The bf mod that should not have had this chip

[Coastal Cowboy]

Your battery just can't put out the amps needed to fire at 55 Watts once it reaches that particular charge state, and your mod doesn't "know" it because it's still reading a charge within the mod's specs. That is the only reasonable explanation.

You can't accurately compare it to a mod made by someone else--the other mod has different specs.

I'm not doubting you, but "pretty new" doesn't say much about the condition the battery is in now. If a cell has been repeatedly charged at or above 1.0A all the way to 4.2V, and then discharged all the way to about 3.2V at or near its CDR, it will suffer a lot of wear and it will not perform like a factory-fresh cell.

If 55 Watts is really where you want to be with that build, you should think about driving it with a dual cell device. Even at peak efficiency, a single cell being asked to do 55 Watts at <3.5V is working very hard.

 

[SonnyCooL]

Your battery just can't put out the amps needed to fire at 55 Watts once it reaches that particular charge state, and your mod doesn't "know" it because it's still reading a charge within the mod's specs. That is the only reasonable explanation.

You can't accurately compare it to a mod made by someone else--the other mod has different specs.

I'm not doubting you, but "pretty new" doesn't say much about the condition the battery is in now. If a cell has been repeatedly charged at or above 1.0A all the way to 4.2V, and then discharged all the way to about 3.2V at or near its CDR, it will suffer a lot of wear and it will not perform like a factory-fresh cell.

If 55 Watts is really where you want to be with that build, you should think about driving it with a dual cell device. Even at peak efficiency, a single cell being asked to do 55 Watts at <3.5V is working very hard.

i don't plan to do my battery test anytime soon but i found one funny issue, same rda(same coil n resistant) same battery but different MOD, it behavior differently ... weird

un regulated mod control my Batt output and not suppose to over 3.2v as u mention ?

 

[Coastal Cowboy]

i don't plan to do my battery test anytime soon but i found one funny issue, same rda(same coil n resistant) same battery but different MOD, it behavior differently ... weird

un regulated mod control my Batt output and not suppose to over 3.2v as u mention ?

I'm sorry, but I don't understand that question.

Batteries don't stop discharging by themselves. The device they're in stop working once the charge state reaches a level that makes the device stop working.

 

[SonnyCooL]

I'm sorry, but I don't understand that question.

Batteries don't stop discharging by themselves. The device they're in stop working once the charge state reaches a level that makes the device stop working.

sorry .... hahaha
i means regulated device should control that min state but my vandy 80w sometime can reach 3.0X and most of the time 3.1X .....
seem like i having faulty pulse 80w

 

[stols001]

Um I gotta say I don't really know what you are trying to impart ^^^^^^^^^^^^ either.

Are you saying your Pulse mod is offering you more battery power/wattage than the batteries produce? I don't have that mod, maybe someone else can chime in but I will merely state, if a device is genuinely FAULTY (even in way that might seem appealing to you) that still isn't GOOD so you shouldn't use it until you figure out what's what. Because it seems to me you may be a bit confused about... stuff. I'd love to help but I am so confused by your confusion I wouldn't quite know where to begin.

But if a mod is allowing you to tax their batteries past their safe, TESTED by Mooch discharge ratings, that isn't what you want unless you have some sort of BOOST function.

Oh, well, here. IDK if it will help, but it surely can't hurt.


https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/blogs/mooch.256958/

https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/blog-entry/baditudes-blogs.7609/

Anna

 

[puffon]

Mine seems to drop off in power when the battery gets low around 3.3-3.4v
Vaping at 35w
I believe it's from voltage sag on my 3 yr old HG2s, that need to be replaced.

 

[score69]

If I recall, mine cuts out at 3.35v. At least that's what my Nitecore shows when I run a 20700B down to the check battery warning and drop it in the charger.

Agree though, with battery sag, the device may still fire (the battery is above 3.35v), but then can't pull enough current to provide the wattage you have set.

I've got three Pulse 80s currently running (firmware 0.0.0.6), and they all cut out at 3.35v for me.

 

[SonnyCooL]

Um I gotta say I don't really know what you are trying to impart ^^^^^^^^^^^^ either.

Are you saying your Pulse mod is offering you more battery power/wattage than the batteries produce? I don't have that mod, maybe someone else can chime in but I will merely state, if a device is genuinely FAULTY (even in way that might seem appealing to you) that still isn't GOOD so you shouldn't use it until you figure out what's what. Because it seems to me you may be a bit confused about... stuff. I'd love to help but I am so confused by your confusion I wouldn't quite know where to begin.

