've never used. So, I'm probably alright for a while. What nonsense this all is. ;-)
Woolf,
Let's not forget that the Conservatives tend to be owned and pocket lined by BIG TOBACCO, and most of their headquarters are in the South (i.e Phillip Morris in Richmond Virginia). If anyone wants vaping to stop it's Big Tobacco. During a ban they would then be the ones to repackage vaping and liquid nic under a miraculous new patent protected safe (BS) product that would be taxed by the govt and have the Philip Morris Trade Mark on it. It would be fast tracked through FDA, STATE, FEDERAL, HOMELAND SECURITY and the NRA without a hiccup then sold to us for 5 times the amounts we pay now. And Nic Juice would only be available in pre-filled proprietary carts to be used on their devices. And the conservative public officials would stump and sell it to their constituencies all the while salivating over their new vacation homes and bonuses (donations).
China owns the patent. I think that is the problem
Meanwhile they would reduce the cost of analogs to keep cancer rates up for the pharmaceutical companies and offer those on the fringe a chance to fall off the vaping wagon and into the loving wealth producing arms of guaranteed carcinogens... the ones you've always liked. The ones that are also in anti-freeze but hey "it's such a small quantity" in the grand scheme of things.
Cigarette prices have dropped by $1.26 per pack where I live since I started vaping in December.
Mark my words....
Those are some good points and I see them already starting to emerge.
I posted a thread here about Phillip Morris but it probably would do better in this thread.
What do you suppose Phillip Morris might want to make? Is it an ecig, a mp3 player, a GPS system, or all of the above?
ELECTRICALLY HEATED SMOKING SYSTEM - Patent Application 20090320863
It seems like they are trying to keep their options open. I wonder if they are really interested in it or want to block the market.
The pay as you smoke option seems weird to me.
What do you suppose Phillip Morris might want to make? Is it an ecig, a mp3 player, a GPS system, or all of the above?
ELECTRICALLY HEATED SMOKING SYSTEM - Patent Application 20090320863
It seems like they are trying to keep their options open. I wonder if they are really interested in it or want to block the market.
The pay as you smoke option seems weird to me.
Reading the description, it looks like they attempted to patent the eCig, but completely missed the point of the USB cable (perhaps this was done when eCig's were beginning to emerge as a popular device?)
I'd be concerned with patents like this. Has any manufacturer actually gained the patent to the eCig? If not, this is one way big tobacco can shut down the industry.
This is how big tobacco is gonna get the ecig banned. YouTube - Family Guy - "Come on!"
also..converting obama might be a good idea. He's a hip cat with cool ideals. (I hope I said that right.)
Furthermore, don't think the democrats aren't represented here... I'm a dem and against this sort of BS regulation. There are a LOT more important things the government should (and doesnt) handle.
also..converting obama might be a good idea. He's a hip cat with cool ideals. (I hope I said that right.)
Furthermore, don't think the democrats aren't represented here... I'm a dem and against this sort of BS regulation. There are a LOT more important things the government should (and doesnt) handle.
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