Musing-My thoughts on what's to come-or not
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Yes I did. A bunch of drivel trying to say that we are better than people with other vices. Like I said before, if you don't acknowledge their rights to do with their body what they want, you are even worse than those that want to stop us. Why do you have that right if they don't? If our government can tell them no, there is nothing to stop them from shutting us down too. Fair is fair, our vice is no better than theirs, no matter what your reasoning is.
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Wake me up when someone finds a valid argument on why smokers shall have any less than 20% of "public spaces" reserved for their use.
Wake me up when someone finds a valid argument on why smokers shall have any less than 20% of "public spaces" reserved for their use.
I'm not going to get into a pissing match but I will say one last thing.
This forum is about vaping. We are fighting, with everything we have, to keep vaping a viable alternative and legal. There are those that do read this forum and have used quotes from this forum in their efforts to paint vaping in a bad light. I have actually seen some of these first hand.
Right now, vaping IS still legal. Other things, that we do not discuss here, are NOT legal. Some may be legal in Some states, but not in all states nor in most countries. As such, we do not allow talk of them. In order for the forum to be taken seriously, this rule is in place and it is strictly enforced.
The owner of this forum has met with Mitch Zeller, FDA in case you are not aware, he is a major advocate and a vaper.
We would not be taken as seriously as we are in the 'real world' if these rules were not strictly enforced.
This is non-negotiable.
That's where judgment comes in I guess. I would go with SomeTexan, not do it if there were people close enough to be bothered.
Course there will be some people who would be bothered just because they could see you vaping. Should you take their unreasonable concerns into account? I wouldn't, although if they came over and complained I would put my vape away or move. Some things are worth fighting for and some aren't. Facing off with every whiney complainer you meet would get tiresome pretty fast, whether it's about vaping or anything else. Folks like that tend to enjoy confrontation, and I don't.
Some vapers will vape wherever they want, crowds or not. I don't know what to say about that. It's a personal choice. I wish they wouldn't because it will blow back on me eventually. But I'm too old to worry about other people's choices.
Ok, I'll try to knock it off. But I want you to know, there are a lot of people that think like I do on this. If you are ok about discriminating against them, why do you deserve any better? When the other side thinks like you do, you don't like it, but it's ok for you to do it. This, and people like you are the reason vaping will be made illegal. Alienate our potential allies just to suck up to the people that are trying to shut us down. Man, we really are screwed... Guess I need to stock up on supplies.
One more thing: the FDA has lied to us since their inception. I don't trust a single person on their payroll. Claiming to be into vaping and working for FDA =hypocrite, and not someone to trust. I wouldn't doubt that is a plant looking for dirt on us...
Sorry but you couldn't be more wrong, all the mods and the founder of this site fight for our right to vape all the time. I don't think you're fully grasping the point that whatever their personal beliefs are on the topic it must not be posted here with any regularity less it be used against us. If they didn't care about our rights to vape they would let this place turn into the wild west and let the chips fall where they may.
Not try. Do. This is one area that is very inflexible on ECF and it's enforced rigorously.
I say "united we stand divided we fall". Our problem is trampling of rights. I see no problem with fighting the war not just a battle. Support ACLU, EFF, NRA, ATR etc.
sorry about that, was just making a point about taxation. Post edited.
sometexan, no one is trying to discriminate against anyone. This is a forum about VAPING, not the other subject you wish to discuss. If you want to talk about that particular subject, why not go to a forum with that as the topic? The point is not discriminating, but not giving those trying to take away our right to vape ammunition to use against us. You sound like you are just trying to pick a fight, not understand the logic around the rules.
I truly am sorry that this thread ended up this way. 
It sure wasn't the way I had hoped it would go.
It sure wasn't the way I had hoped it would go.
Sorry mattiem...it is not your fault at all
...and he is now gone for a while - hopefully he will take the time to read and appreciate the rules that we have in place and understand why they are there.
...and he is now gone for a while - hopefully he will take the time to read and appreciate the rules that we have in place and understand why they are there.
we'll get it back on track..I'm not going gently into that good night.
I saw them do it to us smokers..slowly restrict and tax the livin' daylights out of us.
but this time around, thanks to those clinicians doing valid studies, CASAA, and my poor reps who have heard from me and will continue to.
I saw them do it to us smokers..slowly restrict and tax the livin' daylights out of us.
but this time around, thanks to those clinicians doing valid studies, CASAA, and my poor reps who have heard from me and will continue to.
I truly am sorry that this thread ended up this way.
Totally not your fault mattiem, someone was looking for a fight.
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