The American Cancer Society posed the question "How did you quit smoking" of Facebook.

[AndriaD]

The problem here is that the ACS (and ALA, CDC, NIH, WHO...), at an institutional level, considers vaping to be the same thing as smoking. In their world, none of us have actually 'quit' smoking so long as we continue to vape.
We know the difference quite well, but they don't get it at all.

Their report or press release on this (if it ever happens) will likely start with: "Even though many testimonials were provided by those who have switched to smoking electronic cigarettes...yada yada...etc..."

Thanks to everyone for signing though, even if it's just to mess with 'em a bit.

Which is kinda funny, since all the gov't boobs are upsot about all the tax money they're missing, because we're NOT buying cigarettes.

So which is it, pinheads of the world... are we buying cigarettes or aren't we? If we're not buying smokables, then CLEARLY we're NOT smoking, and the taxman is fit to be tied about it.

Andria

 

[MaxwellPink]

Can't post a quit story, since I've only (significantly) reduced at this time.

Love the vaping= SAFER THAN PEANUTS post though.

 

[philoshop]

I really like that they're probably not getting the responses they may have been hoping/wishing for.

The way these folks (the alphabet soup bowl) think is wrong. I'm not sure how to change their thinking, but I have a sense they'll regret it when it all shakes out.

Andria, in many ways this comes down to a basic question: "Are you willing to lie and indirectly hurt others to keep your job? Let's see a show of bobble-heads in response."

 

[OlderNDirt]

Right or wrong, good or bad, I left a Reader's Digest version of my story.

 

[DC2]

I don't use Facebook so can't reply but I probably wouldn't even if I did. I think the ACS is part of the problem. Think about it. If no one smokes anymore what happens to their government funding? Just a thought to ponder.

Don't forget about the influence that Big Pharma has had on the American Cancer Society...
Grant Archive - Robert Wood Johnson Foundation

SmokeLess States: National Tobacco Policy Initiative - Robert Wood Johnson Foundation
SmokeLess States: National Tobacco Policy Initiative - Robert Wood Johnson Foundation
Developing a sustainability plan for the Center for Tobacco Cessation - Robert Wood Johnson Foundation
SmokeLess States: National Tobacco Policy Initiative - Special Opportunities grant - Washington - Robert Wood Johnson Foundation
SmokeLess States: National Tobacco Policy Initiative - Special Opportunities grant - Ohio - Robert Wood Johnson Foundation
Pursuing a public policy change to mandated coverage of smoking cessation services by Medicaid - Robert Wood Johnson Foundation
Sustaining Medicaid smoking cessation benefits in Massachusetts - Robert Wood Johnson Foundation
Building a grassroots campaign to support the introduction and passage of a smoke-free ordinance in Jackson, Mississippi - Robert Wood Johnson Foundation
Developing and conducting a smoke-free campaign in Tuscaloosa, Alabama - Robert Wood Johnson Foundation
Promoting an increased tobacco tax to prevent tobacco use initiation and encourage tobacco cessation - Robert Wood Johnson Foundation
Statewide coalitions to discourage tobacco use and promote responsible public policies for New Mexico's minority communities - Robert Wood Johnson Foundation
Statewide project focusing on educating, promoting, and implementing tobacco-free workplace policies among Latino-owned businesses - Robert Wood Johnson Foundation
Promoting an increase in smoke-free workplaces and protection of Master Settlement funds for tobacco control - Robert Wood Johnson Foundation

I could go on, and on, and on, and on with this...
There are SO many more.

Who is Robert Wood Johnson Foundation?
FORCES International - News Portal

They are Big Pharma.

 

[philoshop]

A truly impressive display DC2.

They have no desire to understand reality.

 

[DC2]

They have no desire to understand reality.

They have a vested financial interest in opposing reality.
And they spread the wealth.

And they have an IMMENSE amount of wealth to spread.
After all, they are Big Pharma.

 

[Ibitz]

Done! Short but they will get the idea

 

[AndriaD]

They have a vested financial interest in opposing reality.
And they spread the wealth.

And they have an IMMENSE amount of wealth to spread.
After all, they are Big Pharma.

And this is the primary reason I hate the rich: they use their money to get their own way, to be the boss of everyone, to be the biggest bully on the playground. It's just evil.

Andria

 

[Painter_]

Lots of great posts on the Facebook thread. At minimum people who go to the Cancer Society's Facebook page may see that there is a lot that this and the other orgs are not telling them.

 

[woodhippy]

Done 2385 comments so far.

 

[DC2]

And this is the primary reason I hate the rich: they use their money to get their own way, to be the boss of everyone, to be the biggest bully on the playground. It's just evil.

I don't know if I qualify as rich, but I certainly qualify as well off and set for retirement.
And I would like to say that hopefully, some of us work hard and try to steer in the direction of their moral compass.

