The Battle For eCigs Has Been Officialy WON! The Facts On Your Screen
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I probably should too 
I'm not sure Dems or Reps are capable of not blowing smoke up __@@s.
But yah, don't put us e-cig deivants on the same list as other lobby groups, I don't think that's been very productive. Money doesn't talk, it puts them all on the same side!
Just tell them, keep your hands off my PV or else and be done with it. I'm sure I appreciate all those who say they're looking out for me, but I want them to stop now. Please don't do us any more favors.
But yah, don't put us e-cig deivants on the same list as other lobby groups, I don't think that's been very productive. Money doesn't talk, it puts them all on the same side!
Just tell them, keep your hands off my PV or else and be done with it. I'm sure I appreciate all those who say they're looking out for me, but I want them to stop now. Please don't do us any more favors.
This is a fair and respectable point of view.
And what davidzx is still not seeing is that the title of the thread, and why so many people are clicking it, is a lie.
Your sir, lied. There is no other way around it, it stands as a fact.
There is no final judgement.
Nothing has been finalized.
The issue is still legally pending.
Without closure or a ruling the battle has NOT been won, but is on going. That is a pure and simple FACT, and until we have a final judgement regardless of its outcome your thread is nothing more than propaganda. I dont care what KIND of propaganda or political affiliation for that matter, your posts read like propaganda newscast. This statement has nothing to do with my political affiliation, or yours.
Do i need to seriously break down every word of the title for this thread to prove my point?
The Battle For eCigs Has Been Officialy WON! The Facts On Your Screen
The battle for ecigs - You are obviously referring to the ongoing litigation with references in your first post to legal stances made by republican governors, judges and other political entities. Fair enough and food for thought, i did not debate the matter of the individual showing support but rather an entity as a whole.
Has Been Officialy WON! - This is where the contention arrises. The use of the word OFFICIALY carries a certain weight, as does your use of ! as if showing excitement, or stating a exciting event. In fact this line was exactly why I clicked the post in the first place. Yet, nowhere do you present "official" minutes or a link to a final, ratified court document stating a ruling has been passed, signed and accepted. It seems to me without the "official" proof the use of the word "official" is rather...unofficial?
The Facts On Your Screen - Facts, a word that caries weight. What exactly are the "facts" presented though. I will not debate or argue the individual and good stance of several members of the republican party, no more than I would those individuals that exist in any party. But using the word FACTS right after the phrase "officially won" implies that you have some inside, legal, knowledge of a final ratified judgement concerning to ecigs. Instead all that is presented is a personal world view (yours) and several random random statements composed of semi-logical phrase linking between individuals in a six degrees of kevin bacon manner. Yet nowhere is the final, legal FACT of which you spoke posted as said event has not come to pass yet. You simply cannot make something up and call it a "fact", and I dont care what political party does so its still bogus.
And so on, and so on, and so on .....
I could go debating this for hours, lets leave it at this.
I have made a prognoses, based on the circumstances
You have made your own prediction
In September - we'll compare and contrast our suppositions.
Have you even read my original post?
100% Republican support in prior months/years .... NOW we will have Republican Judges taking this on in September READ MY POST!
After analyzing this, and taking into consideration the unfailing mantra and maxim of life:
History doesn't repeat itself, but It rhymes
YOU HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO DISAGREE.
YOU HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO HAVE A DIFFERENT VIEW.
YOU HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO INITIATE DEROGATORY ATTACKS ON MY POST!
UNTIL,
The September oral arguments.
HENCE,
You have your point of view, I have my own
One will be derailed and debunked, the other will be upheld.
It could be yours, It could be mine - LETS WAIT AND SEE
I could go debating this for hours, lets leave it at this.
I have made a prognoses, based on the circumstances
You have made your own prediction
In September - we'll compare and contrast our suppositions.
Have you even read my original post?
100% Republican support in prior months/years .... NOW we will have Republican Judges taking this on in September READ MY POST!
After analyzing this, and taking into consideration the unfailing mantra and maxim of life:
History doesn't repeat itself, but It rhymes
YOU HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO DISAGREE.
YOU HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO HAVE A DIFFERENT VIEW.
YOU HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO INITIATE DEROGATORY ATTACKS ON MY POST!
UNTIL,
The September oral arguments.
HENCE,
You have your point of view, I have my own
One will be derailed and debunked, the other will be upheld.
It could be yours, It could be mine - LETS WAIT AND SEE
Im fine with that, though I made no "predictions",but next time dont try and claim something as fact and finished that is not. It makes you sound like Beck.
Well we did seem to change the views of quite a few democratic senators here in Illinois when our ban almost made it into law. And that was just prior to the New York bill being introduced.
So there is hope in both parties.
