The Battle For eCigs Has Been Officialy WON! The Facts On Your Screen

[CtryBoy]

Sorry I just couldnt force myself to read the whole thing, but so far it seems to be degenerating like most forays into anything political or hot button topic. Only thing missing is a militia reference or two to provide some fair and balanced reporting.

I pray the OP is right and the court track is full of hurdles for the FDA to have to deal with time and again as they ride the merry go round of appeals, etc. But given that even defeated in court the FDA rarely gives up the fight. God forbid the latest food crisis gets some quick and dirty bill passed to give these idiots any more power.

Still wonder if being the small fry in a big pond of issues and overreaches by govt is a good or bad thing. The courts at least seem to favor us when the FDA has to actually make an argument, but my biggest concern is seeing the FDA 'approval' letter after they fail to ban ecigs.

Reading one of those will make you wonder how anybody can afford to produce something as simple as toothpaste these days. Maybe they will be so short handed since they all have to go out to check on the eggs at the farms they'll have to leave us alone, but I'm not counting on them giving up without some serious housecleaning at the FDA.

Even if the Republicans take back the house/senate/whatever, the same idiots who tried to ban ecigs in the first place will still be there to keep trying to stick a finger in our eye. Wish there was a good way to make examples out of the lawyers and fake scientists running this circus. Would much rather they be collecting unemployment than getting a tax funded salary to pee in my wheaties on a daily basis.

 

[davidzx]

Ok guys ---- YOU'VE GOT TO watch this

Neil Cavuto on Fox Business News --- Telling off the FDA!

"Get off our asses"

I've NEVER seen a regular news broadcast like this before.

Cavuto is a nice guy .....

Could you imagine how bad this would be when Judge Nepolitano takes on the case for eCigs?

The FDA would just decommission itself out of embarrassment. lol

 

[Skwerl]

Davidzx, you are my new hero!

 

[Scott Tenorman]

This is politics. It has never had anything to do with what's right.

I disagree. There was a time long ago that politics had everything to do with what is right. That time has long since passed. We can only hope that a few voices will speak up for what is right on both sides of the aisle on this issue.

 

[Scott Tenorman]

Well said CtryBoy

 

[Skwerl]

Don't forget the Maha Rushie- Rush Limbaugh is a vaper. We need some more high profile e-cig users.

 

[DaveP]

Nice link here on safety of Ecigs and comparison to tobacco cigarettes by Carl Phillips TobaccoHarmReduction.org Institute at the University of Alberta, Canada.

Read more: Carl Phillips Electronic Cigarette Interview

 

[IndieVisible]

I have spent hours and pulled an all-nigther to figure it out.


Will electronic cigarettes be banned in the United States, or heavily regulated?


We must first understand the people who will make those decisions.


New Jersey Former Governor Jon Corzine

Approved and signed into law a ban on using electronic cigarettes in public places. Jon Corzine believes that they are dangerous, you cannot use eCigs in bars, restaurants, etc. SIGNED INTO LAW, APPROVED.

Governor Jon Corzine - DEMOCRAT.


Oregon Attorney General John Kroger

Submitted an injunction to prohibit Smoking Everywhere from selling eCigs in the State of Oregon.

"This settlement will help protect our teens from unsafe products"

John Kroger – DEMOCRAT.


New York Attorney General Andrew M. Cuomo

Aided in the proposal of the New York ecig ban.

Andrew M. Cuomo - DEMOCRAT.


New York State Assemblyman Jeffrey Klein

He proposed and promoted legislation (S7234) that would ban the sale of e-cigarettes in the state of New York.

Democratic State Committeeman and District Leader (1994). Current NY Assemblyman (D-34th District)

Jeffrey Klein - DEMOCRAT.


California Attorney General Edmund J Brown Jr

“Electronic cigarette companies have targeted minors with fruit-flavored products and misleading claims that their products are safe,”

Filed the lawsuit against SE. Charmian of the Democratic Party (1989–1991)

Edmund J Brown Jr - DEMOCRAT.




