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Discussion in 'ProVape' started by p.opus, Apr 27, 2014.

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  1. p.opus

    p.opus Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 24, 2010
    Coral Springs FL
    I posted this as a reply to another thread, but since that thread really didn't have to do with the original topic, I though I'd start a new thread regarding this.

    This forum has exploded with activity since the APV specific forums up in the e-cigarette section was archived.

    This has turned this place from a ghost town to a metropolis, but has caused some concern and even has prompted ProVape to ask for a forum helper to keep up.

    So the question is, how can we maintain an open and loving atmosphere while making it easier to moderate and maintain.....

    In my experience, trying keep people organized in a forum is kind of like herding cats.... It's impossible and you simply end up with a bunch of meowing kitties.

    Sticky the important stuff. Announcements from the company, Contests, helpful threads (such as cleaning instructions or an online manual). Then lock the stickied thread. For example sticky a contest, then lock it 24 hours after it's over. Those who didn't say congrats, tough.

    Then you let the regular part of the forum kind of take care of itself. Threads that are of interest will prosper and take a life of their own (like the saloon) and some threads will die a natural death. You can have an "unpublished" policy of locking and archiving any non-stickied thread that has no activity for 4 weeks. The reason I say unpublished, is because if people know their stuff will be deleted, they usually "bump" the thread and we don't want to have a bunch of bumping just to stay active.

    Trying, however, to regulate people to use existing threads (like here is my new ProVari thread, or what do you want to see in V3 thread, or what's your favorite kayfun build thread. ) is an exercise in futility.

    1. It makes people look and feel like idiots. When you get that post from someone who says.....please post here...or it's deleted by an over zealous mod with a curt .....thread already exists....Then you just alienate people. No body likes to feel like a noob, even if they are. When I first got my ProVari, if you all had sent me to the corner without dinner because I didn't search two pages for the active 'unboxing' thread, I would have assumed you were the bunch of jerks people made the Provarinati out to be. Especially in my case since my ProVari purchase ended up in a lot of mea culpa and eating of crow as it was.....To have someone go....."you should have posted it here" would have sent me screaming out of here.

    2. It clutters up the thread..... Nothing destroys a thread flow more than some nag from walking in an should discuss this here....or hey, theres already an open thread on this. It's like when you get shushed in a movie theatre. The shusher is often louder than you are. Same thing applies. We post to tell people where to post and we compound the problem.

    So... In a nutshell here's my suggestions:

    1. The first sticky is a list of rules, and guidelines. These should not be overly complex or long, but should contain the following: What behavior is not allowed, expectation of company involvement, etc.
    2. There should be NO expectation of vendor involvement of a normal thread unless it's absolutely required. MasterKenny has a job to do, he is not our buddy, nor our secret source of inside information. He is here to pass official company correspondence to us and to alert his superiors to customer concerns that originate from the website.
    3. Any requests for help or assistance should be tackled by the general population first. If the community is unable to provide the answer or if the thread involves a specific concern that ABSOLUTELY REQUIRES official vendor involvement, then one of our "elder statespersons" like Occy, Baditude, PoM, etc. should be able to PM MasterKenny or whoever the "official rep" is and bring the thread to their attention.
    4. All "official" company originated correspondence gets stickied. This includes current contests, and stock notifications. Those announcements not requiring comment from the gallery are immediately locked.
    5. Contest stickies are locked 24 to 48 hours after expiration. You have time to congrats, but then we lock it....
    6. inactive and dead posts are locked and or archived after 4 or so weeks of inactivity (this is not announced anywhere to prevent intentional bumping of dead threads, but we simply remove the dead bodies and bury them in the desert.) Posts that contain specifically good information (like all of mine :lol: get stickied)
    7. Stickies are regularly reviewed and removed after they become irrelevant. (we really don't need to read about a contest from 2 years ago, nor do we need to read about polished models being discontinued when they have been re-continued).
    8. Stickies are reviewed and removed when they provide inaccurate information. (such as upcoming announcements about retired colors).

    Feel free to add your :2c:
  2. COHgirl

    COHgirl Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Dec 25, 2012
    Mew mew!!

    Being that it's people sharing ideas and thoughts freely, I don't see anyone ever "making" everyone do it their way. Some one might make a hurtful comment in a newbie thread similar to raining on their parade.

    Please don't let that stop you from enjoying the forum! There is an ignore button that can be used to avoid reading posts from any individual.

    You should see the posts in The Purse Forum :) Doesn't matter how many times a Legacy or Madison or a Poppy has been revealed, we are always happy to share your joy with you!

