Tensioned Micro Coils. The next step.
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Hey guys, I don't have weights and I have been using the biggest pair of vise scripts I have (pretty darn big, but doubt they weigh 7lbs) and hanging them off the Gizmo. Seems to be ok, I can see a difference in the coil as it seems flatter and tighter looking to me. I have my Gizmo attached to a shelf and I have room to hang the vice scripts from the wire. If you guys are using weight, what are you using? I really don't trust myself to be able to apply the same tension holding the roll. Seems like the weight would be more consistent. I think Russ was using a fly reel to get drag on his wire and I remember seeing a bobbin in play too.
Mac I ordered the pin vise you use, is there a place I can see your video without joining Flicker? I'm also a RXW convert and have been following you over there too. Any advice on the pin vice use.
Mac I ordered the pin vise you use, is there a place I can see your video without joining Flicker? I'm also a RXW convert and have been following you over there too. Any advice on the pin vice use.
Wonder if you could adjust something like this to get enough tension.
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Great idea Mac & Red... try 5 lbs starting at 28ga... just sayin.Hey, welcome red. I think a bobbin might make an excellent hand hold to feed a jig and regulate release tension, yes. It would make for a more even flow definitely. But for a coiler, either the coiler would have to rotate vs. the bobbin or vice-versa. The rotating forming part of the coiler would rotate in synch. Got four hands? Like the bobbin tho.
Got me to thinkin'…how could I stabilize one of those at my workstation…so I could use it to feed a pin vise (for parallels or twisted). Would the clutch provide enough resistance? Wondering aloud here. The drag would have to be substantial.
Good luck.
Love the idea though
Hey Pepper,
Welcome to the club. I'm currently testing hanging weight with a gizmo for consistent tension with just simple 5lb dumbell weights, here's my weight rig:
Depending on the gauge wire you need some pretty extreme tension... but, I start by just holding down snug on the vice grips as you wrap the coil gives you a good start to feel where the tension needs to be.
Let me know if you have any more questions.
Hey, thanks etherealink, I didn't think of flat weights with an eye bolt rig (ha! a dumbbell). I am sure I can find that easy enough. I have been practicing with the vice grips and feeling some better consistency. I am sort of in the 27,28,29 ga. area but do use 26 on some attys. So you are simply wrapping the wire around the eye? and twisting it to lock it? Too bad I can't find 5 lb vice grips, they attach to the wire so easily
I have ordered a pin vice to give that a try too. I do have hand dexterity issues that won't get better and am thinking the gizmo and weight may be the best for future proofing my coil building. Thanks again
I have ordered a pin vice to give that a try too. I do have hand dexterity issues that won't get better and am thinking the gizmo and weight may be the best for future proofing my coil building. Thanks again
Here's mine that I have been vaping going on about 2 weeks. Vapes like it should. Kick ayuss. All my attys vape this wayGuys I started using the coil master 2 days ago just because i didnt have 2mm in the coil gizmo and superx liked it. I noticed something very interesting. In the pic below both coils are wound using the coil master. Now I appreciate the consistency of tension wrapping. Although using a coil master you can achieve it, it wasn't repeatable it seems. See how the left coil has this 3 wraps in black and with no liquid? These 3 wraps are getting hotter than other wraps and other coil. It is obvious! And believe me when I tell u when it is not wicked you cannot see a difference between the 2 coils even when fired!
Superx if you are able to produce a consistent coil with the coil master every time then kudos to you. I couldn't! But yes it beats taking out my gizmo and tensioning in terms of convenience. Is the hassle worth getting perfect coils! For me heck yeah. Tensioning is my comfort zone. And I've seen it first hand.
That's my point superx. You are wrapping more consistently than me. the coil master I tried on was actually kuro coiler. And I put an order for the coil master. If it gives me consistent wraps everytime than why not.Here's mine that I have been vaping going on about 2 weeks. Vapes like it should. Kick ayuss. All my attys vape this way
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But the gizmo is a guarantee. The gizmo for me never failed just because it either works, or you screw it up while mounting.
