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adeline

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It's probably a combination of the exorbitant amount of stress in my life -- I moved across the country 2.5 months ago, I still don't have a job, and I'm having straining issues in my relationship that are threatening its very existence -- and hitting the notorious 3 month mark, but being smoke free is losing its luster.

It's not really a craving, not like I used to have. It isn't an overwhelming urge like the ones that sent me to the gas station in the middle of the night for a pack of the death sticks... but it's there. I think about them far too often and even plan when and how I'm going to go get a pack and how I'll hide them and hide the fact that I'm smoking them. I'd be lying to say I'm not strongly considering it... every day.

It's difficult. I quit for someone else, not myself, and I think that plays a big part of it. I still want to stay quit, I don't want to smoke a pack of them per day like I used to, but I want the option to smoke a couple of them per day. It may be in spite of the person I quit for, anger for pushing me away, but that's a different story.

I wish I had the same desire to never pick one up, the one that I held on to tight for the first few months. But the smell of someone smoking .. it smells good, and I breathe deep whenever I walk by a smoker. Stale smoke is still really gross to me, but a burning cigarette makes me antsy and jealous. And the thought of smoking a couple doesn't make me feel bad, doesn't make me feel like I'm losing progress. I don't want to stop vaping, but damn, I'm stressed and want to smoke and that is stressing me out -- a vicious circle I can't break right now.

I've cut my nicotine way down - I started at 18mg, worked down to 12, and have been at 6mg for probably a month now. I don't think it's the lessening nicotine that's causing the cravings, as it never was an issue from the start.. but I have 12mg and 18mg tucked away anyway. I doubt that'll help me at this point, I'm convinced it's entirely psychological... I'm either going to break down and smoke them, or continue this battle until my desires disappear again.

I wish I thought I would be receptive to support from my family and friends, but that this point I don't know that it would help me. I know I'm doing a good job, I know it's a tough thing to overcome, and I know that I just need to stick with it, because the worst WILL end eventually, but what I know is right and what I want are usually at odds, and now the sentiment is taking over a huge milestone, and threatening to rewrite a chapter in my life I thought was over.

Sigh, I just needed to talk about it, with someone listening that doesn't know me or know who I am, someone who maybe understands what I'm going through. My boyfriend is as supportive as he knows how to be, but telling him the things that are going through my mind are likely to start a riot, and earn myself a lecture from someone who's never battled an addiction. Throw in a few threats about my living situation, comments about the lack of respect I have for my body, and I'm not entirely sure I'll make it another day without smoking.

It's rough. Even with a PV, which has made quitting SO SO easy. It's more than just an addiction to a chemical, it's a safety net, a comfort, a "plan B" when all else fails and the proverbial s*** hits the fan. I wish I didn't feel like I was missing out on something, but 3 months is hardly enough to break a habit of 8 years that I swear kept me sane and focused. I'm trying though, I'm working through this as best I know how, and I'll be damned if I can't take this one day at a time.
 

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Sounds like a load crap is coming down on you... I feel for you. I quit smokes for years at a time and then one good blow out in my relationship and back on the the smokys. Then the guilt and shame continues the addiction.

First, your right to not feel bad when you break down. Only way to stop again is to not be hard on yourself. Everyone has addictions, just not all are chemical. So he can stuff the hollier than thou bull. Not right to you and your relationship.

Second, if you fall off the wagon, your vape will always be there when your ready to come back. You did it once you can do it again.

Third, I would step up the nic. I'm at my 3 months and even though I don't crave smokes, I definately think I have plateu'd my nic level. At least for now. Going lower, I get antsy.

Lastly, change something in your routine. I find that helps. Something that helps break the cycle of feelings. Go for more drinks, or less. Spend less time at home or more. Nothing big, just something.

You'll get through. You've gotten here, where do you want to go next. :)
 

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Adeline...things do seem to change. I am happy to hear that you quit, and that in itself is a major plus in your life! Don't try and do the same things you did when your relationship was in good shape - they never end up the same way.
Jobs are very hard to find now, so many decide to reinvent themselves. I've gone from being a purchasing agent for 28 years to counseling now. Good thing since I was DXed with MS last year!
Be at peace with yourself, and let change happen. Nothing we can so to stop it from happening anyway, so just ride the storm...
 

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I'm having straining issues in my relationship that are threatening its very existence - this is exactly the trigger that has started me back to smoking when I have quit in the past - cold turkey. The difference and I believe it is a big difference is that e cigs can be very satisfying as a replacement. I agree, please up your nic for now. I get it that you need a place to vent - and here we are! I love your line: Throw in a few threats about my living situation, comments about the lack of respect I have for my body, and I'm not entirely sure I'll make it another day without smoking. LOL!

