Tennessee Call to Action!

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kristin

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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Tennessee bills HB 1729 and SB 0910 (PDF)[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] - As introduced, prohibits sale of electronic cigarettes to minors; prohibits distribution and sale of nicotine delivery products or devices that have not been approved by FDA as tobacco use cessation products. - Amends TCA Title 39, Chapter 17, Part 15 and Title 39, Chapter 17, Part 1. [/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]This Bill would: [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Ban the sale of electronic cigarettes to ADULT smokers. [/FONT]
 

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NOTE: Although there is both a Senate and a House version, I will speak of the bill in the singular, since the wording is essentially identical; and if amended, both houses would have to negotiate on the wording to pass a single law that would go to the Governor for signature.

This bill was very cleverly constructed to mislead the lawmakers in TN. It amends portions of an existing law, Title 39 - Criminal Offenses, Chapter 17 - Offenses Against Public Health, Safety and Welfare.

SECTIONS 1 through 17 of the bill amend the portion of this law that deals with tobacco use by children: Part 15 – Prevention of Youth Access to Tobacco.

SECTION 18 amends Part 1 – Miscellaneous to make it a Class B Misdemeanor, punishable by a $10,000 fine, to sell electronic cigarettes to any citizen, regardless of age. An exception is made for products approved by the FDA as drug devices; however, federal courts have ruled that the FDA cannot regulate the products as drug devices unless a therapeutic claim is made.

Part 1 - Miscellaneous of Title 39, Chapter 17 is a catchall place for criminal offenses that don't fit into any of the other Parts. It includes such offenses as
•39-17-105 - Charge for use of public toilet facility prohibited.
•39-17-112 - False academic degrees.
•39-17-114 - Transportation of illegal aliens.

If passed, SECTION 18 would create a new category, probably designated "39-17-116" with a descriptive title such as "Sale of electronic cigarettes prohibited."

The wording of SECTION 18 of HB 1729 and SB 0910 is as follows:

SECTION 18. Tennessee Code Annotated, Title 39, Chapter 17, Part 1, is amended by adding the following language as a new, appropriately designated section: 39-17-1__.
(a) It is an offense to distribute or sell any product or device containing or delivering nicotine intended or expected for human consumption that is not a tobacco product, as defined in § 39-17-1503, unless such product or device has been approved by the United States food and drug administration for sale as a tobacco use cessation or harm reduction product or for other medical purposes and is being marketed and sold solely for that approved purpose.
(b) A violation of subsection (a) is a Class B misdemeanor. Each day a violation occurs constitutes a separate offense.
(c) In addition to the penalties prescribed in subsection (b), the district attorney general for the county in which the violation occurred may apply for an order compelling compliance with this section. In any such proceeding, the court may impose a civil penalty in an amount not to exceed ten thousand dollars ($10,000) for each violation.​

Notice that nothing in this wording specifies that it applies only to sales of electronic cigarettes to youth. When you speak to your own Senator or Representative, be sure to point out that SECTION 18 would ban sales of electronic cigarettes altogether, and would also ban sales of all vegetables that contain nicotine such as tomatoes, potatoes, and eggplant, since these meet the definition. SECTION 18 needs to be deleted.
 
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markdpman

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I sent off emails in my name, wifes, grand daughter. I got only 1 response.


I am looking into this issue and plan to contact the sponsor regarding
Item #18 in this bill which is the subject of complaint. I expect this
item to be amended which should correct the legislation.

Please let us know in the future if you have a concern or if I can
assist you in any way.

Very Best Regards,
Representative Dale Ford
Tennessee General Assembly
202A War Memorial Building
Nashville, TN 37243
(615) 741-1717

This doesn't appear to be a generic response since he mentions the section 18. Hopefully this is a good sign. I still plan to send emails off from many more family members.
 

Vocalek

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Cool! That's a great response. The House sponsors are going to be contacted by the Senate sponsor as well, who had no idea that he had been conned into sponsoring a bill that banned sales to adults until he spoke to one of CASAA's board members. They (mis)represented the House bill as a measure to protect the children.
 

