Tenergy RCR123 what gives???

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Ok heres my question. I bought these blue tenergy RCR123a 900mah thinking these would be better than the yellow tenergy RCR123a 750mah but they arent. The yellow ones I've traded because thinking the blue ones are better, if not worst cass scenario perform the same. But, it seems the yellow ones produce more vapor on my GGTS. I want the same performance as what I'm getting from a LR901 in a AFS V2 on a SB with a 3.7volt 18650 tenergy... What does you guys think should I invest in some high drain AW ICR123a or just buy the yellow tenergy 750mah RCR123a again ???
please advise and inform me the difference and which I should get... thank you
 

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I'm fighting this battle a little differently trying to get the right ohm cartomizer to maximize my 3.7V battery (18500). You may be running into an overstatement problem or chemistry issue. I still dont know enough about the chemistry to believe I need to get an IMR, I think thats what you are calling high drain. When I find the right ohm (1.7 or 2.?) then I can see how the battery behaves. Remember to do your homework, not the possibly overstated performance that sometimes is an issue.

I dont like the 123's so cant really help you with them directly. But if performance is an issue, look at the whole package and make sure you're not tying the batteries hands behind it's back like I am with a high ohm cartomizer.
 

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Did you get the charger specifically for the blue batteries? The yellow and blue have a different charger that looks identical at a glance.

I don't remember the yellow battery charger output exactly, but I have the one for blue batteries on my desk in front of me. The output is "4.5Vd.c. 360mA". I distinctly remember the other charger does not have that output. As such, it will not charge these batteries to full capacity.

Easter Egg: On the back of both chargers, it says the following:

Red LED --Charge
Red LED turn to Green --Fully charged
Green LED --No battery be detected

Thought that was an amusing error.
 

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Did you get the charger specifically for the blue batteries? The yellow and blue have a different charger that looks identical at a glance.

I don't remember the yellow battery charger output exactly, but I have the one for blue batteries on my desk in front of me. The output is "4.5Vd.c. 360mA". I distinctly remember the other charger does not have that output. As such, it will not charge these batteries to full capacity.

Easter Egg: On the back of both chargers, it says the following:



Thought that was an amusing error.
I'm using a Tenergy Multi-Charger to charge the blue batteries.

and actually the yellow charger shows a yellowish/greenish color on the LED when its fully charged.
 
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Any idea what the output rates are?

For example, The yellow charger here states at the bottom that it is not compatible with the blue batteries, and the blue charger says the same for yellow.

I don't know the specifics of your charger, but I am *guessing* that's the problem. I was brave and wanted to see if an old set of blue would do anything in the yellow charger...they don't come anywhere close to a full charge.

Of course, I may be wrong. My $0.02.
 

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Ok heres my question. I bought these blue tenergy RCR123a 900mah thinking these would be better than the yellow tenergy RCR123a 750mah but they arent. The yellow ones I've traded because thinking the blue ones are better, if not worst cass scenario perform the same. But, it seems the yellow ones produce more vapor on my GGTS. I want the same performance as what I'm getting from a LR901 in a AFS V2 on a SB with a 3.7volt 18650 tenergy... What does you guys think should I invest in some high drain AW ICR123a or just buy the yellow tenergy 750mah RCR123a again ???
please advise and inform me the difference and which I should get... thank you

ok I think there's a couple of issues that could be going on..and lets see if I can logically tackle them all....
first I'll assume we're talking about both of them being 3V batteries..
these : Tenergy LiFePO4 RCR123A 3.0V 750mAh Rechargeable Battery
versus
these: Tenergy RCR123A 3.0V 900mAh Rechargeable Li-Ion Battery

both of them are going to have seperate issues... and some of those are going to be dependant on the Ω of the atty being used...

the first big difference you're looking at is that one is LiFePo (yellow) versus Li-Ion (blue)
so you got the yellow that doesnt have a PCB and the blue that not only has the PCB but an internal voltage regulator on it (and I think that that is your problem in a nutshell)

here's where which atty and the Ω comes into play....and where the difference would be from your 18650

basically what we got is that the max drain rate of your 18650 battery is higher than the amp draw of the LR atty at 3.7V... which is a good thing...

when you stack the yellow tenergy for 6V the max drain rate of the battery is lower (<.55A) than the amp draw of even a HV atty at 6V (so it's going to have a weaker hit and you're going to overstress the batteries alot causing them to have a reduced overall lifespan too)

when you stack the blue tenergy though....depending on what atty you're using ....that PCB it has in it first regulates the voltage down to 3V within 12ms (versus a fully charged 3V battery that charges up to 3.6V).... then on top of that the excess current threshold and excess current detection that's unique to that PCB may be holding the battery back as it were (in addition to it likely exceeding the max drain rate of the battery and overstressing it)

I wouldn't nessicarily suggest the AW IMR high drains either though because those are 3.7V batteries and stacking them will be 7.4V which might be entirely too much...
I'd look at the AW 3V LiFePo4 batteries though ( AW LiFePO4 3 Volt Lithium Rechargeable Battery ) (which have a higher max drain rate than the yellow tenergy) with a standard 901 atty ( reasoning being that a 1.5Ω LR901 atty puts out 9.13W at 3.7V....and a standard 3.7Ω 901 atty would put out 9.73W at 6V....so just slightly warmer)


I'm fighting this battle a little differently trying to get the right ohm cartomizer to maximize my 3.7V battery (18500). You may be running into an overstatement problem or chemistry issue. I still dont know enough about the chemistry to believe I need to get an IMR, I think thats what you are calling high drain. When I find the right ohm (1.7 or 2.?) then I can see how the battery behaves. Remember to do your homework, not the possibly overstated performance that sometimes is an issue.

