The 6AMP Beast is Here- Smoktek Smokbox Varicool 6amp USA Mod -Review

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smoktek has just introduced the 6 Amp Version of the smoktek Smokbox Varicool. This will be an in depth review of the unit and how it vapes at Xtreme Levels.

This first post is a background post. The next post in the thread will be the testing results. So skip this if the background isn't what you are looking for.

I wrote a review on the 3amp Smoketek Varicool http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...aricool-custom-box-mod-made-u-s-review-4.html


The review has received about 1500 views in the past 3 weeks, which made the owner of Smoktek take notice. Some are asking questions about the new 6Amp Beast. Others have suggesting that the owner send me a unit to thoroughly review.

Rob, the owner, listened to his customers and sent me a complimentary unit to test. I was tempted to order one, but I'm 100% satisfied with my 3amp unit, and in the range of vaping that I do,I don't need to upgrade to the 6amp. On the other hand if the 6amp was out at the time I bought my unit, I might have opted for it. I'd like to emphasize, I don't have a commercial interest in Smoktek and my review will be scientific and impartial.


If you've read my other review than you can pick up that I dislike subjective reviews. Statements like it " vapes fantastic ", "I go 24 hours on a battery" etc.. don't cut it. I'm going to test how it works and I'll make my judgement of the unit based on testing.


I'm not a professional reviewer, just a ECF Veteran who has been vaping for more than 3 years. I went through a whole bunch of Junk before the Provari came out and after that standardized on just the Provari with a couple of Egos for backup. Than my Provari went bye bye after 15 months. Seems that the V1 is only 2.5 Amps and the circuit board wasn't built to handle a LR 1.8Ohm Clearomizer. Within a week of vaping the ViviNova 1.8, my provari was Kaput. I had it repaired and upgraded to the VS 2.0. The first time they returned it to me it was still defective but the second time was the charm and my Provari works perfectly. Customer service at Provari is excellent.

In the meantime, before sending the Provari to the shop I was very nervous about not having a backup unit to my VV Ego Style E-cig, so I went in search of another backup unit. Since I expected to get my Provari back and Provari is arguably the Cadillac of Vaping units. I wanted a lower priced unit. I went looking for a VV that was a little smaller.

I searched high and low on the Forum and ended up with a Young June Mini Lava Type unit. Boy was I the victim of hit and miss Chinese Manufacturing. The first unit lasted 30 minutes. 15 minutes or so into my vape, I unscrewed my Vivi Nova from the top and forgot to hold the bottom and a small amount of juice dripped down the side. I'm not sure if the E-Cig is supposed to be sealed but for sure this one wasn't. Within 10 minutes, it began to smoke and putrid smoke poured out of the LED, of course I quickly yanked the batteries. Destroying a unit in 30 Minutes was a new record for me.
I sent it back and the vendor crosshipped a replacement. The replacement lasted for two hours before it stopped recognizing my Vivi Nova Clearomizer. Back to the Vendor for a refund.

The seller of this unit was wonderful in his customer service. He was so great about everything that I don't want to mention the exact model or who he is. I wish him the best in his business and won't discount that maybe I was just unlucky.

So after that I went searching hours and hours in the forums. Everything that I ran across was out of my price range, or just too many negative reviews resulting from the Hit and Miss Quality of Chinese Manufacturers. The problem seems to be that one person will get a Chinese Unit that works perfectly and than another will get a defective unit, so it's pot luck on whether you are going to get a good unit.

Than I ran across the Smoketek Smokbox Varicool. What was different about it? Most important of all I searched the forum for comments about the Smokbox Varicool and almost all were favorable. Initially I confused them with the Chinese Smoketech, but than realized that they were a different company. I wrote the owner and found that the box was assembled in the United States. That was the clincher for me. A unit assembled in America for $56.00 seemed like a deal.

Although there were a number of positive comments on the forum and on the Smoktek website about the Varicool , there was only one professional review and that review just wasn't detailed enough for me. So I decided that I'd buy one and completely test it.

I'm a Provari Fan and feel that every Vaper should have a Provari or a model of equal quality. On the other hand not everyone is in the position to lay out $200.00+, or they fear the wrath of their spouse when the credit card statement arrives. I won't say that the Varicool is better than a Provari. I will only say that it is different, doesn't have the bells and whistles, but what it does it does well.