----- THE OTHER SIDE OF THE AISLE -----




Judge Richard J. Leon Federal District Court Judge

First political footprint, made on January 14, ruled against the FDA. HIS TAGLINE? ...

"ORDERED that FDA shall not detain or refuse admission into the United States of Smoking Everywhere's electronic cigarette products ...SO ORDERED" (Civil Case No. 09-771)

Judge Richard J. Leon - REPUBLICAN



Mat Salmon, Former US Congressman, President of the Electronic Cigarette Association

He says to the FDA, I quote:

“THE MESSAGE IS WRONG, AND IT CANNOT BE A GOOD THING”

Mat Salmon – REPUBLICAN.


Florida Representative Cliff Stearns

From CNN News Article:

“President Obama, who has described himself as an occasional smoker, has been offered one of the devices by Florida Rep. Cliff Stearns. The Republican lawmaker’s office said the president did not respond.”

Offering Obama Electronic Cigarettes?

REPUBLICAN.


California Governor Arnold Swarchenegger

DENIED AND RESCINDED A PROPOSAL TO BAN ELECTRONIC CIGARETTES. THANK YOU GOVERNOR. Swarchenegger said "adults are old enough to make their own decisions." he believes the FDA doesn't have to make them for us.

Arnold Swarchenegger – REPUBLICAN.



CAN WE SEE A CORRELATION? OR AM I GOING BLIND?


POLITICS 101 CRASH COURSE:

REPUBLICANS WANT: SMALL GOVERNMENT, LOWER TAXES, FREE ENTERPRISE

DEMOCRATS WANT: BIG GOVERNMENT, HIGHER TAXES, MORE REGULATION


We clearly see that Republicans are in favor of electronic cigarettes. Can we not?

So,

The mantra and maxim of the court system is this:

“The higher up in court you go, the more political the ruling as opposed to lawful”

WE WANT REPUBLICANS!



“It is ORDERED, on the court's own motion, that this case be scheduled for oral argument on September 23, 2010, at 9:30 A.M., before Circuit Judges Garland and Kavanaugh and Senior Circuit Judge Williams.”

Judge Garland – DEMOCRAT

Judge Kavanaugh – REBUPLICAN

Judge Williams – REPUBLICAN

YEA FOR ECIGS: 2

NAY FOR ECIGS: 1


OUTNUMBERED.


BUT WAIT!

The CHIEF JUDGE, DAVID B. SENTELLE is a hardcore extremist Republican! (He is the Chief Judge in the Circuit, HE HAS THE FINAL WORD)

Quote from his book:

“Judge Dave is sincere and admits up front that this was one case where the results, and not the letter of the law, drove his decision.”

“The result is an endearing account of how a conservative judge faced 15,000 decadent hippies (and at least one elephant), the ACLU, snarky law clerks, a ticking clock, and his own Senate confirmation to the D.C. Circuit in the background, and still managed to avoid catastrophe by avoiding a ruling on the law.”


THE JUDGE (IN HIS OWN BIO) I Saying: LEGAL JARGON AND LINGO, TERMINOLOGY, JURISDICTION DOESN'T MATTER!

What matters is who are the people that will make these decisions? Who are they? And what are their views on eCigs?

The facts on your screen.

Republican leadership dominates the courts, the case for eCigs is looking good.

AGAIN, forget "legality" or "health concerns"

Two views - (1) AGAINST eCigs, (2) FOR eCigs

Who is against, who is for?

If the Judge that takes on this case is Republican - Grab a beer, some McDonals, put a BIG SMILE ON as we watch the court session derail and debunk the FDA. We can all exhale the breath of relief.

If the Judge is a Democrat - your next breath will be filled with regular cigarette smoke.

That's the bottom line.


Thankfully, the majority of our higher courts Judges are Republican. This signals a 89% chance for a promising eCig victory.

