Sweetening Question?

[Laughingcat]

I like SWEET.......... But I'm having trouble with just how much sweeteners (EM, Cotton Candy or EZ-Sweetz) to add.

I'm finding that I have to add far more than expected with individual recipes.

My question is for you sweet lovers. Just how much percentage wise are you adding to get to your preferred amount?

 

[dannyv45]

It really depends on what your trying to make. Some flavors already have sweetener in them others don't. Rule of thumb start with 1% mix, steep then taste. If it's still not sweet enough repeat the process using 1% increments until it's to your liking.

 

[patkin]

A word of caution on the "sweet" factor. As a diabetic, I've been dealing with artificial sweetness for years and began encountering problems vaping. Here's what I've determined: All these "ols" can add up to some really uncomfortable bathroom issues. None of the "ols" are digestible. Thus, they cause bathroom/digestive issues. IE: propylene glycol, vegetable glycerin (glycol), ethyl maltitol, sorbitol. Some, like PG/VG (VG being the sweetest) can't be avoided vaping but adding a load of the other sweeteners to it is something I would do very slowly while paying attention for any unpleasant symptoms of digestive overload. You don't need to swallow the juice to get symptoms. You hold the vapor in your mouth and then drink to stay hydrated and the residue there washes down your throat so it winds up in your gut anyway even not drinking it by getting juice from the bottle in your mouth. Vape too many sweeteners and you'll know without a doubt and those around you will too through their noses. I can't even vape the really sweet tobaccos for this reason though I do love them. Of course I also use sorbitol in my coffee/drinks so its real overload.

 

[dannyv45]

A word of caution on the "sweet" factor. As a diabetic, I've been dealing with artificial sweetness for years and began encountering problems vaping. Here's what I've determined: All these "ols" can add up to some really uncomfortable bathroom issues. None of the "ols" are digestible. Thus, they cause bathroom/digestive issues. IE: propylene glycol, vegetable glycerin (glycol), ethyl maltitol, sorbitol. Some, like PG/VG (VG being the sweetest) can't be avoided vaping but adding a load of the other sweeteners to it is something I would do very slowly while paying attention for any unpleasant symptoms of digestive overload. You don't need to swallow the juice to get symptoms. You hold the vapor in your mouth and then drink to stay hydrated and the residue there washes down your throat so it winds up in your gut anyway even not drinking it by getting juice from the bottle in your mouth. Vape too many sweeteners and you'll know without a doubt and those around you will too through their noses. I can't even vape the really sweet tobaccos for this reason though I do love them. Of course I also use sorbitol in my coffee/drinks so its real overload.

That's odd I'm diabetic and never experienced those symtoms. You just may have a low tolerance for EM or sacarlos. I have experienced the gastric problems from time to time when eating certain sugarless treats but never from vaping.

 

[patkin]

Yeh, I may be. Even erythritol does it to me. I depend on Sucralose (sorbitol) because of allergy to aspartame, etc. so I get quite a bit of it in my Diet Rite, coffee, tea, etc. I can definitely tell when I've had too much. LOL A gal I know has to run fast within an half-hour of just one piece of candy with any "ol" in it so some are more sensitive than others. So, same, just take it easy paying attention as you go... you do swallow the stuff you vape.

 

[Laughingcat]

Patkin, "OLS" I'm not familiar with this acronym. Can you elaborate?

 

[Rickb119]

Hi, my name it Rick and I'm a sugarholic, so I can relate. I make juice that has DRY4, Caramel Candy, Bavarian Cream, Vanilla Swirl, Hazelnut Praline and English Toffee in it. Still wasn't sweet enough til I added 1 drop per 5 ml of liquid Stevia. Still playing around with the percentages and different brands (although it's good as is, I'm always looking for better), but it's definitely sweet enough.

If you decide to try the Stevia, be sure to get the KAL pure liquid. It's the best!

 

[Laughingcat]

Thanks for the input Rick'.

The KAL pure liquid. Is that considered a 'Clear' Stevia? That's as close as I can come with my local grocers.

 

[Rickb119]

KAL is the brand, and the only one I recommend. The others have a funny taste to them. KAL is just pure, good, sweet!

 

[patkin]

Patkin, "OLS" I'm not familiar with this acronym. Can you elaborate?

Its not an acronym. Here's a quote that might help explain:

"Polyols have names that end in "-ol," such as erythritol, mannitol, sorbitol, and xylitol. They are often called alcohol sugars, but they are neither alcohol nor sugar. Polyols are only partially absorbed by the body and have fewer calories than sugar. Excessive intake can cause gas, bloating, and ........ in some people."

There's a huge list of them and some definitely are in sweet ejuice and others may be. They're the same ones you see on diet food ingredients and there's usually a warning included about digestive problems.

 

[Laughingcat]

KAL is the brand, and the only one I recommend. The others have a funny taste to them. KAL is just pure, good, sweet!

Good enough for me, sourcing it now.

 

[Rickb119]

Let me know what you think of it. Every ones "buds" are a little different so you may not like it (but I certainly do). I'd start off with a small (5 ml) sample of something and add 1 drop, shake and vape. Keep in mind that sweet juices will gunk up your coil MUCH quicker. I'll run about 2-3 tanks (Protank 2) before dropping it in the recoil jar. If you don't recoil, I'd at least clean it (hot water or high grain clear alcohol) every tank or two.

 

[Aheadatime]

I'm vaping on a failed experiment right now. Reason it 'failed' is because it's too sweet, although it may be just what you're looking for. For sweeteners I used -

5% TFA Bavarian Cream
2% TFA Ethyl Maltol 10% Solution
1% TFA Sweetener
1% VZ SC Cream

Its too much for me to vape on for more than a few minutes, but you did say you like SWEET so I thought I'd share this with you. You can add any fruits/tobaccos/desserts you'd like and use this as the "sweet foundation".