The Varicool has become my primary unit because I like the form factor and features. It's small, doesn't roll or fall over, has great battery life (Proven in my testing), and most important gives a rock solid stable vape (Proven in Review). If you don't need the Bells and Whistles of the Provari, and don't mind that the chassis isn't as solid, this unit within a limited parameter is as good as a Provari.

Now with the introduction of the 6Amp we are adding a new dimension. At extreme levels this unit may outperform the Provari. I can't wait to find out.

I received the 6amp two days ago and have been breaking it in. It has been vaping great with 1.8Ohm to 2.8Ohm Clearomizers and no problems with either the Trustfire Flame or the IMR Aw 1450 at my normal vaping range of 3.7 to 4.3V. Yes this is a subjective statement, don't worry I'll start my testing in my next post. Over the weekend.

One of the things that I'm not going to do is to take this unit to the limit with regular Lithium batteries. According to the Spec on the chip, under maximum load it has the capability to overdraw the battery of a regular Lithium Ion. So the highest that I'm going to go on a normal Battery is 5-6V depending on the Cartomizer/Atomizer. Using the AW IMR 14500 batteries though, I'm going to take this baby to the Maximum!!!

The technology on this unit is different from the Provari. The Provari takes a 3.7V battery and boosts the volts. According to the forum it is PWM with a effective filter on it. The filter is a capacitor that stores electricity and fills in the voltage when it fluctuates downward.

The Varicool operates on a stacked battery type of technology. Before you eliminate it because it's stacked battery, it does it a little differently. The batteries are separate on each side, which is safer than when they are joined together . The chip has protections on it that will stop short circuits, in addition the casing is non conductive plastic, which reduces possibilities of short circuits. The way it works is that the batteries are putting out around 6.3 to 8.4 Volts and the DC to DC converter chip converts the voltage downward. To me that seems a very sensible way of maintaining steady voltage. This unit I've been told by the tech gurus is also PWM with an excellent filter on it.

The way I can tell is that the inexpensive Smoktek Led Digital Voltage tester won't work with units that don't output stable voltage. It won't work with an Ego for example. The PWM is not an issue with this unit or the Provari because the Filter is stabilizing the voltage. With some of the new PWM units a 3.0 is like a 4.0.
I realize this next statement is subjective but using my Led Tester I set the Provari at 4.2 and the Varicool at 4.34 with a Clearomizer Voltage of 4.2 and the vape was identical. You couldn't tell that you were vaping on different units.

One difference between the Provari and the SmokBox Varicool is that if you put the Provari on 4.2 the provari will both put out 4.2V and vape at 4.2V. The Varicool on the other hand drops under load. So to get a 4.2V vape I have to set it at 4.3V or 4.34V depending on the Clearomizer.
In my last testing round, I verified that this drop is instantaneous. There is no spiking of voltages, as soon as the clearomizer is fired the Voltage holds steady. This means that your hit is rock solid no tapering vape.

This weekend I'll be testing the unit, so stay tuned as the test results come in.
 
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A Teaser.
Rob at smoktek sent me a 1.25ohm Dual Coil, a 1.5 Ohm Dual Coil, and a 2.5 Ohm Dual Coil Cartomizer to do my testing with.

How does a
"Varicool Beast Verse Provari in Xtreme Vaping" sound?
How does 8 Amp 48 Watt vaping sound?
Or even 9.6 Amp 57.6 Watt Vaping Sound.
I'm going to find out what this unit will do and how high it will go, we'll find out if it's really a beast
This is going to be a fun weekend.!!
This is going to be cool.!

Provari Users be quiet. Until the testing is done, we won't know if the Beast lives up to it's name and hype. After the tests are finished and posted feel free to comment. Testing is objective I have my predictions but whatever the results of the test are they will be recorded accurately.
 
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A Teaser.
Rob at smoktek sent me a 1.25ohm Dual Coil, a 1.5 Ohm Dual Coil, and a 2.5 Ohm Dual Coil Cartomizer to do my testing with.

How does a
"Varicool Beast Verse Provari in Xtreme Vaping" sound?
How does 8 Amp 48 Watt vaping sound?
Or even 9.6 Amp 57.6 Watt Vaping Sound.
I'm going to find out what this unit will do and how high it will go, we'll find out if it's really a beast
This is going to be a fun weekend.!!
This is going to be cool.!

Provari Users be quiet. Until the testing is done, we won't know if the Beast lives up to it's name and hype. After the tests are done and posted feel free to comment.

What? I can't talk?

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What? I can't talk?