Please don't forget this little piece of information...

President Barack Obama (Democrat) signed into law the Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act (FSPTCA, also known as the Tobacco Control Act) granting the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) authority to regulate tobacco products.

As an Independent leaning towards libertarian, I think it's always been pretty clear who the players are and how they will always play

 

[Vanisle]

Nice link here on safety of Ecigs and comparison to tobacco cigarettes by Carl Phillips TobaccoHarmReduction.org Institute at the University of Alberta, Canada.

Read more: Carl Phillips Electronic Cigarette Interview

Go Canada Go.

This interview needs mass exposure.

 

[Sinless1]

Please don't forget this little piece of information...

President Barack Obama (Democrat) signed into law the Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act (FSPTCA, also known as the Tobacco Control Act) granting the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) authority to regulate tobacco products.

As an Independent leaning towards libertarian, I think it's always been pretty clear who the players are and how they will always play

Why Leaning libertarian? The only way things will change is when "we the people" stand up against this "two party system" they keep cramming down our throats!

Read this BS http://www.gop.com/2008Platform/2008platform.pdf
and this BS
Democratic Platform
then Read
The US constitution

Once you have done this you might find out you Were always Libertarian!
and can't ever again be sold the BS anymore!

also while reading the 2 party platforms think about the past and current acting presidents actions and you will see none of the current presidents followed there party platforms. All they did was lip service and promises until they got voted in!
LIARS !!!!!
We the people have a recourse for a civil servant who does not represent there constituents! It's called IMPEACHMENT or RECALL

People need to forget this "Democracy" word they keep selling to Us and our children.
Democracy is " A Dictatorship over the minority by the majority"

you will not find a single occurrence of the word "democracy" in the bill of rights or US constitution for a reason!


If 51% of non smokers say the ecig should be banned, then the other 49% are screwed! This is not Freedom of choice!

the constitution is and was designed to "LIMIT GOVERNMENT" not the people !
to prevent government from growing out of hand such as the FDA !

I see comments and talk on this forum from people suggesting they go ahead and regulate and tax e-liquid and this SICKENS ME !

NO NO NO !!!!!
We don not need another "SIN" Tax . Have you people forgotten the INSANE TAXES WE WERE PAYING ON TOBACCO? $5.00+ per pack in NY for example

I SAY ....... that ....... the FDA and the socialist "Nanny State"
I will Buy sell and use E-liquid and E-cigs no matter what they say or do!

It is my god given right to do so!
IT IS TIME MORE PEOPLE STAND UP IN CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE before you wake up tomorrow and find many other rights are taken away!

 

[IndieVisible]

Ok guys ---- YOU'VE GOT TO watch this

Neil Cavuto on Fox Business News --- Telling off the FDA!

"Get off our asses"

I've NEVER seen a regular news broadcast like this before.

Cavuto is a nice guy .....

Could you imagine how bad this would be when Judge Nepolitano takes on the case for eCigs?

The FDA would just decommission itself out of embarrassment. lol

I agree. The FDA has been very consistent in only one thing, being inconsistent. It's time to put this pork commission out of it's misery and save the tax payers some money.

 

[transmothra]

Yeah! Screw the FDA! We don't need nobody regulating our drugs or foods anyway! If i want to put something in my body that contains toxic chemicals, i should be able to! And if the corporation producing the products i want to ingest want to put toxic chemicals in those products, they should NOT be forced to tell me that it might kill me!! It goes against a little something called the U.S. Constitution!!!

 

[jtcaseyjr]

Yeah! Screw the FDA! We don't need nobody regulating our drugs or foods anyway! If i want to put something in my body that contains toxic chemicals, i should be able to! And if the corporation producing the products i want to ingest want to put toxic chemicals in those products, they should NOT be forced to tell me that it might kill me!! It goes against a little something called the U.S. Constitution!!!