    If you can't help them at least don't hurt them....

    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  3. Ozwald

    Ozwald Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Nov 12, 2013
    Personally I don't see why a contest should be stickied at all. I agree, there's way too much sticky abuse (run with that Ocey, just for you ;) ), and a contest isn't going to fall off the first page... hell it usually doesn't make it out of the top 10 threads. I do like the locking idea though for those who can't be bothered to read the first post or even the congrats post directly above theirs.

    Personally the only thing that really annoys me probably isn't ever going to stop - threads with a title that implies that they have a question or need help, but in reality it was just their "witty" way to say they got a Provari or to rack up some thread views/replies.

    I guess I don't have a whole lot to add because even though I was extremely active in the old place & one of the few who checked this area when it was just legit questions being posted, I made the choice to move on. I still poke in from time to time, but since I didn't care for the direction things were heading, it was simpler to move elsewhere instead of Rivertrolling (which was happening here long before the big move).
  4. dave51

    dave51 Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Mar 10, 2014
    First off stickies should be for important forum notices

    Then there should be a specific section for all help requests
    third all supplier posts advertising new products should have its own section

    those three things alone would organize the forum beyond belief

    Ive run other forums and those three things make an amazing difference
  5. p.opus

    p.opus Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 24, 2010
    Coral Springs FL
    Great input guys. @Dave51. specific sections would be fantastic, but we don't control that, neither does ProVape. ProVape has been given this one section, so we gotta try and make it fit.

    Ideally you would have an Announcements section, New Products section, Support section. But since I don't see ECF giving ProVape any more "sub-forums" I was trying to find a way we could organize using a single forum.
  6. p.opus

    p.opus Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 24, 2010
    Coral Springs FL
    The contest being stickied served two fold. One, it keeps it up top, but like you said, natural traffic keeps it there. Secondly, it was simply stickied because I suggested all company correspondence be sticked. This is kind of like a way to know that this is coming from the vendor. But I see your point.
  7. Riverboat

    Riverboat Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 15, 2012
    Its good to see that the Provape thread is alive and kicking again.......Other then a few of us there was 0 activity for the longest time. I think I was just irritated that most of you had abandoned this place...Baditude was one of the few who was still around to help prospective Provari owners... So once again my apologies if I offended anyone :unsure:
    Suggestions on Forum Cleanup?
    Forget about it, let the flood gates open :laugh:
  8. PLANofMAN

    PLANofMAN Signature Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Dec 9, 2012
    Woodburn, OR
    I'm not sure how I feel about being referred to as an "elder statesperson," and it's MonsterKenny, not MasterKenny, but other than that it looks good. Are you volunteering to implement this 7 stage plan of yours as a mod?
  9. The Ocelot

    The Ocelot Psychopomp Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Cross post alert!

    I wonder if it's possible to make people forum mods for only a limited amount of time? Like a few days to clean up the stickies. I wonder how Roly would feel about it, since he's trying to clean-up the forum anyway? I don't work for ProVape. I don't feel I promote the ProVari commercially, just as a consumer who likes the product. I also promote many other products when I feel they are appropriate for a situation, that is true for all of us.

    Perhaps we could have a Reosmods challenge. They've been at it longer, but we could make our opening page just as good.
  10. MonsterKenny

    MonsterKenny Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Mar 23, 2009
    dublin ohio
    Read and noted.
    Tomorrow i begin to clean up our section as there is much clutter in here. We have acquired another team member so i can keep a better eye on cleanliness of this sub forum.

  11. p.opus

    p.opus Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 24, 2010
    Coral Springs FL
    Ken, these are just some suggestions on how we can be self regulating so that your constant activity is not required.

    We certainly don't want to overstay our welcome here and we can do things that make things easier for you.

    We're not here to "take over". Please let us know how we can help you.
  12. PLANofMAN

    PLANofMAN Signature Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Dec 9, 2012
    Woodburn, OR
    Yeah, what he said.^^^

    But we are kind of like that guy that comes over to spend the night on the couch and then never leaves...
    ...but it's still your house, honest. :closedeyes:
  13. p.opus

    p.opus Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 24, 2010
    Coral Springs FL
    I'm already recruited as web master for another organization and that's more than enough for me....thanks.
  14. MonsterKenny

    MonsterKenny Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Mar 23, 2009
    dublin ohio
    of course :)
    Everyone is welcome to help out others, and defiantly helps us out as well, we are all 1 big giant family and we would just like to see it grow!

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