:laugh:
Patience, Patience, Provari Fans will have the opportunity to get angry because a $64.00 Box E-Cig trounces the Iconic $175.00 Provari in Xtreme vaping, or on the other hand feel proud that the Provari beat that cheap looking box mod in stress tests.

We are talking tests with limited parameters. Things that can't be tested are how long the Varicool will hold up. The longterm solidness of the build. This thread isn't going to be about how the Varicool is better than the Provari or Visa Versa. It's simply going to test the two in Xtreme Vaping.

I also am extremely curious about how the Varicool two Trustfire 900Mah batteries combined for a 1800mah (Manufacturer Claim) or (1680mah My estimation based on testing) rating will compare in normal vaping to the Provari running on a 2000 AW IMR. Is the technology used in this unit going to be more or less efficient for battery life than the Provari. So I'll be doing 1 minute burns at 4.2V and timing how many minutes of solid vaping the units will provide.

I have an open mind, Until the test results come in everything is conjecture.
 
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Patience, Patience, Provari Fans will have the opportunity get angry because a $64.00 unit trounces the $175.00 Provari in Xtreme vaping, or on the other hand feel proud that the Provari beat that cheap looking box mod in stress tests.

We are talking tests with limited parameters. Things that can't be tested are how long the Varicool will hold up. The longterm solidness of the build. This thread isn't going to be about how the Varicool is better than the Provari. It's simply going to test the two in Xtreme Vaping.

I also am extremely curious about how the two Trustfire 900Mah batteries combined for a 1800mah rating will compare in normal vaping to the Provari on a 2000 AW IMR. Is this unit going to be more or less efficient for battery life than the Provari. So I'll be doing 1 minute burns at 4.2V and timing how many minutes of solid vaping the units will provide.

I have an open mind, Until the test results come in everything is conjecture.

Dude.. I'm talking.... because you are so totally wrong.

Totally wrong. Tragically wrong.

Most Provari fans would be extremely happy to buy a $64.00 PV which worked as well, as reliably, and as durably as a Provari. I'm in. If they do it I'll buy one.

But you should also remember that my Provari is over a year old. And from that perspective I'm quite happy with the purchase.

But bring it on! If a $64.00 mod ends up as good as a Provari- then Provari prices will fall and EVERYONE wins!
 

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Dude.. I'm talking.... because you are so totally wrong.

Totally wrong. Tragically wrong.

Most Provari fans would be extremely happy to buy a $64.00 PV which worked as well, as reliably, and as durably as a Provari. I'm in. If they do it I'll buy one.

But you should also remember that my Provari is over a year old. And from that perspective I'm quite happy with the purchase.

But bring it on! If a $64.00 mod ends up as good as a Provari- then Provari prices will fall and EVERYONE wins!


Somehow I seriously doubt that!

I agree with Martininc.
The Provari is superior in durability and features. I am absolutely sure of that.
The Provari has proven reliability and shows the battery voltage remaining and the atomizer OHM.

On the other hand the Varicool has a smaller form factor, simpler to operate, and a much lower price point.

In the normal ranges both provide the same quality of vape.

The Paramater of my testing is how they compare on battery life, and Xtreme Vaping. Also will the Beast really utilize it's 6 Amp Chip? And is the 93% efficiency claimed for the chip going to even out the 360mah difference in Batteries.
 
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The limiting factor is going to be the batteries. Those little 14500's aren't going to hold up well to the 5+ amps being asked from them. That is more than an 8C discharge rate for 600mAh AW IMRs. The loaded voltage is going to drop and either shut down the regulator or just flatten out due to not being able to support the current requirement.

Also since it uses batteries in series, the mAh is unchanged. Capacity only conbined in parallel configuration. The ProVari will smash it in a runtime test.
 

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Sorry, but mah DO add for series batteries.

One way to see this is that each battery has a total energy output (volts x mah)
that it can supply. Two batteries, either series or parallel, can supply twice the total energy of one battery, and hence, have twice the battery life for the same load voltage and current at the load (atomizer.)

For example, if one 3.7 V battery were boosted to 7.4 V with electronics, the current supplied by the single battery would have to double what it taken by the load. If the load took 1 amp, the battery would have to supply 2 amps.
(Powers must be the same ! 7.4v x 1 amp = 3.7 v x 2A). On the other hand, if two batteries are used in series, each battery would only draw 1 amp from the 7.4V combination, and last twice as long.