I dont like the 123's so cant really help you with them directly. But if performance is an issue, look at the whole package and make sure you're not tying the batteries hands behind it's back like I am with a high ohm cartomizer.

in the higher mAh batteries like 18650 the IMR high drains really don't make a difference...where you'd see it is in smaller batteries like the 14500 and the 16340 (CR123a) sizes and stacking batteries for 6V and 7.4V.... the difference is in whether or not the Drain rate of the battery can keep up with the Amp draw of a atty at a given voltage...
 

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yeah if you're charging the 3V yellow LiFePos on that they're getting overcharged on top of it too... they should only be being charged to 3.6V max...4.2V is way too much
I dont have yellow anymore because of a trade but got some ordered... The blue ones is getting charged with multicharger... So your suggesting it the charger???
 

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I dont have yellow anymore because of a trade but got some ordered... The blue ones is getting charged with multicharger... So your suggesting it the charger???

I'm suggesting it's the charger and they're being overcharged...they're 3V batteries so they should be being charged to 3.6V max...which you would need a charger with a selectable output for that ...or the charger made and sold specifically for those batteries

in addition to that PCB that's on it...that's regulating them down to 3V each...they'd seem weaker than the yellows stacked because those will start off at 3.6V each where the blues regulate themselves down to 3V each...

and that the PCB that's in them may be hitting it's voltage regulator so you're not even getting that because of the amp draw of what atty you're using at 6V versus the battery's max drain conflict...

i'd dump the tenergy batteries all together and get the AW 3V LiFePo4 if it were me...or stack the AW IMRs and find an appropriate atty...
but the AW LiFePo4 with a regular 901 should give you close performance to your LR901 at 3.7V
 

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I'm suggesting it's the charger and they're being overcharged...they're 3V batteries so they should be being charged to 3.6V max...which you would need a charger with a selectable output for that ...or the charger made and sold specifically for those batteries

in addition to that PCB that's on it...that's regulating them down to 3V each...they'd seem weaker than the yellows stacked because those will start off at 3.6V each where the blues regulate themselves down to 3V each...

and that the PCB that's in them may be hitting it's voltage regulator so you're not even getting that because of the amp draw of what atty you're using at 6V versus the battery's max drain conflict...

i'd dump the tenergy batteries all together and get the AW 3V LiFePo4 if it were me...or stack the AW IMRs and find an appropriate atty...
but the AW LiFePo4 with a regular 901 should give you close performance to your LR901 at 3.7V
I'm using a i6 high volt atty... I dont like using a regular voltage atty on 6volt burns up the juice too quickly... I like thick thick vapor and like it alittle warm, dont like it too hot like what you get from 3volt atty @ 6volt.

I'm planning on purchasing some HV 901 atties from ikenvape ...
 

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I'm using a i6 high volt atty... I dont like using a regular voltage atty on 6volt burns up the juice too quickly... I like thick thick vapor and like it alittle warm, dont like it too hot like what you get from 3volt atty @ 6volt.

I'm planning on purchasing some HV 901 atties from ikenvape ...

right what I was saying is that the wattage of a 1.5Ω LR901 atty at 3.7V....and a stock 3.7Ω 901 atty at 6V are similar in wattage and heat...both in the 9W range....originally you had said that you wanted it close to the same as the LR901 on a 18650 at 3.7V
 

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right what I was saying is that the wattage of a 1.5Ω LR901 atty at 3.7V....and a stock 3.7Ω 901 atty at 6V are similar in wattage and heat...both in the 9W range....originally you had said that you wanted it close to the same as the LR901 on a 18650 at 3.7V


ops.. I didnt mention that ...

What I wanted was the performance on my GGTS with the AVS with HV 901 atty on 6 volts to act like a LR901 atty in a AFS on a SB powered by a 18650 ... I want the same vapor production ... The GGTS with the AVS and the LR 901 atty powered by 18650 makes the same vapor ... I think its the batteries... I use to get the same vapor on my GGTS with the yellow batteries using a HV 901...

But, now with these blue tenergy 900mah batteries ... Performance and vapor production isnt there... Can I buy those AW 16340 LifePO4 3 volt batteries and it will be the same ???
 
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ops.. I didnt mention that ...

What I wanted was the performance on my GGTS with the AVS with HV 901 atty on 6 volts to act like a LR901 atty in a AFS on a SB powered by a 18650 ... I want the same vapor production ... The GGTS with the AVS and the LR 901 atty powered by 18650 makes the same vapor ... I think its the batteries... I use to get the same vapor on my GGTS with the yellow batteries using a HV 901...

But, now with these blue tenergy 900mah batteries ... Performance and vapor production isnt there... Can I buy those AW 16340 LifePO4 3 volt batteries and it will be the same ???

the AW 16340 LiFePo4 should perform stronger than both the blue and the yellow tenergy...

look at the specs on the yellow tenergy... see where it says
" Maximum discharging rate:< 550 mA "

that's saying there's a max drain rate of <.55A on those batteries
the amp draw of a 4.5Ω HV atty at 6V is 1.33A

so see where the battery is woefully underpowered and being overstressed by regular usage...

now the AW 16340 3V LiFePo4 has a 10C discharge rate which translates to <4.5A so it's capable of way more than the 1.33A needed
 
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