Taste is subjective and KBV

[videoequus]

Actually I like their carmel cap better then bwb,to me its a better less artificial flavor.. I just wish it was stronger..
If you like coffee flavors the one I just tried that I think is the best I have tried hands down is Vaperite.. Organic Coffee with added french vanilla..not a sweet taste,and no big throat hit,but enough you feel it... I hesitated to order from vaperite because of the price,and my long tack record of juice fails... I got a 5 mil sample in a trade for one of my backwoods tobaccos... It was by far the best juice I have ever tried.. I should qualify that with, I am chemically sensitive.. I taste chemicals in most frozen grocery food,fast food etc... Artificial flavors just sort of taste weird to me usually,as do most cartos.. as did the ce2 clearomizers... those tasted horrid.. I was so sad about that,as I had heard so much about how the flavor was great.. So the organic coffee dripped was awesome for me... To claify one more level, I did not know that it was the organic coffee when I tried it, in the shipment of samples I got in the trade,she labeled that one coffee /w vanilla 24 mg.. I wrote her to ask what is that one,its amazing.....

 

[CASEACE79]

I know this is going to cause some controversy but I love having a healthy debate. I agree that taste is mostly subjective but is there room for objectivity when it comes to taste? I think that there is. Lets pick something like strawberries. If someone has never had a strawberry and we know that out of 100 people tested only 1 person disliked strawberries. Isn't it safe to say with 99% certainty that the person who tried the strawberry would enjoy it? Now lets take a burned cheeseburger (and when I say burned I mean charcoal brick burnt) if someone had never tried it and again out of 100 people tested 99 disliked it. It would also be safe to say that the person who hasn't tried it probably wouldn't like it. Now I know that these are extreme examples and most of what we taste fall somewhere in the middle, but this brings up a good point. There is a small amount of objectivity when it comes to taste. This is the exact thing that lets us have juices that seem to get a lot of lip service from the community. Juices like RY4, Boba"s Bounty, Atomic Cinnacide, and many others are at the top of so many of our lists. Now there are always going to be juices like Honey Beez that some love and others can't stand but that also happens in food. Sushi is a great example. Those of us that love it really love it and those that don't absolutely hate it. (BTW you're wrong! lol) Very rarely do you find someone who says it's just ok. So what's the point of all this besides to make a point? To let reviewers know that you shouldn't have to preface your reviews with "Taste is completely subjective." because it's not. If you like a juice just say that you think most people will enjoy it if they enjoy that type of flavor.
-Just my 2 cents!

 

[dgreen]

Personally, I ordered from Kick Bass Vapors because of all the + reviews and on the main ordering thread it said something to the effect of "with quality ingredients we believe we have achieved the perfect TH". How one precieves TH may depend on what kind of cigs they smoked in the past. I smoked Menthol Light cigs, so when I took a drag I could definitely tell I was inhaling something. If I smoked a Newport Menthol cig, It would obviously have a much stronger TH. But if I smoked something like a Marb light (non menthol) it was like a was inhaling vapor, similar to what I am experiencing with my KBV juice.

The main problem I have with my above theory is.

30mg to 24mg =Should be a strong TH

16mg = Light TH

6mg = minimal TH (Possibly not even noticable)

When I order juice at 24mg, I expect there is be a strong TH. I understand certain PG-VG ratios may effect this, but even juice with a 50/50 mix @ 24mg should definitely provide some sort of noticable TH.


I have since been in contact with boB @ KBV and he is going to try and mix me up a different ratio to see if we can get the desired TH I am after. Maybe an 80/20 blend will be a better option. I'm glad boB stand behind his products and is willing to help even the pickiest customers

 

[NCVapingLady]

Personally, I ordered from Kick Bass Vapors because of all the + reviews and on the main ordering thread it said something to the effect of "with quality ingredients we believe we have achieved the perfect TH". How one precieves TH may depend on what kind of cigs they smoked in the past. I smoked Menthol Light cigs, so when I took a drag I could definitely tell I was inhaling something. If I smoked a Newport Menthol cig, It would obviously have a much stronger TH. But if I smoked something like a Marb light (non menthol) it was like a was inhaling vapor, similar to what I am experiencing with my KBV juice.

The main problem I have with my above theory is.

30mg to 24mg =Should be a strong TH

16mg = Light TH

6mg = minimal TH (Possibly not even noticable)

When I order juice at 24mg, I expect there is be a strong TH. I understand certain PG-VG ratios may effect this, but even juice with a 50/50 mix @ 24mg should definitely provide some sort of noticable TH.


I have since been in contact with boB @ KBV and he is going to try and mix me up a different ratio to see if we can get the desired TH I am after. Maybe an 80/20 blend will be a better option. I'm glad boB stand behind his products and is willing to help even the pickiest customers

Not only is taste a subjective note, but TH is as well. You will not only find more TH with higher nic content, but also with a higher PG content. KBV lists their ratios as 40PG/60VG. Higher VG=lesser TH. And while, I am not trying to stand up for KBV, I just wanted to point out that when it comes to TH, it is a buyer beware type of theory. I've bought from many a juice vendor who provided a higher PG to VG ratio, and not received a very good TH. I vape with 24MG nic and I find that some of KBVs juice provide the TH that I am looking for, but some other flavors, not so much. Again, I think, IMO, that it is all what an individual is either used to or perceives when it comes to both taste and TH.
I do hope that KBV is able to help you out in finding your TH nirvana.
Happy !

 

[sickofanalogs]

Enjoying this thread so much. I am totally new to KBV and just put in an order yesterday. I heard all the reviews and just had to try them. Ok, my question is this: I ordered 4 juices and got them all in 12 & 18 mg nic content and 70/30 pg and vg ratios. I ordered them all with double flavor. Do you think this is a good idea? I thought what the heck, it's only ,50 more so I might as well. I ordered carm capp, skipping stones, candy bar and I think choc covered pretzels.

 

[videoequus]

Ill be really interested to hear your take on them sickof.. I was going to do the same thing. Ive been on a mission to make my own coffee vapes,but the flavor of KBV was really awesome,and even mine that I felt lacked flavor,after having steeped a few weeks was much stronger. I still dont get the whole steeping thing,but ime it is actually true. The 70/30 with extra is what I planned to do also.

 

[dspin]

A good chemist will adjust all flavorings to vg/pg ratios - You cannot just add the same amt of flavor to all the diff. ratios. It can be done where they will taste the same, but it is alot of work. There is no reason not to have throat hit w/even an all VG juice. If a company is not going to do all that extra work then they should maybe only offer one ratio. Yes I have tried this company and know what you are talking about.

Thanks for the ideas of adding PGA I may have to try that. I did email boB and asked if he would be willing to remix the (4) bottles of juice that I bought because there is no throat hit and lets just say he seemed like he was less than excited about the idea. I even offered to send back the stuff I just bought. What is the point of ordering e liquid @ 24mg If Im not getting any TH? If I didn't want any throat hit I would have ordered 0mg or 6mg.

I did see on his site that it did have the "make me choke" option but when I ordered I did it through the ordering thread on ECF and asked for his recommendation on a good mix that wouldn't compromise flavor but would give a good throat hit and he replied 60 / 40 PG VG ratio. The first (2) bottles were 50/50 mixed

Some may think I am asking alot by having my juice remade but when I spend my hard earned money I expect to be satisfied within reason.

I have been in contact with boB so we will see if he responds to my reply. Needless to say that if KBV cant show me that they can make a good juice with throat hit, I wont be purchasing any further juice from them.