Taifun GT Discusion!

[nelsonm64]

morning! vapor freak responded favorably to my inquiry concerning a group buy for the different size tanks and top caps - checking the co-op rules and regulations i believe i can open an interest thread ahead of closing out my odds and ends co-op.
so, y'all look out for a planning thread by the end of today wan cannot figure out a discount until he knows exactly what quantities we are talking about. he will also check with dhl for shipping quotes since the way they usually send orders - by registered mail - would not be very cost-effective.
please, note - only verified members will be able to participate IF this gets going. if you are still not verified start the process by clicking on the link on any verified member's avi

i'm very interested, I want one or two XS tanks.

 

[tiburonfirst]

and i've opened the thread ahead of my going to town this morning ...........

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...528890-taifun-gt-tanks-caps.html#post12267700

and to give y'all an idea - unless we get at least a 25% reduction for buying in quantity it won't be worth it, imo

 

[nelsonm64]

and i've opened the thread ahead of my going to town this morning ...........

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...528890-taifun-gt-tanks-caps.html#post12267700

and to give y'all an idea - unless we get at least a 25% reduction for buying in quantity it won't be worth it, imo

agreed! .....

 

[dwarfcat]

Im going to break my rambling into portions here and hope someone reads its and responds


Im part of this crew meow. The GF surprised me with a Hcigar taifun for valentines day. The guy at the vape store created me a coil using cotton that he claimed to come out to 1.8 OHMS. When I strapped it onto my provari it read at .8 and could only fire at like 2.9v. Also, right from the start it was completely flooded in a manner in which I couldnt rectify. I took it all apart and saw that he didnt pull up the sides around the coil when he installed it. So, I took the cap off and shook all the juice out and installed it properly and immediate flood. Got angry, sat it down and went to bed.

Woke up at 9am and drove to the store. Talked with the guy and said I wanted a 2ish ohm coil etc and something that wouldnt flood. So he wrapped me up a coil that on the bench tested at 2ohms, stuck a cotton wick in it and a strip of silica wick on top. We messed with it and it fired ok. Went home and GURGLE GURGLE flooded. I took it apart and added two silica strands over the coil and cotton assembly and still GURGLE GURGLE flood. Since I was leaving for Indy for the weekend I just tossed it on the bar and we went about our business. Came back sunday night and the thing seems to have healed itself. It doesnt flood and the coil reads 2.7 on the provari. The vape quantity is decent and the taste is ok. However, ive always read these things should be cleaned before using and im almost certain he didnt clean it. Now, I dont know if its all in my head or not but the vape "taste ok, but a bit off" and im paranoid about sucking in machine oil fumes.

Now im basically at the point where I just want to break the entire thing down, soak it in vodka and clean the daylights out of it and start over. Ive been doing some research and think I want to do a cotton micro coil with kanthal and a few strands of silica wick on top to prevent flooding. The issue is im a complete noob. I have a wire cutter and thats about it. I was hoping someone could make me an itemized list of exactly what I should buy for a little kit to make my life and ventures into this as easy as possible. Sorry for the rambling but this has been alot to take in

edit: oh and boiling cotton?? like dump the bag of cotton balls in water and boil?

 

[HumbleTex]

Gah .. guess I should've taken steps to get verified sooner. If the thread is still live when my status changes I'll join in and buy some stuff.

 

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

Im going to break my rambling into portions here and hope someone reads its and responds


Im part of this crew meow. The GF surprised me with a Hcigar taifun for valentines day. The guy at the vape store created me a coil using cotton that he claimed to come out to 1.8 OHMS. When I strapped it onto my provari it read at .8 and could only fire at like 2.9v. Also, right from the start it was completely flooded in a manner in which I couldnt rectify. I took it all apart and saw that he didnt pull up the sides around the coil when he installed it. So, I took the cap off and shook all the juice out and installed it properly and immediate flood. Got angry, sat it down and went to bed.

Woke up at 9am and drove to the store. Talked with the guy and said I wanted a 2ish ohm coil etc and something that wouldnt flood. So he wrapped me up a coil that on the bench tested at 2ohms, stuck a cotton wick in it and a strip of silica wick on top. We messed with it and it fired ok. Went home and GURGLE GURGLE flooded. I took it apart and added two silica strands over the coil and cotton assembly and still GURGLE GURGLE flood. Since I was leaving for Indy for the weekend I just tossed it on the bar and we went about our business. Came back sunday night and the thing seems to have healed itself. It doesnt flood and the coil reads 2.7 on the provari. The vape quantity is decent and the taste is ok. However, ive always read these things should be cleaned before using and im almost certain he didnt clean it. Now, I dont know if its all in my head or not but the vape "taste ok, but a bit off" and im paranoid about sucking in machine oil fumes.

Now im basically at the point where I just want to break the entire thing down, soak it in vodka and clean the daylights out of it and start over. Ive been doing some research and think I want to do a cotton micro coil with kanthal and a few strands of silica wick on top to prevent flooding. The issue is im a complete noob. I have a wire cutter and thats about it. I was hoping someone could make me an itemized list of exactly what I should buy for a little kit to make my life and ventures into this as easy as possible. Sorry for the rambling but this has been alot to take in

edit: oh and boiling cotton?? like dump the bag of cotton balls in water and boil?