You are one wise woman. You can do this and it really doesn't have to be perfect (IMO). Use us for your venting, raging, addictive desiring! I get it and I bet We get it too.
 

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It's hard coming from 25 years of smoking. You got to try break habbit of when you need one the most. My lung hurt so bad and the coughing/whizzing was getting really old. I had my mind made up that vaping was going to work and I was not going back to cigs.

4 DAY INTO it I had to see the doctors and I forgot to bring extra battery and my ego died. I wanted a cig so bad and could have bum one but my mind was made up I was not going back to smoking. 5 hours later I was at home vaping like kings and never look back.

Your problem is you don't want to stop and you are doing it for someone else. E-cig make it easy to quite more then any other treatment out there but you still need will power.

I smoke a pack about 2 weeks ago when My e-cig was failing. I even bought another pack that just sitting here but I got 5v mod and have not look back yet. It's hard to quite don't get down on your self! All you can do is take it one day at a time. Do it for your self and not for someone else. 1/2 the battle is waiting to quite and after 25 years of smoking it was time for me.
 

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Adeline, it's not time to lower your nicotine levels! To have a fighting chance, you have to satisfy NIC. Most of us need 24mg to stay off analogs.

Quitting for someone else is a difficult thing. I did that on a bet with someone years ago, and never really lost the desire. I just didn't want to appear weak for nicotine. The only decision that will work is one that you make yourself, along with a commitment to yourself. It's hard to have peace with a decision when you are under the control of someone else and only doing it for them.

You really don't have to quit cold turkey, although you are better off not to go back after quitting. Lots of us made a decision to still have a few each day and at some point do away with the last few of the habit. It's easy to vape and allow yourself one or two with coffee, one after a meal, and one before turning in. The mental part is getting to you. I've been in those shoes.

You really do have to decide who you are doing this for.
 
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icemanx3

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You could try some 24mg or 36mg stuff. I noticed that some 24mg doesn't work for me as well as other 24mg stuff from various vendors. Also, not sure if this is good advice, but I started vaping with a pack of analogs in my car...I wasn't even stressing on stopping analogs. As soon as I started vaping I never touched another analog since vaping was so awesome and there was so much to learn. It was helpful for me knowing I had a pack waiting for me in case, and I never stressed a stop date.

Interesting. I just went through a 3 month blah thing. I ordered a bunch of samplers from all over and tried some new stuff I never thought I would like and it brought some excitement back into vaping. I think I am still going through some blah though, I am actually thinking about getting an eGo to try one out, even though I am so freakin happy with my two 3.7v mods! LOL. I've also been saving some clams for a nice bottle feeder mod...probably a Reo Mini - but I'm sure I'll get all blah'y over that at some point.

Keep trying, but I wouldn't feel guilty slipping in an analog here and there. I mean, nothing in excess is the key in my opinion. I can't say I wont bang on an analog someday, or a nice yummy djarum special. Keeping that in mind, it takes away the worry about the whole thing, at least for me. LOL Like I said, probably not the best advice.

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Stepping up the nic level might help. I agree that you shouldn't feel guilty if you end up lighting up an analog though - it sounds like life is a bit rough for you right now. It might even serve to remind you of how nasty the analogs actually are.
I guess I don't really have any advice that hasn't been offered already, but good luck and hang in there.
 

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ditto on upping the nicotine. either that or go to 0. The thing with nicotine addiction is a little bit tickles the receptors to crave a full dose...in practical terms for most smokers that's plus or minus a pack a day. in my experience as a veteran quitter and hence a veteran relapser it's ultimately an all or nothing choice. I think that's a property of the nicotine addiction for me And millions of others) . I tried the casual smoker game and lost so many times i can't count. up the dose, buy a new toy. Don't go back. good luck-- i could usesome myself --just coming off a 6 month relapse on tobacco
 

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Same, same...

I am going to give it another try after failing miserably the past 3 weeks. I'm not going to lie - Dunhill lights taste - and this really is the only word for it - f$%^in^ DELICIOUS.

But the lethargy just ruins my life....

Have ordered what I hope will be decent quality liquids compared to the last shipment of utter cr@p I received and which are in some of my favorite food flavors and I think I have also identified the correct mg of nicotine for me now - 6mg -that won't give me insomnia at night (another reason I went back to the cigs is that I couldn't vape before bed without getting awful insomnia from the nic buzz) and also one strong tobacco flavor at 18mg that I am truly hoping will satisfy when drinking. If it doesn't, then hopefuly the only time I will smoke is when drinking, a time when will power to not smoke just falls down flat.

