Testing the resistance of the entire mod

[mnealtx]

Now answer the question about how your Chuck vapes at 3.7 like anything else does at 6.

If you think .17v (max) makes that much of a difference, I think you've got something besides nic juice in your atomizer.

 

[Shreck]

had to quote this for a check on people doing REAL work and all our other stuff

Ummm.. Oh- Kay!

 

[caesar]

had to quote this for a check on people doing REAL work and all our other stuff

All decent priced multimeters (under 200$) have a 1-4% error rate. You know what that means for a 4.2V measurement? It can read from anywhere between 4.032V to 4.368V.

Now tell me how you interpret cashmere's results!

Even a single 22AWG wire taken from a UTP cable can run 5A without noticeable losses (heat) so please don't take the body metal case further. They conduct the same!


Or maybe some Orgone free energy catchers have been put in some mods to make them vape better

 

[NickJuice]

Ok if Money wasn't an issue...and you really wanted to do this test as accuratly as possible with the lowest possible error rates...

How would you do it? What meter/Equipment would you need?

 

[Nuck]

Gotta say...this thread is out there. The fact that you need such accurate equipment to detect any difference should be the first sign you are wasting your time. Even the order you run the tests in would have more effect than the body material.

There are an infinite number of ways to improve the vape that actually have a noticeable effect. It might be better to put time and money into power management to provide consistent results than this.

 

[mnealtx]

A calibrated, bench reference grade meter (probably somewhere around $1000) a calibrated power supply and a WHOLE lot more boredom than I have now.

It's already been shown that the resistance of the various materials lie within the error range of the multimeter, so can we finally put this silly **** to rest?

 

[NickJuice]

A calibrated, bench reference grade meter (probably somewhere around $1000) a calibrated power supply and a WHOLE lot more boredom than I have now.

It's already been shown that the resistance of the various materials lie within the error range of the multimeter, so can we finally put this silly **** to rest?

If we can get away with posting this in the various Koolaid threads...without being attacked by "But its made of Krytonite! It vapes at 3v like your Mod vapes at 110v!"

But i don't think we're at that point yet

 

[mnealtx]

Not Kryptonite.... they're made of Unobtanium!!!

 

[opuscroakus]

Fan boys will be fan boys. They will believe that theirs is the best because that is what they spent their hard earned cash on. The only time this becomes a problem is when fan boy trolls in another fan boys forum.

 

[olderthandirt]

Fan boys will be fan boys. They will believe that theirs is the best because that is what they spent their hard earned cash on. The only time this becomes a problem is when fan boy trolls in another fan boys forum.

Ahh. Well said. Succinct opus!

 

[gjrhine]

Whoops, looking for the Testing the resistance of the entire mod thread.

 

[Scottes]

If we can get away with posting this in the various Koolaid threads...without being attacked by "But its made of Krytonite! It vapes at 3v like your Mod vapes at 110v!"

But i don't think we're at that point yet

I do. So I put it in my sig.

I'll probably be defending this finding at random times. I have a feeling that it will usually be directed at Chuck owners, since they seem to be the most self-brainwashed. Mind you, I own 2 Chucks and like them quite a bit, but I don't drink the kool-aid. And I won't be attacking Jeff - they're built very well - just the unwashed koo-aid slurpers who think they're amazing vapor producers.

 

[NickJuice]

Ok i tested the lil' Chuck loaded and unloaded...with a 3.5 ohm atomizer...but i have NO other cr123a battery mods i can compare it too...AND there was a weird disparity in the numbers

Test 1

3.96v Unloaded
3.57v loaded
Percentage of Change 9.848 % decrease
Resistance of Battery + mod = 0.382352941 Ohms

Test 2

3.92v unloaded
2.97 loaded
Percentage of Change 24.235 % decrease
Resistance of Battery + Mod = 1.11952862 Ohms

Test 3

3.87v unloaded
3.58v loaded
Percentage of Change 7.494 % decrease
Resistance of Battery + Mod = 0.283519553 Ohms

Test 4 Different Battery

4.23v unloaded
3.98 loaded
Percentage of Change 5.91 % decrease
Resistance of Battery + Mod = 0.219849246 Ohms


So because of these numbers i'm inclined to throw out the middle number...i was kind hoping for a more steady number....But this is what i got...soo if i throw out test 2 i get an Average Battery + Mod Resistance of 0.29524058 ohms...