Yes, RTA's can be frustrating, but they also provide a heckuva good vape. Regarding cotton, you can boil it, most don't. If you do, boil for 15 minutes in distilled water. Drain. Boil for 5 more minutes. Drain. Dry 24 hours. Should last a year or so. I used to boil mine, but don't anymore, and can't tell a difference. But, that's just me.

Regarding cleaning the topper. I would break it down and clean thoroughly. These devices all come dirty from manufacture. They are not ready to go. Soaking in vodka, then rinsing with distilled water, draining, drying and assembling should work wonders to improve the flavor.

Regarding flooding, it's all about maintaining the pressure seal. If the seal breaks, you can gurgle, flood, and then leak through the air hole. It does happen. Refill the tank and assemble. Cover the air hole and take two or three primer puffs with your finger on the air hole. This will re-establish negative pressure in the tank. The primer puffs can, themselves, cause flooding. Turn topper upside down allowing air to come to the top of the tank. Blow through the air hole with drip tip pointing down. Run a pipe cleaner into the chimney. Will in all likelihood stop the flooding. If not repeat until flooding stops. Eventually, this will always re-establish pressure and stop the leaking. Here's a couple of blogs from State O'Flux on this matter:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...type-atomizers-new-vapists-how-they-work.html

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-kayfun-air-vent-leaking-thread-response.html

Good luck with that!

 

[silber]

^ This, but in addition the weird taste you are getting could be from putting wicks ontop of your cotton wick. I've found that adding a "flavor wick" in the taifun, when using a cotton main wick, causes the air flow to not sufficiently cool the coil so your cotton will singe and start tasting bad. You should also clean the atty, but try building it without flavor wicks.

 

[jpcwon]

^ This, but in addition the weird taste you are getting could be from putting wicks ontop of your cotton wick. I've found that adding a "flavor wick" in the taifun, when using a cotton main wick, causes the air flow to not sufficiently cool the coil so your cotton will singe and start tasting bad. You should also clean the atty, but try building it without flavor wicks.

+1... I tried building the Taifun with extra cotton, but it stifled the wick & caused dry hits.....I found that you need to find juuuuust the right amount of cotton...to little & it will flood....too much & it will cause dry hits....But once you have it dialed in it vapes like a champ with cotton!!

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[HumbleTex]

I'm still trying to find that magical amount of cotton. I've had to add a thin flavor wick over the top of both cotton wicks I've used and while it hasn't caused any dry hits it does definitely tighten up the draw on it.

I think I may try using the same amount of cotton but leaving the ends longer and then folding the excess length back into the chamber. Basically creating loops out at the ends of the wick so I have more wick in the tank and that doubled thickness will help seal the chamber so I don't get any gurgling.

I think Bill mentioned doing something similiar but I'm not positive. It may be a case of my old timers disease kicking in so if someone else mentioned it to me I apologize. Not trying to steal anyone's idea and claim it as my own.

 

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

I'm still trying to find that magical amount of cotton. I've had to add a thin flavor wick over the top of both cotton wicks I've used and while it hasn't caused any dry hits it does definitely tighten up the draw on it.

I think I may try using the same amount of cotton but leaving the ends longer and then folding the excess length back into the chamber. Basically creating loops out at the ends of the wick so I have more wick in the tank and that doubled thickness will help seal the chamber so I don't get any gurgling.

I think Bill mentioned doing something similiar but I'm not positive. It may be a case of my old timers disease kicking in so if someone else mentioned it to me I apologize. Not trying to steal anyone's idea and claim it as my own.

Yes, this works for me. Do not put cotton on top of the coil. A little cotton goes a long way. A good amount can kill the air flow and vapor.

 

[dwarfcat]

Thanks for the tips! When my grants custard gets here im going to bite the bullet and clean, coil and wick this beast by myself.

 

[HumbleTex]

Yes, this works for me. Do not put cotton on top of the coil. A little cotton goes a long way. A good amount can kill the air flow and vapor.

So you're creating loops at the end of each wick and folding it back into the chamber leaving roughly how much per side sticking into the tank? I was thinking trimming my cotton around 6-7mm, per side, outside the chamber walls. I figured that'd give me enough to leave 2-2.5mm wicks into the tank and allow enough to get back under the top cap to seal it.

Does that sound about right?

Can't wait for my 28AWG Kanthal to come in. I've been making my coils out of 30AWG which meant fewer wraps which equals less surface area on the wick. Have to think that going to 8-9 wraps and putting more surface on the wick has got to enhance flavor. If it does, I may give ribbon a shot and see how that works.

 

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

So you're creating loops at the end of each wick and folding it back into the chamber leaving roughly how much per side sticking into the tank? I was thinking trimming my cotton around 6-7mm, per side, outside the chamber walls. I figured that'd give me enough to leave 2-2.5mm wicks into the tank and allow enough to get back under the top cap to seal it.

Does that sound about right?

