Tacoma hospital group to refuse jobs to smokers

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Tacoma hospital group to refuse jobs to smokers

I find this to be very worrisome as they are basing it on finding nicotine in the system, as if their aren't other ways to get nicotine besides smoking a cigarette. I can't believe that things like this take place in this day & age, what's next if your cholesterol is too high you can't work there either?!?!?!
 

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The Cleveland Clinic in Ohio quit hiring smokers about 5 years ago, Memorial Hermann in Houston, TX quit hiring smokers back in July.

I would like to know of any hospitals that approve of employees using PVs (breakroom, outside, in their car, etc). I know i've seen patients use them on multiple occasions in more than 2 hospitals.
 

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Tacoma hospital group to refuse jobs to smokers

I find this to be very worrisome as they are basing it on finding nicotine in the system, as if their aren't other ways to get nicotine besides smoking a cigarette. I can't believe that things like this take place in this day & age, what's next if your cholesterol is too high you can't work there either?!?!?!

God, this .... is starting to give me a headache. It's getting to be like Groundhog Day. The issue as I see it (which is, of course the final word, ha!) is that the antis are always fine with this and those same people never envision themselves being such a target. They will refuse to believe it when we tell them that they could be next (obesity, etc). I just don't get how people are okay with allowing this to happen to anyone. I can only guess that people are lured into the group think by the feeling of superiority and exclusiveness it gives them. I hope they get run over by a semi loaded down with cartons of Marlboro reds.
 

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God, this .... is starting to give me a headache. It's getting to be like Groundhog Day. The issue as I see it (which is, of course the final word, ha!) is that the antis are always fine with this and those same people never envision themselves being such a target. They will refuse to believe it when we tell them that they could be next (obesity, etc). I just don't get how people are okay with allowing this to happen to anyone. I can only guess that people are lured into the group think by the feeling of superiority and exclusiveness it gives them. I hope they get run over by a semi loaded down with cartons of Marlboro reds.

LOL. You are a hoot! I'll meet you in Fredricksburg and we can enjoy a vape over a cuppa.
 

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Hiring practices are largely unregulated beyond the usual sex, race, etc prohibitions. In many states....they can do whatever they want. In fact...it is perfectly legal to refuse to hire someone because....get this...they are currently unemployed. I am not making that up. It was in the news recently that some employers only wanted currently-employed-elsewhere applicants because if someone is unemployed they are lazy and only people looking for a job while employed were go-getters. Or some similar nonsensical thinking.

It is now getting way too common to use taxes and employment to descriminate so to get around civil rights and liberties.
 

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Check out this article from the New York Times, which quotes Michael Siegal:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/11/us/11smoking.html?_r=1&hpw

“If enough of these companies adopt theses policies and it really becomes difficult for smokers to find jobs, there are going to be consequences,” said Dr. Michael Siegel, a professor at the Boston University School of Public Health, who has written about the trend. “Unemployment is also bad for health.”
 

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I sent this email to the seatlepi and sent a copy to the attorney quoted in the article, Lindsay Halm. (Hint, hint)

To the Editor


“Tacoma hospital group to refuse jobs to smokers” (2/11/11) reports that Franciscan Health System will not hire applicants with nicotine in their system. There is evidence that smoking increases health care costs. However, there no evidence that using nicotine from non-combusted sources increases health-care costs. Thus, there is no justification for denying employment based on nicotine testing.

Thirty percent of those who used nicotine gum to achieve smoking abstinence continue to use the gum long-term. In effect, Franciscan Health System would be punishing these former smokers solely based on the method they used to achieve and maintain smoking abstinence. In Sweden 66% of male smokers who used snus as a single smoking cessation aid managed to quit smoking completely. Swedish snus is a type of moist snuff treated to remove carcinogens. Research shows that these switchers live just as long as former smokers who gave up all use of tobacco. Like snus, other modern smoke-free tobacco products such as orbs and electronic cigarettes eliminate the harmful tar, carbon monoxide, particulates, and thousands of chemicals found in smoke. These products are also very low in carcinogens.

In clinical trials of nicotine replacement products it is impossible to verify smoking status by measuring nicotine. Instead, researchers measure exhaled carbon monoxide, because this test differentiates between smokers and those with nicotine from less harmful sources in their system. If the Franciscan Health System refuses to change its testing method, perhaps some enterprising attorney can organize a class action suit on behalf of former smokers denied employment because they use an effective method to prevent relapsing to smoking.
 

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The answer is easy - start a Vaper's Church where your beliefs are founded on vaping. Then they can't discriminate.

It wouldn't be that much of a stretch. There's a lot of people who call them a "godsend" and who is to say that god doesn't want people to live longer, healthier lives by vaping? It's just one step away from what people are already saying.
 
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