Stop whining and start thinking positive!

[Steeldragon]

I feel the government will take their time on this, what worries me are what the local govts are doing without input or knowledge. Those regulations have a tendency to sneak through the cracks without anyone being the wiser. I feel our voices are growing toward the federal govt. I feel a fight is oncoming but I don't see an outright ban because we are getting better in getting our voices heard. I personally think calling the devices e-cigs instead of personal vaping devices is harming our cause due to public perception. srry about the rant but had to add my 2 cents in the mean time vape on

 

[The Torch]

No. Not numerous enough.
Not so long ago there were much (MUCH) more smokers. Us smokers. And we were banned from public places and overtaxed to half death. Our numbers – now “our” means vapers numbers - are really small, compared to general population. We are not popular. Politicians need taxes, so they will try really hard to tax vapers as hard as possible, and general population will applaud them (it’s just human nature).

Be prepared.

I feel the government will take their time on this, what worries me are what the local govts are doing without input or knowledge. Those regulations have a tendency to sneak through the cracks without anyone being the wiser. I feel our voices are growing toward the federal govt. I feel a fight is oncoming but I don't see an outright ban because we are getting better in getting our voices heard. I personally think calling the devices e-cigs instead of personal vaping devices is harming our cause due to public perception. srry about the rant but had to add my 2 cents in the mean time vape on

Stop whining and be positive Our numbers grow and as our numbers grow, the more the rest of the population learn about how much better vaping is. As for taxes, the government will always find things to tax... they'll always tax whatever they can justify and the more people know about vaping, the less it makes sense to tax that. Next thing you know, ex-smokers will be to blame for some fancy new tax that is imposed on something that touches more people, but is more equally distributed. Repeat it as a mantra. I mean, why should we pay for everyone else when we are not a health risk anymore? It is obvious the government will fight to keep the income, but taxing e-cigs is just the easy way out of coming up with a system that makes more sense (although taxes barely make any sense IMO).

 

[Krashman Von Stinkputin]

Daily affirmation....

 

[Robino1]

No. Not numerous enough.
Not so long ago there were much (MUCH) more smokers. Us smokers. And we were banned from public places and overtaxed to half death. Our numbers – now “our” means vapers numbers - are really small, compared to general population. We are not popular. Politicians need taxes, so they will try really hard to tax vapers as hard as possible, and general population will applaud them (it’s just human nature).

Be prepared.

But as smokers, we bought into all the hype that smoking was bad for us and everyone around us. I never raised my voice when they started taxing and banishing us, as smokers.

More and more information is coming out that shows vaping is not nearly the supposed harm that smoking was purported as being.

I will fight and I will continue to fight. I didn't as a smoker, I will as a vaper. I believe that those who worked to get smoking banished didn't think that they would get any push back from e-cig users. They thought wrong. We will not go as quietly as we did over smoking.

 

[Kropotkin]

But as smokers, we bought into all the hype that smoking was bad for us and everyone around us. I never raised my voice when they started taxing and banishing us, as smokers.

More and more information is coming out that shows vaping is not nearly the supposed harm that smoking was purported as being.

I will fight and I will continue to fight. I didn't as a smoker, I will as a vaper. I believe that those who worked to get smoking banished didn't think that they would get any push back from e-cig users. They thought wrong. We will not go as quietly as we did over smoking.

I'm afraid I'm not following you here.



Smoking really IS bad for you, and really DOES create second-hand contaminants. All that's well known. Vaping, on the other hand, reduces harm to the user, and poses no danger to those around him.

How could it possibly make sense to equate the two?

 

[DavidOH]

I'm afraid I'm not following you here.



Smoking really IS bad for you, and really DOES create second-hand contaminants. All that's well known. Vaping, on the other hand, reduces harm to the user, and poses no danger to those around him.

How could it possibly make sense to equate the two?

Because even though we knew it was bad we said nothing about the taxes and bans. We don't smoke anymore but they will treat it as smoking if we don't fight it.

 

[rondasherrill]

I'm afraid I'm not following you here.



Smoking really IS bad for you, and really DOES create second-hand contaminants. All that's well known. Vaping, on the other hand, reduces harm to the user, and poses no danger to those around him.

How could it possibly make sense to equate the two?

That's her point. Because we all knew they were dangerous, the increased taxes and regulations largely went unquestioned. Because we know that vaping doesn't have that risk, it should be different.