Oh and I am a Republican in case anybody thinks I'm just trying to defend the Demo's as a party supporter.
So there is hope in both parties.
Oh and I am a Republican in case anybody thinks I'm just trying to defend the Demo's as a party supporter.
I could not agree more with this. I keep myself pretty aprised of the e-cig debate and litigation, and expected, based on the title, to come into this thread and find something great that I missed. I am quite disappointed. Excuse me while I grab my 510 and cry now.
The e-cig decision cannot be a political decision, or it will remain undecided and debated for a very long time, depending on who gets more "donations" from big tobacco. It is up to us to educate people about them and how they have helped tens of thousands of people. Maybe I'm naive, but I'd say 99% of the people that I encounter and educate about them walk away supporting us. It doesn't take a rocket scientist (or FDA scientist) to figure out which is better between an analog & an e-cig. Ds or Rs won't decide this matter for the people; this needs to truly be grass roots if we will win. That means that every one of us needs to do our part.
...now where'd I put that spare atomizer?
You are absolutely correct...
When I ask people what they know about E-Cigs, the majority answer with "I heard they have deadly ingredients in them. The same stuff in Anti Freeze."
And most walk away knowing better after I've had a chance to explain to them what the FDA failed to expand on in whatever article they may have read.
When I ask people what they know about E-Cigs, the majority answer with "I heard they have deadly ingredients in them. The same stuff in Anti Freeze."
And most walk away knowing better after I've had a chance to explain to them what the FDA failed to expand on in whatever article they may have read.
Again,I ask you Shadowwolf--Since you live in California and are politically compatible with Attorney General Jerry Brown--candidate for Governor--will you lobby him to support ecigs? We could certainly use your help and support. At this time he is fighting ecigs.
Well we did seem to change the views of quite a few democratic senators here in Illinois when our ban almost made it into law. And that was just prior to the New York bill being introduced.
So there is hope in both parties.
Oh and I am a Republican in case anybody thinks I'm just trying to defend the Demo's as a party supporter.
The illinois ban didn't pass???
This I can do, though I may be a bit long winded. This has the side effect of not only reaching him as AG, but also possibly influencing the man who might become the the next governor of California as well (Though I honestly dont know how this race will turn out, its interesting to note local conservative talk radio and KFI in particular has turned mostly against Meg Whitman).
Despite having rejoined the Democratic party he is more of a centrist and thus probably more open to non partisan ideas. The state Legislature however remains as partisan as ever, but they would probably keep to busy back stabbing one another and blocking a motion to order wendys for lunch over party lines then take notice of ecigs outside of revenue streams. His intentions may be along the same line, tax streams. Also he is really only targeting one company, Smoking Everywhere for their well knows and bogus claims and advertising stunts. He would probably be more open to a more responsible open ecig industry that didnt try and make false claims and use underhanded tactics. Time will tell on this though, he could go either way.
Maybe now would be a fun time to mention im considering running for LA City office of some sort as a centrist. Looking at the others already serving it is not like I would need prior experience...
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Nope.
After the hearing it was shelved. The following day on the Illinois page for the bill some of the sponsors removed their names from the bill, including the chair of the health and human services committee.
And thank god for that... There are quite a few E-Cig and E-Juice distributors in Illinois including V4L that would have had problems if it had passed.
It goes to show that even bills with almost full support from the House don't always pass. The house vote in Illinois was 49 in support of the ban and 4 against before it was handed off to the senate for committee and final approval.
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Yeah! I kinda think that what happens once it passes the house... is that people START paying attention so there is more info out there by the time it gets to the senate. I don't know if that's true or not just my own theory.
The bans that have been prevented to date (with the exception of CA) were only prevented by CASAA and National Vapers Club representatives attending meetings and speaking to the health committees. Most often individuals drive or fly at their own expense to these meetings, but they will not be able to continue to do this. This is why it is essential that we support these groups.
9 out of 10 anarchists support electronic cigarettes. Burn your ballot.
BTW matt salmon is a
(oh nevermind I can't say that can I?)
BTW matt salmon is a
(oh nevermind I can't say that can I?)
The Day that oBAMa came on the scene I went and changed to Independent.
And as far as B.O. smoking occasionally that's a lot of tripe, You and I know it can't be done. Most assured he is sneaking smokes. Read the Rags....
Wonder if he uses the E-Cig.......hmmmm.
And as far as B.O. smoking occasionally that's a lot of tripe, You and I know it can't be done. Most assured he is sneaking smokes. Read the Rags....
Wonder if he uses the E-Cig.......hmmmm.
I read somewhere on here I think.... there was a suggestion that someone should send him one for his birthday... But hey... who has 70$ to spend on the president with all the prices going up and people out of work and stuff? LOL
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