NOW Compared to the PureSmokers Post about his Loaded and unloaded Voltages(EDITED out everything BUT the Protege, since my lil' chuck is 3.7v like the Protege) ...The whole post is here http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-device-under-load-prodigy-other-devices.html

i don't know the Ohm load of the Atomizer he used...but i *believe* it was a 901 and i tested with a 901 also

Posted this in the Resistor Thread ... Thought it could help others out wondering what type of voltage they are truly getting at the atomizer

Here's the Breakdown:
Protege: (Battery - (1) Tenergy 14500 - 900mAh - About 95% fully charged)
At Atomizer -- 3.97v
Under Load (True Voltage) -- 3.77v
Percentage of Change 5.038 % decrease

HUGE ASSUMPTION: *IF* his Atomizer was 3.5ohm as mine measured to be...his
Resistance of Battery + Mod = 0.185676393 ohms


I'm going to retest Everything in a week or so when i get my Xhaler..I just don't really trust these numbers...

 

[caesar]

The voltage drop depends on battery quality and chemistry.

Li-Poly will fare best followed by Li-Ion then Li-FePo("3V").
It is not unusual for Li-Poly to be rated 15C discharge rate, while Li-Ion around 2C and Li-FePo at 1C.
So Li-FePo has the biggest voltage drop while Li-Poly the smallest.


Using a lab power source will show no drop in voltage

 

[Richie G]

If we can get away with posting this in the various Koolaid threads...without being attacked by "But its made of Krytonite! It vapes at 3v like your Mod vapes at 110v!"

But i don't think we're at that point yet

And, when we start using attys designed/engineered to work at 110v, somebody will, no doubt, hook up a buck and boost transformer to it and sing the praises of vaping at 143.8v. The user of 18k gold mod running at 110v will claim that it vapes better than the 143.8v mod. And so it goes...

I stayed away from this thread realizing it was going to get silly right off the bat. It's now reached the oscilliscopic stage. LOL

Anybody else find it amusing that after all is theorized, the winner of "least resistance mod" is probably the $5 Nicostick?

 

[NickJuice]

The voltage drop depends on battery quality and chemistry.

Li-Poly will fare best followed by Li-Ion then Li-FePo("3V").
It is not unusual for Li-Poly to be rated 15C discharge rate, while Li-Ion around 2C and Li-FePo at 1C.
So Li-FePo has the biggest voltage drop while Li-Poly the smallest.


Using a lab power source will show no drop in voltage

When using a mod we don't vape off of a Lab power Source...i think using the standard battery that most users would use is the best way to establish real life conditions...

AND wasn't this your post Caesar?

Testing them with a copper rod will show all to have the same resistance. An ohmmeter puts only a very small amount of current when measuring and will throw results off.

The real measurement is under load and that by measuring current flow through a known consumer.

Use a 2Ohm 10watt resistor instead of an atty and fully charged batteries in each mod. then measure the current flow.

The biggest the current the better the mod. Beware of melting switches

 

[Scottes]

When using a mod we don't vape off of a Lab power Source...i think using the standard battery that most users would use is the best way to establish real life conditions...

The problem with real-life conditions is all the variables. Isolate what you are trying to test and eliminate all the variables surrounding it.

 

[NickJuice]

And, when we start using attys designed/engineered to work at 110v, somebody will, no doubt, hook up a buck and boost transformer to it and sing the praises of vaping at 143.8v. The user of 18k gold mod running at 110v will claim that it vapes better than the 143.8v mod. And so it goes...

I stayed away from this thread realizing it was going to get silly right off the bat. It's now reached the oscilliscopic stage. LOL

Anybody else find it amusing that after all is theorized, the winner of "least resistance mod" is probably the $5 Nicostick?

Well thats the point of this thread Richie...So the owner of the 110v mod can't claim it vape's better then the owner of the 143.8v mod...We can put down a set of testing criteria...for example a Voltage drop test...to show plainly that that just isn't true....this thread is to dispell the myths

 

[Scottes]

this thread is to dispell the myths

Well, I had intended that this thread teach me the right way to test it so that I could find out. Dispelling myths on any Internet forum is in fact a myth in itself, but data sometimes convinces a few.

But logical conversations in this thread have taught me more, and convinced that the resistance of a mod is insignificant and therefore meaningless to test.

 

[olderthandirt]

Well, I had intended that this thread teach me the right way to test it so that I could find out. Dispelling myths on any Internet forum is in fact a myth in itself, but data sometimes convinces a few.

But logical conversations in this thread have taught me more, and convinced that the resistance of a mod is insignificant and therefore meaningless to test.

Good Morning Scottes
And an excellent thread it was. Care to wager how long before the lessons learned are forgotten? That's provided more than a few even got it in the first place...