Can't wait for my 28AWG Kanthal to come in. I've been making my coils out of 30AWG which meant fewer wraps which equals less surface area on the wick. Have to think that going to 8-9 wraps and putting more surface on the wick has got to enhance flavor. If it does, I may give ribbon a shot and see how that works.

When I fold it back in, I'm careful to make sure and not get any "extra" cotton wick on top of the coil. So, a bit short of reaching the coil. I leave enough sticking out to give me a nice "plug" and wicking area with the cotton. I use a 1/16" mandrel, so you can figure a wick for that, coming out the wicking holes on each end of the chamber, and then folded back over on themselves, but not touching the coil. This wicks great, hasn't flooded [yet] (overwicking), and still keeps the air flow ok. I need to fix my air flow. I'm ok with it stock at 1.2mm. But I've got 1.5mm coming, and I'll try that, then remove the whole tube and try it. Maybe even the bushing. I need more air flow above the stock amount. My White Fog order has been trapped in Los Angeles for a week now, so I guess maybe end of this week, we'll see. Best!

P.S. I use mostly 28 gauge kanthal, but have some 29 gauge on the way that I intend to put through it's paces. I have not had as good of luck with the 30 gauge, but used it quite a while before switching to the 28, now maybe 29. I'm getting close to my sweet spot. Love my coil at about 1.2 Ohms, so about 9 or 10 wraps will do that for me at 28 gauge on a 1/16" mandrel. With 30 gauge that's only, what, 5 or 6 wraps? Not enough surface area. Surface area is an area I'm just now beginning to experiment with. Surface area increases of 30% are possible with twisted wire, and why they are gaining in popularity. I'll get there soon. I want to fix my air flow first. Best!

 

[Phone Guy]

I occasionally do the same thing, folding the excess back into the chamber...but once you get used to the magic thickness, single piece of cotton works great.

And if I remember correctly 2 pieces of peaches & cream works too however I personally feel the cotton ball wicks a little better...

 

[Friscoweather]

I build my Taifun using 400 SS mesh along with a 3mm Eckowool flavor wick and I never have any problems.

The only thing you need to be aware of is the length of the fw. Make sure that it's long enough or it will get "sucked" into the chamber and cause it to flood.

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[silber]

For people trying to dial in the right amount of cotton, using a larger inner diameter coil than you would normally do in other attys helps. I wrap around a 2mm screwdriver personally. Too big and you get a bad vape, but making it slightly oversized helps with being able to get enough cotton in the channels without making the coil area a chokepoint for juice flow.

 

[HumbleTex]

I'm using a 5/64 drill right now but the 28 AWG I had on order from Temco is supposed to be in today. I'll try both diameters and see if it makes a difference. I was pretty close on my last build so I think I can get there without increasing my coil size.

 

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

I like micro coils and use a 1/16" mandrel with 28 gauge. I get plenty of cotton. I've never had a dry hit on the Taifun, unless I inadvertently failed to refill in time to avoid drying out the wick. On the other hand, I have had flooding, which may be caused by too little wick, but is most often caused by too much wick. Overwicking is a potential problem with gurgling, flooding and leaking in any tank atty. The key is always to balance the air flow and juice flow and maintain a pressure seal. The Taifun does this rather well, better than my Kayfun, in fact. Because micro coils (.0650" or less ID) provide such a great vape by concentrating the heat near optimum, I actually get a worse vape with larger coils and more wick. YMMV. I do use 5/64" coils on some builds, but this is a mini coil, not a micro coil. Micro coils speak not only to coil geometry but also to coil size. For me, they produce superior flavor and vapor at high heat settings (10 Watts and higher). Good luck!

 

[HumbleTex]

Wow .. hard to believe how much difference going from 30 AWG to 28 AWG can make in your vape. 2 coils, both with the same resistance, and the difference between them is like night and day. With the 28 AWG I use more wraps for a given resistance which gives me more surface area on the wick and it's really striking how different they vape. The vape seems warmer, with more flavor and more vapor production.

I'm going to try out a few more coil/wick combos but if keep seeing the same performance I'm going to go ahead and order some ribbon. I'm guessing at some point I'll run into diminishing returns trying to maximize coil/wick contact surface but I never would've believed it would make as much difference as it did.

 

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

Wow .. hard to believe how much difference going from 30 AWG to 28 AWG can make in your vape. 2 coils, both with the same resistance, and the difference between them is like night and day. With the 28 AWG I use more wraps for a given resistance which gives me more surface area on the wick and it's really striking how different they vape. The vape seems warmer, with more flavor and more vapor production.

I'm going to try out a few more coil/wick combos but if keep seeing the same performance I'm going to go ahead and order some ribbon. I'm guessing at some point I'll run into diminishing returns trying to maximize coil/wick contact surface but I never would've believed it would make as much difference as it did.

Now you're talking! By the way, I finished my mandrel coiler:



The tension, compression and adhesion that can be imparted with this mandrel setup is pretty extreme, particularly compared to hand wrapping. With a fixed spool dereeler on the front side, particularly with adjustable drag, the force is sick. I just have to add the drag de-reeler to the setup and I'm finally done with this little coil jig. Anyway, my two cents.....