It will still be hard and I will still need willpower in droves. The pv mainly a 2nd best alternative rather than the pleasure a lot of vapers seem to find it to be. Reason probably is that I'm relatively young (34) and my health is not that badly affected by the 3 or 4 cigs I have at night (not even tempted during the day when at work, haven't been for years) and maybe 1 pack over the weekend IF DRINKING. Apart from lethargy and occaisional bronchitis, I don't get any wheezing, coughing or any other serious health problems and my Blood pressure is 64/63 and my lungs passed all doc's tests with flying colors also. So there is no extreme, pressing motivation for me to quit and where I live a pack of Dunhills is only the eqvt of $2.18usd a pack...

But still, the lethargy in the mornings (even after only 3 or 4 cigs the previous evening with a movie and a cpl of beers) and the occaisional bronchitis are not things I want in my life.

So my new tasty (fingers crossed) liquids with good flavors and the right nic mg for me plus the aid of direct dripping when at home and having a beer (one of my main times I smoke and I find direct dripping gives pretty satisfying hits) and using 18mg Dessert Ship in my pv (ego-t) when out at a bar drinking (the other main time I smoke and a time when dripping not for me) might do it for me.
 

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No s**t about the insomnia. I'm still up, can't sleep :(

I'm banging on 24mg, gee I guess I shouldn't be surprised. It's 3:20am and the alarm is going to be cracking it stiff whip on my .... at 7:30.

That is one big thing about vaping. With analogs I could burn and pass out. Now I vape and lay here all night listening to the sounds of silence. Ugh.

OP, nothing in excess.

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Hi Adeline,

It sounds like you have a lot on your mind besides smoking. This may sound shallow and trite but from an old crusty guy ( get a good skin care program going now while you're young ) hang in there. We all go through this stuff and it works out OK. It will work out OK for you too.

To the vaping vendor community out there, IS THERE SOMEBODY IN THE LA AREA THAT COULD USE AN E-CIG EXPERT LIKE ADELINE? Sorry to shout, just shoot her a PM.

It's probably a combination of the exorbitant amount of stress in my life -- I moved across the country 2.5 months ago, I still don't have a job, and I'm having straining issues in my relationship that are threatening its very existence -- and hitting the notorious 3 month mark, but being smoke free is losing its luster.

It's not really a craving, not like I used to have. It isn't an overwhelming urge like the ones that sent me to the gas station in the middle of the night for a pack of the death sticks... but it's there. I think about them far too often and even plan when and how I'm going to go get a pack and how I'll hide them and hide the fact that I'm smoking them. I'd be lying to say I'm not strongly considering it... every day.

It's difficult. I quit for someone else, not myself, and I think that plays a big part of it. I still want to stay quit, I don't want to smoke a pack of them per day like I used to, but I want the option to smoke a couple of them per day. It may be in spite of the person I quit for, anger for pushing me away, but that's a different story.

I wish I had the same desire to never pick one up, the one that I held on to tight for the first few months. But the smell of someone smoking .. it smells good, and I breathe deep whenever I walk by a smoker. Stale smoke is still really gross to me, but a burning cigarette makes me antsy and jealous. And the thought of smoking a couple doesn't make me feel bad, doesn't make me feel like I'm losing progress. I don't want to stop vaping, but damn, I'm stressed and want to smoke and that is stressing me out -- a vicious circle I can't break right now.

I've cut my nicotine way down - I started at 18mg, worked down to 12, and have been at 6mg for probably a month now. I don't think it's the lessening nicotine that's causing the cravings, as it never was an issue from the start.. but I have 12mg and 18mg tucked away anyway. I doubt that'll help me at this point, I'm convinced it's entirely psychological... I'm either going to break down and smoke them, or continue this battle until my desires disappear again.

I wish I thought I would be receptive to support from my family and friends, but that this point I don't know that it would help me. I know I'm doing a good job, I know it's a tough thing to overcome, and I know that I just need to stick with it, because the worst WILL end eventually, but what I know is right and what I want are usually at odds, and now the sentiment is taking over a huge milestone, and threatening to rewrite a chapter in my life I thought was over.

Sigh, I just needed to talk about it, with someone listening that doesn't know me or know who I am, someone who maybe understands what I'm going through. My boyfriend is as supportive as he knows how to be, but telling him the things that are going through my mind are likely to start a riot, and earn myself a lecture from someone who's never battled an addiction. Throw in a few threats about my living situation, comments about the lack of respect I have for my body, and I'm not entirely sure I'll make it another day without smoking.

