Super T VV??

[mwa102464]

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You are assuming have no experience of vv - I do - I found that I didn't really make much use. plus as I said, I LIKE purely mechanical devices - sorry...

I dont assume, and this is variable wattage, monitors the resistance as well, a bit different in a way then just VV Prof beard, was only making a point that it is some nice stuff and if David does make this it would be Game over ! To each there own is how I feel but I really like it to me it is like do I want the original cell phone that came in the bag with a huge battery or do I want the iphone 4s, personally I choose the iphone 4s. just boils down to what makes you the vapor happy and works for the vapor but as technology grows so will PV's and those that choose to keep up stay in the game those that dont will be gone or make the same old PV, some will stay some will leave it's all a personal preference. No arguments here, whatever you like is how you roll.

 

[Roi]

I can see NO conflict here. I was never implying that the +P is anything short of the perfect mechanical mod. By using a "Kick" and an AW IMR 18490 in my PrecisePlus 18650, I am only installing a better battery. Where's the implication that there's anything lacking in what IMHO is the best mechanical mod on the market? Just my thoughts.

 

[intuition]

There's no accounting for taste.
It is not only technology but simplicity, form and beauty that make some vapers happy.
I enjoy the freedom to choose different if I want to.

Well the Kick-design as an option even for my already owned large-battery-PV-tubes without changing the look or the handling of the PV itself is a cute approach.

 

[vapn]

I would think this drop in Kick thing would be more suited for the Shockwave..... The Precise is perfect AS-IS IMHO. I want the smallest form factor with the largest battery I can get. Adding another 15mm to the P18 would not be good, and the 18490 just don't do it for me. I can drop it in the pool and not worry about it being finished. To each their own and the option would definitely attract more users to the Precise range, but the thing has not even been produced yet. We don't know how well it will actually work yet.

 

[mwa102464]

I would think this drop in Kick thing would be more suited for the Shockwave..... The Precise is perfect AS-IS IMHO. I want the smallest form factor with the largest battery I can get. Adding another 15mm to the P18 would not be good, and the 18490 just don't do it for me. I can drop it in the pool and not worry about it being finished. To each their own and the option would definitely attract more users to the Precise range, but the thing has not even been produced yet. We don't know how well it will actually work yet.

Actually it has been produced and I saw it and it is being used in a Mod, Drew had one at Vaporcon and we know how it works those of us that own a Darwin Vapn, it works the same as a Darwin accept I believe the kick is limited in the wattage adjustment from 6w-10w.

 

[vapn]

When I said produced I wasn't talking about prototypes. And heck if it works just like a Darwin why not just get a Darwin...? And with the availability of the Darwin being so limited how are they going to keep up with actual production of something that is added to every mod? I don't see this happening for quite some time MWA.

 

[Roi]

When I said produced I wasn't talking about prototypes. And heck if it works just like a Darwin why not just get a Darwin...? And with the availability of the Darwin being so limited how are they going to keep up with actual production of something that is added to every mod? I don't see this happening for quite some time MWA.

It's all about the construction. Like the Precise, the Darwin requires a lot of (human) hand work and is slow to produce but, the Kick is almost 100% machine made and is going to be limited only by the sales.

 

[forcedfuel50]

Actually it has been produced and I saw it and it is being used in a Mod, Drew had one at Vaporcon and we know how it works those of us that own a Darwin Vapn, it works the same as a Darwin accept I believe the kick is limited in the wattage adjustment from 6w-10w.

How does it work MWA? Are you supposed to take an 18650 powered unit and replace the battery with an 18500/18490 and put the VV module inside on top of the battey or does it screw on to top of the unit between the unit and the atomizer?

If it's just drop in or screw on, i don't see why there is any debate as we can have our cake and eat it too. If you like VV, you are covered, if you like all mechanical, since the unit doesn't need to be modified to use it, you are covered too. Seems like a win/win.

 

[Roi]

How does it work MWA? Are you supposed to take an 18650 powered unit and replace the battery with an 18500/18490 and put the VV module inside on top of the battey or does it screw on to top of the unit between the unit and the atomizer?

If it's just drop in or screw on, i don't see why there is any debate as we can have our cake and eat it too. If you like VV, you are covered, if you like all mechanical, since the unit doesn't need to be modified to use it, you are covered too. Seems like a win/win.

You substitute a 18490 or 18500 for the 18650 and just drop it in with the battery.

Like I said, all you are doing is taking an already perfect mod and giving it a better battery. (Or... More accurately, a better power supply.)

I think I said somewhere else that using a Precise product is like going to the circus and if you use the kick in it, then you're riding to that circus on your own elephant. That sure sounds like the best of both worlds to me.

 

[artyoh]

You substitute a 18490 or 18500 for the 18650 and just drop it in with the battery.

Like I said, all you are doing is taking an already perfect mod and giving it a better battery. (Or... More accurately, a better power supply.)

I think I said somewhere else that using a Precise product is like going to the circus and if you use the kick in it, then you're riding to that circus on your own elephant. That sure sounds like the best of both worlds to me.

So how would adjustments work? Having to take apart your mod several times until you get the wattage dialed in to your liking with a particular atty/carto set-up seems workable, but kinda kludgy. Methinks David needs to get on the drawing board to design an optional top cap replacement with some provision for wattage adjustments........since that's easy for me to say.