The problem isn't really regulation, it's the inconsistency of it. E-cigs are bad, but cigarettes a known killer, are fine. The FDA is trying to flex muscle and they are flexing it at the small guy. If they really had muscle they would be jumping down big Tobacco's throat and doing something about a KNOWN killer.

 

[HeatherC]

The problem isn't really regulation, it's the inconsistency of it. E-cigs are bad, but cigarettes a known killer, are fine. The FDA is trying to flex muscle and they are flexing it at the small guy. If they really had muscle they would be jumping down big Tobacco's throat and doing something about a KNOWN killer.

Actually that issue has already been decided the FDA cannot ban cigarettes I don't remember exactly where it is that i read this but I believe it is the tobacco act that allows them to regulate but NOT ban them.

 

[usamare]

Yeah! Screw the FDA! We don't need nobody regulating our drugs or foods anyway! If i want to put something in my body that contains toxic chemicals, i should be able to! And if the corporation producing the products i want to ingest want to put toxic chemicals in those products, they should NOT be forced to tell me that it might kill me!! It goes against a little something called the U.S. Constitution!!!

Now you mention it...Read a few pages of this: FDAReview.org, a project of The Independent Institute
The bit about aspirin is particularly edifying.

 

[jtcaseyjr]

Actually that issue has already been decided the FDA cannot ban cigarettes I don't remember exactly where it is that i read this but I believe it is the tobacco act that allows them to regulate but NOT ban them.

Okay I'll go with that, If they are not allowed then fine. But I know there are WAY bigger fish to fry and WAY more proven harmful drugs on the market that the FDA should be more concerned about. How is it I can see a commercial for any drug and half the commercial is about possible side effects, many of which include DEATH. Yet vaping is bad?

Let me be clear here, I am not against having an across the board even handed approach to all E-cig makers/suppliers as I have read on these forums alone some horror stories of getting for lack of a better term "junk" However if E-cigs are regulated as a drug, it is in effect banned, period. None of the small vendors can afford to go through the testing. I also highly doubt the big vendors would either, as the big vendors aren't really that big if you compare them to other pharma companies.

 

[gice]

We won! Woo Hoo!

Nope, i didn't read any of the responses.

 

[HeatherC]

Okay I'll go with that, If they are not allowed then fine. But I know there are WAY bigger fish to fry and WAY more proven harmful drugs on the market that the FDA should be more concerned about. How is it I can see a commercial for any drug and half the commercial is about possible side effects, many of which include DEATH. Yet vaping is bad?

Let me be clear here, I am not against having an across the board even handed approach to all E-cig makers/suppliers as I have read on these forums alone some horror stories of getting for lack of a better term "junk" However if E-cigs are regulated as a drug, it is in effect banned, period. None of the small vendors can afford to go through the testing. I also highly doubt the big vendors would either, as the big vendors aren't really that big if you compare them to other pharma companies.

Totally in agreement!

 

[Sentinal]

Bottom line is they wont be banned but made as expensive as analogs and that will benefit both state and fed govt. So then comes the next delima..will online sales be banned as are tobacco products? If this were the country my grandfathers stormed the beaches in the pacific for then; this product would force the tobacco industry to get in this business to stay in business. However since we are moving into a state where George Orwell could declare "I told you so"; then the state(or fed govt) will handcuff any threat to revenue and big tobacco.
On the original topic: I hate political parties! They only represent themselves and not the people they are supposed to represent. I am a capitalist, conservative, originalist...whatever...but I will never be affiliated with ANY party. Look at what all these idiots are doing right now to our country..we are a country/society in decline and they ALL have been bought and would sell each and everyone out, to forward their shady agendas. Anyone here thinks that the US govt/FDA loses and gets no revenue from it must be in a world with a different colored sun than I. We will be paying as much for a bottle of nic juice as 3 cartons of cigs. As much as I hate to see it; it will happen. JMO

 

[Tom_E_Calm7]

I keep telling you people : Stock up on e-juice and supplies n o w!!!!