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And when are they voting on this???
Because I live in Nashville and I FULLY INTEND to go to the courthouse and speak with somebody......

I would like to know also. I would make sure that it is brought up that Utah voted it down didn't they? I'm only one state away in Ga. This really worries me. It's so ridiculous. It's about money plain and simple.
 

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SECTION 18 would ban sales of electronic cigarettes altogether, and would also ban sales of all vegetables that contain nicotine such as tomatoes, potatoes, and eggplant, since these meet the definition.

Oh man, that is just too funny!

On a serious note, good luck to you all in Tennessee. It's never good to see bills like this, flawed or not.
 

In Flames

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And when are they voting on this???
Because I live in Nashville and I FULLY INTEND to go to the courthouse and speak with somebody......

I'm with you. When are they gonna vote? We need to do something. I am the last person to come to to get a rally/get together going on but we have to be able to do something. This stupid study they did is a joke. They found a very small trace of something in a carto from china. Fine, ban the cartos from china till they get the stuff up to U.S. standards. They want to ban vaping? How stupid does that sound? Whats next? Maybe we should ban humidifiers, they produce water "vapor". Do they not? Hell, why we are at it, lets ban Vicks "VAPOR" rub and everything else that produces "vapor". See how we grow as a so called "NATION" then. We need to get info about vaping out to the masses somehow. Set up a fund or something to help educate the stupid people in power as well as everybody that want to know about it. Get independent studies done to give to the government. So we get "FACTS" and not the lies the government pays people to say. Have all the vendors have a program where said amount from each sale they make goes to this fund. How could vendors say no? Unless they are just money hungry. (lets hope not) People can donate to the same fund. If this ban passes the vendors will end up closing up shop or losing A LOT of customers. So it's in their best interest too. It's a win win. I don't know. I am just so mad at this stupid ban. Any advice would help.
 

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Link: CASAA.org|Call to Action!

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Tennessee bills HB 1729 and SB 0910 (PDF)[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] - As introduced, prohibits sale of electronic cigarettes to minors; prohibits distribution and sale of nicotine delivery products or devices that have not been approved by FDA as tobacco use cessation products. - Amends TCA Title 39, Chapter 17, Part 15 and Title 39, Chapter 17, Part 1. [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]This Bill would: [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Ban the sale of electronic cigarettes to ADULT smokers. [/FONT]

Wouldn't the bill effectively ban the sale of cigarettes, cigars, pipes, and chewing tobacco as well since they are technically nicotine delivery devices?
 

Vocalek

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The House Sponsor Rep. Armstrong is considering revising SECTION 18 so that it does not outright ban e-cigarettes -- it would only ban those products that are not registered with the FDA.

This is where you say "Huh"?

CASAA has written to inform Rep Armstrong that there is no such process in place. Extract from the latest email to Rep. Armstrong

The only registration process that e-cigarette companies can go through with the FDA is to become classified as a drug delivery device. According to both the D.C. District Court and D.C. Court of Appeals, e-cigarettes, absent a clear marketing message by the particular seller that product is a nicotine cessation aide, are NOT drug delivery devices. Both courts stated that the FDA had overreached in attempting to classify e-cigarettes as drug delivery devices, and that the FDA's only option for regulation is to classify e-cigarettes as 'tobacco products' under the Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act. Despite a plethora e-cigarette vendors who are waiting and willing to be regulated by the FDA as a 'tobacco product,' the FDA continues to drag their feet on instituting regulations.

CASAA cares a great deal about the safety of electronic cigarettes. However, at the present time, there are no legitimate safety concerns to be had about the product, especially when compared to the known hazards of cigarette smoking.

The good news is that it has not made it out of committee yet, and with luck perhaps the session will run out before it is passed out of committee and goes to the floor for a vote.

If you want to contact Rep Joseph Armstrong regarding HB 1729 to let him know how much e-cigarettes have helped you:

district address
4708 Hilldale Drive
Knoxville, TN 37914
Phone (865) 357-1524

nashville address
301 6th Avenue North
Suite 35 Legislative Plaza
Nashville, TN 37243
Phone (615) 741-0768
Fax (615) 253-0316
rep.joe.armstrong@capitol.tn.go
 

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The House Sponsor Rep. Armstrong is considering revising SECTION 18 so that it does not outright ban e-cigarettes -- it would only ban those products that are not registered with the FDA.