Of course, converter efficiency is not 100%, so the single battery looks even worse. Also, stepping voltage down is usually more efficient than stepping up, which is also in favor of series batteries. Also, each battery has an internal resistance which soaks up power. Again, the series batteries look better in this regard.

The voltage does not have to be stepped up to 7.4 V as in the example. The same conclusion would be drawn at 4V or 6V, for example.

I am an electrical engineer, but have been known to be wrong occasionally !
But, in this case, I don't think so.
 

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I have a Penguin mints tin VV mod from SweetVapes, built by the modder Caged (who also uses Altoids mints tins). $60 shipped.

It uses two 18650s (IMR or ICR---I use some old Ultrafires I had lying around, which to seem to work fine), has a voltage display on the inside of the tin case next to the regulator pot, and uses a 6-amp switching regulator (which is, if I'm not mistaken, the OKR-t6, quite possibly the same one used in the SmokTek box). For a home-built mod, it's very well-made and sturdy, and it performs beautifully.

Many of my VVs perform well, with very little voltage drop under load. The Penguin VV---like my ProVari---seems to have zero voltage drop---none at all. I haven't tried going beyond 15 watts in testing, because I have no desire to burn cartos or pop an atty, but within the 4-to-5+voltage range, it's rock solid. What you set without a load is exactly what you get under load.

Other pluses are the insanely long battery life and the fact that it's a metal box and won't break easily.

I do prefer the smaller size of the 3AA box in the SmokTek VV. I have many VVs and 5V-regulated boxes in that dual-14500 size, and i like the ergonomic fit in my hand more than the larger Penguin. The trade-off is battery life, which is no big deal to me.

The fact that the Penguin tin VV has a built-in voltage display, however, is a major advantage over the SmokTek.

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Billo,

There is plenty of literature on series and parallel batteries...

Serial and Parallel Battery Configurations and Information
Connecting Batteries in Series or Parallel

Battery energy (Wh) and battery capacity (mAh) are two different things. Your example is using power conversion to drive a load. This means that the current drawn from the batteries is different so of course 2A will drain twice as fast as 1A. So let's calculate the mAh for your example:

mAh = mA * hours

Lets assume 3.7v boosted to 7.4v drawing 2A from the battery gave us 1 hour of run time.

2000mA * 1h = 2000mAh

And the series batteries at 7.4v drawing 1A from the batteries should give us double the run time, so 2 hours.

1000mA * 2h = 2000mAh

Series battery configuration does not increase mAh.
 

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Radar, I'm not an expert and if I'm incorrect please point out where.

The thread that you directed me to seemed to assume that the battery was putting out the maximum voltage and not a partial output.
Under the guidelines of that thread the battery would be pushing out 7.4V and yes the Mah would remain the same 840mah. But it would be 840mah at 7.4V.

The Dc to DC converter only draws what it needs.
So if it's drawing 2.5V and you have 7.4 than you'd have more or less double the lifetime of the single 3.7V battery at 2.5V and 800mah.

So the battery life is being extended.



Please excuse the inarticulateness of this post. I'm above my paygrade.
 
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That's correct, Tom.

Watts in must equal watts out (plus efficiancy losses). So in an ideal (not accouning for efficiancy) scenario:

8w @ 4v output = 2a output
and
8w @ 7.4v input = 1.08a input.

The overall battery charge life is extended due to the power conversion and increase in watt hours for series batteries.
 

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The ProVari will smash it in a runtime test.

I rescind this statement.

The AW 2000mAh should have around 5wh down to the Provari's cutoff at 3.2v. If the TF's even live up to 750mAh true capacity then they should deliver around 4.5Wh. I can only take a wild guess at the ProVari's efficiancy, but I do think the OKR has a fighting chance to span the gap.

I eagerly await the test results.
 

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Rader,

Regarding your post above, you just showed that two batteries will run that load for twice as long as one battery, which is exactly what I said.

The statement that "Series battery configuration does not increase mAh" is sort of meaningless then. Certainly you would have to double the mah rating of a single
battery to give the same life as two batteries, as in the example. Again, this is obvious because two batteries have twice the energy capacity of one.

The other statement "Battery energy (Wh) and battery capacity (mAh) are two different things" is true, but the two things are proportional. Energy is power times time. (mAh * battery voltage) has the units of power times time, or energy--in this case milliwatt-hours
since you're using milliamps instead of amps.

So, for the same battery voltage, if you double mAh, you also double the available energy from that battery. Or if you think of the batteries in series, the mAh stays the same but the voltage doubles, which also doubles the available energy.
 