But if a mod is allowing you to tax their batteries past their safe, TESTED by Mooch discharge ratings, that isn't what you want unless you have some sort of BOOST function.

Oh, well, here. IDK if it will help, but it surely can't hurt.


https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/blogs/mooch.256958/

https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/blog-entry/baditudes-blogs.7609/

Anna

is simple my initial question is Pulse 80w is a bit poor (power drop) when it reach last 20% of battery life but response here is blaming to the battery but not mod, that why i bring a simple comparison swaping battery to different device (layman term of testing battery, as i don't want to waste so much in battery test).
Second funny comparison is here, everyone saying pulse 80w stop at 3.2v but my pulse stop at 3.0Xv to 3.1Xv, but it still battery fault in this forum, i don't try to attack Pulse 80W but it look like my UNIT is faulty ....
why i don't blame on Battery, cause i do batt board design and enough stock(batt) for me to play around ...

 

[Zaryk]

sorry .... hahaha
i means regulated device should control that min state but my vandy 80w sometime can reach 3.0X and most of the time 3.1X .....
seem like i having faulty pulse 80w

Probably not faulty. The cutoff on most mods is not the resting voltage of the batteries, but normally it is the voltage under load. This means a battery with more voltage sag will cut off at a higher resting voltage. Your batteries probably just have less sag and that lets them drain a little more before reaching the cutoff.

 

[score69]

Not that anyone really cares, but I've got another Pulse 80 coming tomorrow. New colors released, I had to have 'Kill Devil's Hills'. Vandy Vape has the colors listed on their site, the only US vendor I found with them in stock already was MyVPro.

Can't find anywhere that is selling the new panels by themselves yet, everyone still has the original colors. Plus, I wanted another backup for the vape closet anyways.

I'm more interested to see if the manufacture date is newer than my others and what firmware is loaded on it. All of my current ones say 4/15/18. Maybe they are still the original manufacture date and they packaged them up with the new panels. I guess it doesn't really matter, more curious than anything.

I'll try to post a new pic of the new additions to the family if they arrive tomorrow.

 

[Zaryk]

is simple my initial question is Pulse 80w is a bit poor (power drop) when it reach last 20% of battery life but response here is blaming to the battery but not mod, that why i bring a simple comparison swaping battery to different device (layman term of testing battery, as i don't want to waste so much in battery test).
Second funny comparison is here, everyone saying pulse 80w stop at 3.2v but my pulse stop at 3.0Xv to 3.1Xv, but it still battery fault in this forum, i don't try to attack Pulse 80W but it look like my UNIT is faulty ....
why i don't blame on Battery, cause i do batt board design and enough stock(batt) for me to play around ...

I just want to mention that I am not a fanboy of the pulse. I do not own one, and probably never will. Too much drama surrounded it before release for my taste, and my go to regulated single battery squonk mod is a DNA device. But I still think your battery sag is low (a good thing mind you, so not attacking anything) which lets your mod run it down just a bit lower than average.

 

[score69]

I just want to mention that I am not a fanboy of the pulse. I do not own one, and probably never will. Too much drama surrounded it before release for my taste, and my go to regulated single battery squonk mod is a DNA device. But I still think your battery sag is low (a good thing mind you, so not attacking anything) which lets your mod run it down just a bit lower than average.

This makes sense with me seeing a (resting) cutoff of 3.35v as well. Since I'm only running a 20700B, my battery voltage under load is probably closer to what SonnyCool sees as a resting voltage. His 20700A and 40T should have less sag than my 20700B.

So I have a crappier battery, lol. All kidding aside, the 20700B is a fantastic cell for my vaping style.

 

[scooterstew71]

Not that anyone really cares, but I've got another Pulse 80 coming tomorrow. New colors released, I had to have 'Kill Devil's Hills'. Vandy Vape has the colors listed on their site, the only US vendor I found with them in stock already was MyVPro.

Can't find anywhere that is selling the new panels by themselves yet, everyone still has the original colors. Plus, I wanted another backup for the vape closet anyways.

I'm more interested to see if the manufacture date is newer than my others and what firmware is loaded on it. All of my current ones say 4/15/18. Maybe they are still the original manufacture date and they packaged them up with the new panels. I guess it doesn't really matter, more curious than anything.