Many, obviously, do not.
Certainly, some do not even have one.

But keep in mind it's not just the rich that play dirty.
Someone broke into a neighboring property recently and stole things at knife-point.

And we live in a gated community.
So yeah, human nature.

I guess my neighbors didn't have a Mossberg shotgun like I have.

But there is a difference between forsaking any moral compass for getting super rich...
Versus forsaking said compass to live and survive.

I minored in philosophy, so forgive me if I wax philosophical.

 

[kaahn]

And this is the primary reason I hate the rich: they use their money to get their own way, to be the boss of everyone, to be the biggest bully on the playground. It's just evil.

Andria

It's not the money that is the root of all evil. It's the love of money that is. I wouldn't go as far as lumping all rich into one category. There are lots that use their money for good. Not all use it to promote ones own self interest. A lot have worked hard for what they have earned and to demonize all would be a mistake. And to punish them for there successes would be even a bigger disservice to what makes the whole journey worthwhile. If there is no reward why bother?

 

[AndriaD]

I don't know if I qualify as rich, but I certainly qualify as well off and set for retirement.
And I would like to say that hopefully, some of us work hard and try to steer in the direction of their moral compass.

Many, obviously, do not.
Certainly, some do not even have one.

But keep in mind it's not just the rich that play dirty.
Someone broke into a neighboring property recently and stole things at knife-point.

And we live in a gated community.
So yeah, human nature.

I guess my neighbors didn't have a Mossberg shotgun like I have.

But there is a difference between forsaking any moral compass for getting super rich...
Versus forsaking said compass to live and survive.

I minored in philosophy, so forgive me if I wax philosophical.

There's a difference in those who worked hard and invested or saved wisely, who get to enjoy that kind of independence in retirement -- my parents are like that -- and those who have so much money that if they and 10 generations of their descendants all lived to be 1000, they could never spend all their money. People enjoying the fruits of their hard work in retirement are just as much victims of those richer-than-god people as those of us who live paycheck to paycheck -- my parents' retirement money got considerably lighter thanks to the Wall St/banking fiasco of a few years back. Those people have absolutely no comprehension of the need to "make a living" -- they have theirs on a silver platter, all their lives. If they do something that causes untold suffering for millions if not billions of people, they're all "oopsie!", because it means nothing to them, in real terms -- but their bottom-lines go up, so they don't think there's any problem at all!

Andria

 

[bluecat]

I don't know if I qualify as rich, but I certainly qualify as well off and set for retirement.
And I would like to say that hopefully, some of us work hard and try to steer in the direction of their moral compass.

Many, obviously, do not.
Certainly, some do not even have one.

But keep in mind it's not just the rich that play dirty.
Someone broke into a neighboring property recently and stole things at knife-point.

And we live in a gated community.
So yeah, human nature.

I guess my neighbors didn't have a Mossberg shotgun like I have.

But there is a difference between forsaking any moral compass for getting super rich...
Versus forsaking said compass to live and survive.

I minored in philosophy, so forgive me if I wax philosophical.

It isn't the money it is the person behind the money.

One example.. I have a client that would lose 500-750k a year in their business. They kept doing it to keep their employees a job. This doesn't include the amount they give to charity. They are truly a wonderful couple. They would also work 7 days a week 15 hours a day at it.

I was the one that kept telling them year after year they would be better off not working.

 

[The Ocelot]

I minored in philosophy, so forgive me if I wax philosophical.

Just don't get it on the table.

 

[ReigntheGamer]

Which is kinda funny, since all the gov't boobs are upsot about all the tax money they're missing, because we're NOT buying cigarettes.

So which is it, pinheads of the world... are we buying cigarettes or aren't we? If we're not buying smokables, then CLEARLY we're NOT smoking, and the taxman is fit to be tied about it.

Andria

I'll give you one guess which word in this post grabbed my attention as soon as the page loaded.

 

[ckquatt]

I'll give you one guess which word in this post grabbed my attention as soon as the page loaded. [emoji38][emoji38]

Buying?

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[ReigntheGamer]

Buying?

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That's it ya got me I'm a shopaholic.

 

[Marc411]

I posted and read quite a bit and I find it insane that people without knowledge will say just about anything to fight vaping. One turned their attack on nicotine which over the past couple years has had several articles published on the benefits of nicotine without tobacco. This is one of my favorites because Dr. Paul Newhouse, the director of Vanderbilt University's Center for Cognitive Medicine participated.

A couple of significant statements.

nicotine by itself isn't very addictive at all

and....

In our studies we find it actually reduces blood pressure chronically. And there were no addiction or withdrawal problems

And it has medical benefits for people with Alzheimer's and Parkinson's disease.

Full article:

Study finds nicotine safe, helps in Alzheimer's, Parkinson's