Pepper,Hey, thanks etherealink, I didn't think of flat weights with an eye bolt rig (ha! a dumbbell). I am sure I can find that easy enough. I have been practicing with the vice grips and feeling some better consistency. I am sort of in the 27,28,29 ga. area but do use 26 on some attys. So you are simply wrapping the wire around the eye? and twisting it to lock it? Too bad I can't find 5 lb vice grips, they attach to the wire so easily
I have ordered a pin vice to give that a try too. I do have hand dexterity issues that won't get better and am thinking the gizmo and weight may be the best for future proofing my coil building. Thanks again
Yeah, basically. I loop the wire around the eye bolt and leave a few inches of a tail then clamp the vice grips on gently to twist the tail snug. I've found that will hold up to about 10lbs.
Just make sure the wire is short enough that it will be off the ground from the time you start wrapping or you won't get even tension from leg to leg, I actually mount the wire on the rod of the gizmo before I put it in the frame to be sure.
Also, you may want to think about the "thumbscrew and wingnut" modification that Russ started (I think) it will help you work with the added tension from the weights without the wire slipping. And take the rod to the store if you need to buy the thumbscrew, I broke my first 3mm rod trying to force the screw through the loop lol! Here's a pic of my set up:
Good luck, let me know if I can help.
Yep, check on that, I have all those modifications to my Gizmo and I also mount the wire before I set the rod in, so much easier. And I do use it suspended and try to make sure it doesn't rotate as we go. I don't cut a very long length of wire cause I don't find you really need it. I really find it easy to use. I need to get a piece of 3/32 to bend and yeah, torch it before I bend it. On the hunt today at Lowes, HD had nothing here at my store.
thanks again
I have a much simpler method for making tensioned coils, all you need is a pair of heavy vice grips. Cut a piece of wire long enough for your coil with about 6 inches extra, and clamp the vice grips onto one end. Wrap the other end twice around your index finger and tightly pull the wire around your jig like you normally would, the weight of the vice grips will give you all the tension you need to wrap a perfectly tight coil.
Gonna have to say I doubt it on the vise grips being enough tension alone, but if it works for you, great.
Does someone have a link of 2, 2.5 and 3 mm rods I can buy online? I prefer europe of course but I doubt you will find.
I was looking on Amazon, just to see what kind of weights might be available and it seems there is a slotted flat weight. I should have gotten a pix, but it is like the weight etherealink posted but it has slots near the outer edge. Might make it a touch easier to hook up and for me it would not take up as much room as it slides up. There is also a Cap Weight that has a handle built right into the top of it. I have a sports resale shop in town where I used to go get my dogs used soccer balls and stuff. I remember lots of weights on display so heading over there tomorrow. Just a thought, plus add the weight of the vice grips, maybe....alone the vice grips don't seem to be heavy enough although I am running a couple of coils made with just them and they are doing well.
I don't think so in Europe Aal, is there a welding shop or metal working shop around you? I'm just using a 1/8 in rod I got from a basic hardware store.
Ditto on that request. I'm in need of 2.5mm & 3mm mandrels also. I'm in the states though.
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Just don't knock it until you've tried it
Clearly it doesn't exert the same amount of tension (with the fishing reel you are literally putting your back into it), but this method has consistently produced tight coils for me that fire evenly the first time and never fail.Have you tried one of these?
Stainless Steel Coil Jig, 1.5, 2.0, 2.5, 3.0 and 3.5mm sizes - Moosevapes
Just don't knock it until you've tried it
Have you tried one of these?
Stainless Steel Coil Jig, 1.5, 2.0, 2.5, 3.0 and 3.5mm sizes - Moosevapes
I have, many times. Seems to me you're on the right track. Two years ago as I began my research on adapting strain to vaping. All manner of weight approaches. However, the pressure required to reach adhesion, the closest proximity of wire turns which is a very specific physical state, may be considerably more than the down force a light object can impart.
Take that same vice grips using it to trap the wire under your leg and pull up on it to a pin vise and you can easily get to the strain level I talk about on this thread. You're using the pivoting of both forearms on your thighs pulling up to a rotating bit and this is capable of far more than a simple weight. I use this to wind fat gauges and multi-wire. Alternatively, I get someone to just pull on it.
Seriously, look up "Newton" on this thread or on the Protank MicroCoil Discussion!! for a more complete explanation of the force needed. There's a point we want to get to; but, also a measure of tightness that just overheats the wind. So really what's being discussed here are approaches to finding that zone of best performance. The right trick for the electron track.
Good luck.
there's a problem with the search on this site since the upgrade, can't find older posts from before the upgrade searching older threads, I just searched for "newton" in that thread with no hits... I'd love to see some of the science behind this
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