I'll try to post a new pic of the new additions to the family if they arrive tomorrow.

Yes be interesting to see what the new panels look like... Im waiting for some ultem panels for it like the original pulse bf had... Tony did mention they were releasing some in one of his vids...

 

[SonnyCooL]

Probably not faulty. The cutoff on most mods is not the resting voltage of the batteries, but normally it is the voltage under load. This means a battery with more voltage sag will cut off at a higher resting voltage. Your batteries probably just have less sag and that lets them drain a little more before reaching the cutoff.

i try another battery brand new LG H40, it still same behavior, giving up on this device and go for another pico Sq2

 

[score69]

i try another battery brand new LG H40, it still same behavior, giving up on this device and go for another pico Sq2

I'm not sure what the issue is though. Are you saying yours is defective because it fires down to 3.1v, sometimes 3.0v? @Zaryk gave what seems to be a reasonable explanation to me. I don't think running your cells down to 3v is going to kill them. They will lose cycle life, but what do you expect. If that bothers you, just replace the cell when it starts to get low instead of running it to cutoff. I rarely run mine all the way down, I replace them when convenient, whether they need changed or not. If I'm leaving the house and the battery still shows around 60%, I change it anyways.

DJLSB mentions it maintains full power to battery cutoff, but like I said, I can get a few low power hits if I drain it all the way down. I would expect this. The mod knows the battery voltage and will allow you to fire still, but it can't predict whether the battery will be able to provide the full amperage it needs.

I guess I'm not sure what you are saying the problem is at this point. Glad you like the Squeeze2 though. Grab another Squeeze2 if that's what floats your boat. There's been a nice flood of regulated squonks this year, so there's something for pretty much all of us at this point.

 

[SonnyCooL]

I'm not sure what the issue is though. Are you saying yours is defective because it fires down to 3.1v, sometimes 3.0v? @Zaryk gave what seems to be a reasonable explanation to me. I don't think running your cells down to 3v is going to kill them. They will lose cycle life, but what do you expect. If that bothers you, just replace the cell when it starts to get low instead of running it to cutoff. I rarely run mine all the way down, I replace them when convenient, whether they need changed or not. If I'm leaving the house and the battery still shows around 60%, I change it anyways.

DJLSB mentions it maintains full power to battery cutoff, but like I said, I can get a few low power hits if I drain it all the way down. I would expect this. The mod knows the battery voltage and will allow you to fire still, but it can't predict whether the battery will be able to provide the full amperage it needs.

I guess I'm not sure what you are saying the problem is at this point. Glad you like the Squeeze2 though. Grab another Squeeze2 if that's what floats your boat. There's been a nice flood of regulated squonks this year, so there's something for pretty much all of us at this point.

i get weak hit after battery reaching last 20% ..... 1/5 of indicator ...

 

[score69]

Ok so here are the two new colors. In both photos below, the 'Kitty Hawk' is on the left, and 'Kill Devil Hills' is on the right.

Don't think they look very much like the ones on the VV site, but what do you expect with resin panels?

I was originally more interested in the Kill Devil Hills based on the VV site pics, but for the two I got, I definitely prefer the Kitty Hawk (on the left).

If anyone else is curious, the mods are dated as the original 4-15-18 manufacture date still, but they already had to 0.0.0.6 firmware loaded. I guess they had a bunch of them manufactured from the original run, updated the firmware, and put on the new panels when they packaged them.

 

[gpjoe]

i try another battery brand new LG H40, it still same behavior, giving up on this device and go for another pico Sq2

Me too. After two Pulse 80s my next regulated squonker will be the Squeeze 2. I'd sell my Pulse mods but unfortunately I suspect they aren't worth much. I'll keep using one and put the other away for a backup. I still like the original Pulse mod more than the Pulse 80, but this is my new favorite el-cheapo squonker:

 

[puffon]

I still like the original Pulse mod

If you need any spare bottles for the original pulse, you might want to grab them where you can.
FT has discontinued them, they're probably not being made anymore.

 

[gpjoe]

If you need any spare bottles for the original pulse, you might want to grab them where you can.
FT has discontinued them, they're probably not being made anymore.

Thank you for the heads up. I think I have 6 or 8 spares, and forced myself to stop buying them. I have never actually worn out a bottle on any squonker and have used some bottles for years. I have soooooo many bottles I'll probably never use.