 

[AndriaD]

And I'm not going to answer meekly to any ignorant fool who gives me the 'well you're STILL smoking' BS. I've never accepted stupidity quietly, and I'm going to get even louder to those idiots who try that nonsense on me. I haven't had a cigarette in over a month, and although I had a month's backslide after my illness, before that I was more than 3 months smoke-free. I'm a NON-SMOKER and I refuse to be treated like a pariah.

On the other hand, I won't expect non-vapers to calmly accept vaping in places like restaurants, etc. It doesn't really matter WHY they're annoyed by it; I don't want to be the one that's annoying. I won't go stand with the smokers, either -- I finally stopped breathing that stuff in my own lungs, I don't want to breathe it from other people. I'll just go sit in my truck. Solitude is just FIIIIIIINE with me!

Andria

 

[Robino1]

That's his point. Because we all knew they were dangerous, the increased taxes and regulations largely went unquestioned. Because we know that vaping doesn't have that risk, it should be different.

<~~~~is a she in case you were referring to me.

As far as second hand smoke....think about who is/did stating/started that conversation. The same ones that are claiming second hand vape is as bad or worse than second hand smoke. They also are trying to start third hand smoke myths.

Granted, second hand smoke is certainly not a good thing, it is NOT nearly as bad as they would have you believe.

Research 'Second hand smoke myths'. I can't get links for anyone at the moment. I'm on my cell and nowhere near my computer.

 

[rondasherrill]

<~~~~is a she in case you were referring to me.

As far as second hand smoke....think about who is/did stating/started that conversation. The same ones that are claiming second hand vape is as bad or worse than second hand smoke. They also are trying to start third hand smoke myths.

Granted, second hand smoke is certainly not a good thing, it is NOT nearly as bad as they would have you believe.

Research 'Second hand smoke myths'. I can't get links for anyone at the moment. I'm on my cell and nowhere near my computer.

Oops! Sorry. I blame my sleep patterns. I've been awake about 20 minutes. LOL.

 

[AndriaD]

<~~~~is a she in case you were referring to me.

As far as second hand smoke....think about who is/did stating/started that conversation. The same ones that are claiming second hand vape is as bad or worse than second hand smoke. They also are trying to start third hand smoke myths.

Granted, second hand smoke is certainly not a good thing, it is NOT nearly as bad as they would have you believe.

Research 'Second hand smoke myths'. I can't get links for anyone at the moment. I'm on my cell and nowhere near my computer.

I haven't looked it up, but my general feeling has always been that for adults who don't have any particular lung problems or allergies, if they're complaining about it, they're just being intolerant whiners. But for those who do have lung problems or tobacco allergies (I've known one or two that actually did), or for children, especially young children (single-digits), then a constant regimen of 2nd-hand smoke is not a good thing. One of those that I've known with tobacco allergy couldn't be around ANY tobacco smoke unless he had taken his asthma-med steroids that day. Of course, taking steroids gave him such a PERSONALITY problem, no one wanted to be around him anyway.

Andria

 

[rondasherrill]

I haven't looked it up, but my general feeling has always been that for adults who don't have any particular lung problems or allergies, if they're complaining about it, they're just being intolerant whiners. But for those who do have lung problems or tobacco allergies (I've known one or two that actually did), or for children, especially young children (single-digits), then a constant regimen of 2nd-hand smoke is not a good thing. One of those that I've known with tobacco allergy couldn't be around ANY tobacco smoke unless he had taken his asthma-med steroids that day. Of course, taking steroids gave him such a PERSONALITY problem, no one wanted to be around him anyway.

Andria

That makes sense to me. I know most people who loudly proclaim to be allergic to cigarette smoke actually just don't like the smell. Not to say there aren't people allergic to it(it is an allergen after all). I've just noticed that it's a go-to excuse for non-smokers. I guess they didn't want to offend me by saying "Would you mind putting that out? The smell bothers me."

When my son was a baby, I did notice that smoking around him caused him to have ear problems. They were actually going to put tubes in his ears. Then I put down the butts, and picked up an e-cig, and *poof*, 2 doctor visits later, he didn't need the tubes after all, and no more earaches.

 

[Robino1]

Granted, if there are medical issues, yes SHS (second hand smoke) can ascorbate those issues. Some of these are hereditary.

I question why there is a rise in children's asthma when smoking is on the decline. People are now going out of their way to make sure they smoke well away from children and others.

Is it even possible to consider that a small amount of SHS could help build the immune system?

Neither of my children have asthma. No one in my immediate family have asthma even though we were children of smokers that never had to worry about the SHS issue.

I think about the old adage, everything in moderation. Yet that still doesn't add up in regards to that rise in asthma.

Kind of like being too clean can backfire and children aren't able to build their immune systems.

Just some things to ponder....