 

[The Yeti]

This is the first I'm hearing of this 'Kick' - personally I think it's a major game changer and can't wait to get my hands on one!

 

[DonDaBoomVape]

...i don't see why there is any debate as we can have our cake and eat it too. If you like VV, you are covered, if you like all mechanical, since the unit doesn't need to be modified to use it, you are covered too. Seems like a win/win.

I agree with David on this. If you want VV (or, more accurately, variable power), why not add in that capability to the best-designed/machined 18650 mod?

And I believe that the selling price on that Kick will be less than any VV mod out there ... certainly a heck of a lot less than the Darwin. The other "price" is the reduction in mAh (from 1600 to a high percentage of 1100)* ... but that still will be sufficient for many of us for a full day of vaping.

* mAh ratings of the AW IMR 18650 and 18490 batteries.​

 

[mwa102464]

How does it work MWA? Are you supposed to take an 18650 powered unit and replace the battery with an 18500/18490 and put the VV module inside on top of the battey or does it screw on to top of the unit between the unit and the atomizer?

If it's just drop in or screw on, i don't see why there is any debate as we can have our cake and eat it too. If you like VV, you are covered, if you like all mechanical, since the unit doesn't need to be modified to use it, you are covered too. Seems like a win/win.

Yes you drop it in Dave then put your 18500 in the PV tube, the only issue I see right now with the one I saw is you have to set your adjustment first, there is a small plastic set screw on the unit to adjust the Watts. This is the only SMALL issue I see with the "kICK" for right this second, although this doesn't mean that SOMBODY ( Dave ) couldn't figure a way to make a turning ring on the PV to adjust the kick. I think we will have to see how Evolve puts out a final product and especially the Modders kit they say they are also going to provide till we are able to really see what can be done, but I think a talented machinist will be able to make either a turning ring or some type of way to adjust this kick, for now like I said it only has a small set screw on the top of it, there is a small square plastic piece on the top side with a plastic set screw in the middle of this plastic block. The way I see it is YOU would be able to make a special "cap" where this "kick" could be the intricate piece that this kick sits in, then your cap would be able to either turn or have some type of turning ring or set screw on the PV's cap.

 

[mwa102464]

I agree with David on this. If you want VV (or, more accurately, variable power), why not add in that capability to the best-designed/machined 18650 mod?

And I believe that the selling price on that Kick will be less than any VV mod out there ... certainly a heck of a lot less than the Darwin. The other "price" is the reduction in mAh (from 1600 to a high percentage of 1100)* ... but that still will be sufficient for many of us for a full day of vaping.

* mAh ratings of the AW IMR 18650 and 18490 batteries.​

Precisely Don ! and many wouldn't mine making one Batt change a day to have these Brains inside of a unit although there also may be a way to incorporate the Kick into the PV's cap not adding to much size to an 18650 PV as well.

 

[cos]

MWA will this work on a 18650 only ? what about the PP 18500 or 18490?

 

[artyoh]

MWA will this work on a 18650 only ? what about the PP 18500 or 18490?

Presumably, it would fit in a P+18500, it you stepped down to an 18350 batt. Fitting the electronics into a 15mm package was probably an engineering requirement for the device, since that's the height difference between 18mm batts.

 

[cos]

Presumably, it would fit in a P+18500, it you stepped down to an 18350 batt. Fitting the electronics into a 15mm package was probably an engineering requirement for the device, since that's the height difference between 18mm batts.

thanks for the info. that makes sense. i figured i would have to get a 18650 PP. And if i did have to get one you wouldnt have to twist my arm to much for me to order one. now that i think about it what the heck.

 

[prof beard]

If it's just drop in or screw on, i don't see why there is any debate as we can have our cake and eat it too. If you like VV, you are covered, if you like all mechanical, since the unit doesn't need to be modified to use it, you are covered too. Seems like a win/win.

That would be my view David, I don't personally have any real interest in the kick (I like my mods mechanical) but have no problem with something people can just drop into their Precise - IF that's what they want to do - it's their choice.

I DO have reservations about you creating any special component to make use of the kick though, as you would then be in a position of not having complete control over the quality of the vaping experience provided and (knowing what people are like) I can fully see people who then have problems with the kick then blaming you because "I bought the Super T kick add-on"....

 

[atavanhalen]

When I said produced I wasn't talking about prototypes. And heck if it works just like a Darwin why not just get a Darwin...? And with the availability of the Darwin being so limited how are they going to keep up with actual production of something that is added to every mod? I don't see this happening for quite some time MWA.

Because the Darwin is two hundred somethin and is large and it is a quite unique form factor that not all people prefer. The kick is suppose to be around 40 bucks, if I could afford every mod I wanted I probably would have a darwin but if I can have something that is variable watts that fits in all of my 18mm mods for 40 bucks then I am definitely game, although I wish it went to 12 watts like the darwin but its capped at 10. There are some rumors of that changing but who knows.

 

[mwa102464]

I rarely go above 10 Watts on my Darwin, but it would be nice to have the same features and for the kick to go from 6-12w. One of the nicest features other than just being VW control is how this set up constantly monitors the resistance of your Atty/Carto as well. I've owned a ton of PV's and nothing out there makes an Atty/Carto jump the way these electronics do, nothing. If this where combined with Davids new contacts in a Precise it spells WIN all the way.