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Assuming that you are talking to me, and not Billherbst...

Chalk it up to semantics. I never said they wouldn't run longer in a mod, just that mAh doesnt multiply in series.


The two terms, mAh and Wh, have specific meanings for specific uses so I try not to confuse the two...or confuse other readers by confusing the two. There is already enough misinformation on the internet.
 

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The 1st Test Single Coil LR at High Voltage

The testing method was as follows. The Provari V2 was set to output exact Voltage . The 6Amp Beast was set for an output approximately .14v higher than what we wanted, because the Beast under load with this Clearomizer is approximately .14V lower under load. Watts and Amps were figured out According to this link Ohm's and Joule's Law Calculator

The Equipment:
1. Provari V2 Recently Upgraded from V1 to V2
2. Smoktek Smokbox Varicool 6 Amp Beast
3. A Smoktek Digital LED Voltage Tester
4. Provari Voltage testing feature was used to verify that the Smoktek LED Voltage Tester was accurate.
5. Vivi Nova 1.8OHM Clearomizer. According to the Provari the 1.8OHm was putting out at 2.0. The Vivi Nova had been run for more than a week at lower voltages to break it in. It was the testers feeling that a broken in clearomizer was less likely to pop than a brand new one. I'm going to accept that the Provari is accurate and we'll call this a 2.Ohm Clearomizer for simplification purposes.
6. For the Provari, the battery used was an AW IMR 18650 2000mah (Bought at Lighthound)*
7. For the 6 Amp Beast the battery used was two AW IMR 14500 600 mAH (Bought at Lighthound)*
8. Both were charged to 4.15V +- .05 (Provari says 4.1, Multimeter says 4.17)
9. Xtar WP2 II Li-Ion Charger- for the AW IMR 14500
10. SoShine SC-S2 Revision 2 Charger for the AW 18650
* Lighthound has a reputation for carrying authentic AW Batteries.

The Results
The 6 Amp Beast Smashed the Provari on Xtreme Vaping with a 1.8Ohm (2.0Ohm) Vivi Nova Clearomizer. The Provari V2 was only able to go to 5.5V before it errored out. The Provari V2 maxed out at 5.5V 2.75 Amps and 15.1 Watts.

The 6AMP Beast never maxed out. It's rated at 6V and put out 6.6v and 6.4V under Load. It reached 6.4Vo 3.2 Amps and 20 Watts. and never broke a sweat.
For xtreme vaping with a 1.8Ohm Clearomizer the Provari protections either kicked in, or the unit simply couldn't pull the Amps even though the V2 is rated at 3.5 Amps.

The 6Amp Beast was the clear winner.
By the way both the Beast and Provari were rock solid in maintaining Voltages. I vaped for approximately 5-10 seconds on both and the only fluctuation was around .1V. Considering that there must be some rounding up this is miniscule vape fluctuation. Interestingly enough the Provari fluctuated in it's output at the lower end but at the higher end was 100% solid.

Testing went as follows
Unit Rated Ohm Output Alon
Provari 1.8Ohm 4.2v Output 4.23 led tester 4.21 under Load
Provari 1.8Ohm 5.0 Output 5.0 under Load
Provari 1.8 Ohm 5.5 Output 5.5 Under load
Provari 1.8 Ohm 5.6 Output Error Code 13// e1 Error Code 13// e1

6 Amp Beast 1.8Ohm 4.35v Output 4.21 under Load
6 Amp Beast 1.8Ohm 5.2V Output 5.1 under Load
6 Amp Beast 1.8 Ohm 6.20V Output 6.0 under Load
6 Amp Beast 1.8 Ohm 6.6V Output 6.4V Under Load

Conclusion: Provari V2 was solidly trounced by the 6 Amp Beast in LR Vaping at High Voltage. To take the 6 Amp Beast to the Max, it's going to take some dual coil Cartomizers.
 
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The Next test was going to be with a 2.4Ohm Cartomizer but the Provari tested it out at 3.0Ohm.
This time the Provari performed well. I was able to take it up to 6V and it held the charge under load
Since 6V with 3.0 Ohm is only 12 Watts and 2 Amps I don't consider this Xtreme Vaping.

The 6 Amp Beast again beat the Provari with a 6.6V output and vaped at 6.4 under load for 13.5 Watts and 2.13 Amps

It's time to pull out the Dual Coil Cartomizers and see what the 6V Beast is capable of.
 
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