This is where you say "Huh"?

CASAA has written to inform Rep Armstrong that there is no such process in place. Extract from the latest email to Rep. Armstrong



The good news is that it has not made it out of committee yet, and with luck perhaps the session will run out before it is passed out of committee and goes to the floor for a vote.

If you want to contact Rep Joseph Armstrong regarding HB 1729 to let him know how much e-cigarettes have helped you:

district address
4708 Hilldale Drive
Knoxville, TN 37914
Phone (865) 357-1524

nashville address
301 6th Avenue North
Suite 35 Legislative Plaza
Nashville, TN 37243
Phone (615) 741-0768
Fax (615) 253-0316
rep.joe.armstrong@capitol.tn.go

From your lips to Joe's inbox - done!
 

n2xe

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The e-mail...

Dear Representative Armstrong,

I'm writing to urge you to exclude electronic cigarettes from your legislation. I started using electronic cigarettes as an alternative to smoking particularly when traveling where smoking is almost impossible. I've tried to quit smoking for 3 decades using patches, gum and cold turkey with a lot of misery and no success. This is not surprising since several studies show a 3 to 7% success rate with these products. A study performed by CASAA shows an 80% success rate with electronic cigarettes and a large percentage of those people who started using e-cigarettes never intended to quit tobacco!

Last fall, I was on a business trip and realized I had not had a tobacco cigarette in 3 days. I broke down and sobbed when it dawned on me that life was possible without tobacco. I've been smoke free ever since and have no desire to ever go back to tobacco. My health has vastly improved--I don't hack and cough half the day, I don't wheeze all night while trying to sleep. The electronic cigarette has been a God-send and a miracle for me. As I've read on some on-line forums, I am not alone--thousands of life-long smokers report a similar story. I know there are concerns about electronic cigarettes but after 7 years with 15,000,000 users, the FDA cannot find even one person who has been harmed by the product which is why they keep losing in court to ban the product. I recognize that the FDA found traces of tobacco specific nitrosamines and ofther chemicals in a small sample of liquids used in electronic cigarettes but the concentrations are far below any harmful level. The typical thanksgiving turkey contains far more dangerous chemicals in vastly higher concentrations yet we wouldn't dream of banning turkey. As an engineer who specializes in risk versus benefit, the data is clear--electronic cigarettes are unequivocally preferable to tobacco and the risk for electronic cigarettes is near zero--nothing in this world poses zero risk.

I think restricting sale of electronic cigarettes to anyone under 18 years of age would be a prudent measure but banning them outright will be a death sentence to people like me who resigned themselves to die a tobacco death. Most e-cigarette users are very frank in admitting that they would return to tobacco if electronic cigarettes were not available. I cannot fathom how anyone would ban this product which has had such a positive effect for thousands of citizens in Tennessee. If your goal is promoting public health, your legislation, as written, will do the opposite.

Respectfully,
N2XE (real name, address and phone in the e-mail)
 

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I called Armstrong's office and actually he picked up the phone and I got to duologue with him for about 5 minutes. He was waiting on another call so that's why he picked up. Anyway, he was not receptive, despite telling him my story and repeating much of what is written above. He seemed to think that tying everything together with vendors registering with the FDA was the solution. I told him that there was no real process to do that and he said there was on the FDA website. I went to look and it is basically registering to do animal trials, etc (like registering for a new drug- would cost millions), and have the FDA in your lab, etc.. I sent Armstrong an email after this and tried to call again but got only his answering service and an aid who I left a message with. Anyway, Armstrong has no intention of abandoning his proposition.
 

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CASAA's first message to the House & Senate committee members:

CASSA Requests Deletion of Proposed Sales Ban to Adults in TN
Monday, March 14, 2011
CASAA.org


CASAA's follow-up message, after we heard Armstrong was talking about requiring FDA "registration".

TN Urged to Delete Section that Would Ban Sales
Tuesday, March 22, 2011
CASAA.org
 
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