It's rough. Even with a PV, which has made quitting SO SO easy. It's more than just an addiction to a chemical, it's a safety net, a comfort, a "plan B" when all else fails and the proverbial s*** hits the fan. I wish I didn't feel like I was missing out on something, but 3 months is hardly enough to break a habit of 8 years that I swear kept me sane and focused. I'm trying though, I'm working through this as best I know how, and I'll be damned if I can't take this one day at a time.
 

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Small revelation tonight.

I am direct dripping my favorite flavor each time I want a ciggy and will allow myself only 1 cigarette, right before bed. Since I am 'kind of' enjoying the dripping - it's an 'okay' substitute to smoking - and I know I am having a cig before bed, it's working. As long as I get that one before bed.... (still love the taste of them)

Not perfect, but gets me down from 3 to 4 cigs a night (as mentioned in previous post, I don't smoke in the daytime during the week) to only 1 a night and is 10 less a week during the weekdays.
 

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Sometimes a compromise is a good strategy. I went from 40-60 a day down to less than 10 the first week without issues. After 10 months of vaping I'm back up to 10 or so, but still NOT smoking the other 40 or so.

To be successful and at peace with the decision you have to decide whether you want to wean or quit cold turkey. I've found that, for myself, cold turkey is torture. Eventually, I will do away with the other 6 to 10 a day ... on my own terms. In the meantime I have done my body a favor by eliminating 80 percent of my analog addiction (and feeling good about that).
 

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I started with 24 mg, stayed there plus some lower 12 - 15 for chain vaping or nights.

About 4 months in I ended up DIYing some 30, turns out I really like it. I still use 12 and 15 a lot, but use some 30 mg mixed in.

A lot of people push to cut/remove their nic, but honestly I like it, just like I enjoy coffee (though I've cut down on coffee because I get the stimulant from being able to vape in more places).

Whatever you choose to do, recognize that every cigarette not smoked is a plus, for you.
 

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Sorry to hear you are going through a hard time right now. :( I've only been at it a little over a month now, but sometimes stressful situations will have me reaching for an occasional analog. The thing is, in the past when I quit cold turkey, one cigarette would have been enough to knock me right off the wagon. Now, if I have one, (say, after my mom comes to visit :p), I don't feel like I have "failed" and I can go right back to vaping and not think about one for a couple of weeks. For me, that's one of the major bonuses of vaping. Hang in there! Life can be tough sometimes!
 

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Hi guys.. Thanks for your responses. I attempted to vape some 12mg yesterday.. I was aggravated by the way my atomizer was acting, and not too thrilled with my flavor selection. I've been basically chain vaping my 6mg though. I went out last night so it helped keep my mind off things, and met a girl who quit smoking about 2 months ago, cold turkey. She's not receptive to vaping (I tried!), but she's a local part of my support network now.

Unfortunately, my desires haven't quit. My stress level is still rising, and I don't see that going down for a while to come.

The only thing stopping me right now from going to the store and getting a pack and smoking one, is the amount of hassle I am going to have to go through to cover it up. Finding a discreet place to smoke, hiding the pack after, scrubbing my skin and hair, doing my laundry, repeating all of these steps because I can still smell the smoke. It's a lot of work, especially for something that might take a few ciggs to enjoy, or something that will only last 3-5 minutes. I don't even know that smoking is going to help at all, it's just going to extend this routine of hiding in shame, and forcing me to continue my deception tactics.

I'm at a loss. It really has nothing to do with smoking or not smoking. It might be the fact that I feel completely helpless and this is one thing I have control over. It might be the aforementioned safety net, and I just want to feel safe again. It could be a lot of things, and I am trying to delay the trip to the store long enough that I can't pull it off today. And continue to do that until these new urges pass.

What scares me is that soon I wont have to hide so much. I am being kicked out of where I live, and according to my boyfriend, will have to live alone. When I'm away from him, I wont have to scrub my skin so diligently, or hide so fervently, or care so much. This could be in a month, it could be just a couple weeks. But it's going to happen. And I have a feeling my hesitation will slow, if not stop.

I wish I had the strength and the resolve to stay quit. But now it seems I am destined to smoke again. Definitely not the way I used to, but just a couple, and after three months of not, it kind of scares me. One or two a day will turn into three to five a day, and if I can't exercise the self-control necessary, I could be back where I started.

I wish I'd never started smoking. Or that I'd wanted to quit for myself. That I'd wanted to quit at all. I quit because I thought someone else wanted me too (he did!), and now I'm paying the consequences.
 

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Hi Adeline,

Sorry to hear of all the problems. They come in a herd... I know. I have nothing to offer what was said already but i do have a line on the work front. Here in Garden Grove we are having a job fair on Friday. I will be going to find myself a part-time job to help pay for my business. If you would like the info on this PM me and I will send it all over.

AB
 
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