Just looking at those pictures makes it pretty obvious they're not the same thing.
The cat is out the bag!!! (Nimbus aka Chimbus)
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Is there something wrong with you? The makers of the nimbus had these made in china at cheap price and flipping em at 8x the cost. China didn't clone the nimbus because they made it in the first place.
Anyway besting the dead horse this thread was made to inform the truth and some still dont want to understand it.
Anyway besting the dead horse this thread was made to inform the truth and some still dont want to understand it.
Slow down. I still fail to see how the original poster is saying what you are saying. What he is saying is it is a very close knockoff. I see the differences, don't you? Cite your arguement please. I don't see any evidence yet.
Gotta agree with brotha Urq and the OP, but the nimbus is just a modified clone of the A5 aka Igo-L.
Like the OP said its been going on for a while and this news is kinda old news. Don't get ....-hurt if you spent $90 for a $6 atty...lol!!
If you guys want some nice "original" made rda's go pick up a forge, trident, immortalizer, cyclone or fatty v2.
Better yet go pick up a bilby, it's a modified IGO-L modded by slumberland industries and sold by sngvapors or bigtexvapor.
Do some research and a little homework and ya'll will find all the answers you need. Don't go by what the crowd is currently swayed by.....
PS, why do you think peeps are selling their nimbus atty's for so cheap on the classifieds now...lol!!
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Hey I want to believe you! But you gotta back this up if you're going to make these kinds of claims. Like a lawyer saying "according to... well you look it up Judge, its there... somewhere!" Release dates... etc.
That's not at all what he's saying. He's saying two guys are arguing with each other and have called each other out for the products they're either selling or hyping. One of them was called out for the bakero wire which is just flat kanthall, the other guy was called out for buying cheap chinese atomizers, modifying them a bit and selling them for a large mark up. Go back and read the OP again.. I know it's a bit difficult to understand with the broken sentences and what-not, but that's exactly what the OP is saying.
What I'd like to know is if the V5 does in fact have that 'spitback' protection in the top cap... if it doesn't, I don't see how the Nimbus is the same atomizer, slightly modified, unless they're somehow machining new top caps... but what would be the point in going through all that work?
im def gonna pick up one of those chimbus for $6 dollars can you really go wrong
i see the point that the OP is trying to make. although i am not saying that what he says is all true. but i have spoken to some manufacturers and reps from china and they have said that with enough orders they can create custom products to whatever specifications. so the allegations that the nimbus is just a "modified" version of the $6 RDA is not that far fetched and could very well be true. if it is true, its quite disappointing that loyal paying customers have been taken for a ride with a ridiculous markup.
so I got the nimbus clone from fast tech, Yes that's what it is a clone! after taking a closer look at it there isn't anyway posible to pass this clone off as a high end nimbus. even if the neg and pos poles are changed there's just to many flaws on the clone to pass it off as the real deal..that's my honest opinion.
what is more worrisome to me is people who actually think this kind of practice ISNT going on every day, and the manufacturers are being held to some higher production and morality standard then every other business on the planet because its vape related somehow.
very few actually state "hand built by so and so" they state things like "designed by" or "coming from the people who brought you ___ their newest creation." so they sent a blueprint over to china and wammo my new ______ RDA.
the V5 may not be the same one but dam if the cyclone copy isnt almost dead on.
i would say that about 10% of products are what they say they are or actually fit the image we have cast on them, the only ones i believe are things like manufactured by__ in greece, designed in russia built in germany, hand made in france.
things like that and to believe otherwise or that some small modding group can somehow make 15,000 products every couple of months is silly. just look at the demand for hellfire's and fogattii's and how slow they are coming.
while vaping is new it is well known in every other industry that the right price will get whatever you want made in a china factory that produces similar products.
i believe in another thread it was noted the richman RBA looks to be a YOUD manufacturing product? but everyone initially acted like wow a nicely machined atty for 35? how can this guy keep up?
its why i have a hard time wanting to pay 100 bucks for an atty when i see a 10 dollar version thats built very close and the few i do choose to pay the premium for i know( i hope i do) are what they say they are.
http://tobeco.en.alibaba.com/productgrouplist-219223463/ithaka.html
all you have to do is polish it up and slap a logo on it............................
very few actually state "hand built by so and so" they state things like "designed by" or "coming from the people who brought you ___ their newest creation." so they sent a blueprint over to china and wammo my new ______ RDA.
the V5 may not be the same one but dam if the cyclone copy isnt almost dead on.
i would say that about 10% of products are what they say they are or actually fit the image we have cast on them, the only ones i believe are things like manufactured by__ in greece, designed in russia built in germany, hand made in france.
things like that and to believe otherwise or that some small modding group can somehow make 15,000 products every couple of months is silly. just look at the demand for hellfire's and fogattii's and how slow they are coming.
while vaping is new it is well known in every other industry that the right price will get whatever you want made in a china factory that produces similar products.
i believe in another thread it was noted the richman RBA looks to be a YOUD manufacturing product? but everyone initially acted like wow a nicely machined atty for 35? how can this guy keep up?
its why i have a hard time wanting to pay 100 bucks for an atty when i see a 10 dollar version thats built very close and the few i do choose to pay the premium for i know( i hope i do) are what they say they are.
http://tobeco.en.alibaba.com/productgrouplist-219223463/ithaka.html
all you have to do is polish it up and slap a logo on it............................
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And watch as it fails to work since the tobeco clones are terrible.
It's pretty apparent that this idea that anything not hand made is farmed out to China is incorrect though when you just compare a high end mass produced device to a Chinese one. The difference in build quality is pretty apparent.
And there's a vast difference in cost between getting something mass produced in the US versus China.
And good lord, it was apparent from the very first pictures that the richman was just an aga-t.
It's pretty apparent that this idea that anything not hand made is farmed out to China is incorrect though when you just compare a high end mass produced device to a Chinese one. The difference in build quality is pretty apparent.
And there's a vast difference in cost between getting something mass produced in the US versus China.
And good lord, it was apparent from the very first pictures that the richman was just an aga-t.
i did not say that i said its possible.
What i did say is dont fool yourself into believing it is hand made just because they LET you assume so, thats all.
and quite literally you can ask for whatever refinement you want . thicker steel? sure. gold plated contacts? ok.
they will make the exact product you are asking for built to your standards and tolerances.
i bet you i could send a nimbus to a clone factory and ask for it to be identical and they would do it, they dont care all they want to know is if my check is good. or you can say make something close.
and so far in early previews "the russian" is proving this point, will see in the final takes though.
once it leaves that factory they will make whatever version they want. and really your telling me a screw and post upgrade is a 60 dollar difference on a dripper? cmon now. all i know is sure the clone is not the same, but theres no 60 dollar difference in vape quality or parts used..
i have been in manufacturing all my life and some of it is more of a shell game then most people think.
trust me, you would hate to know what the doctor actually paid us to make your eyeglasses when we laser a well known brand name on them for you. when the generic logo is 90% cheaper on the same identical lens.
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I have several chimbus' and a nimbus. The chimbus is functional, but crap at the same time. For me, fit and finish means a lot. The clones are great (in my eyes) for DIY modifications and tinkering.... Did anyone see my review of the $10 zen clones? Those things were an absolute nightmare. I paid $20 for 2 of them just to try em out. I will never re-sell them because I wouldn't wish them on my worst enemy.
I have the cyclone dripper, and can see how easily it could be cloned, but I'm done wasting $5 here, $10 there on crap that winds up in the trash can.
Maybe I just have an affinity for shiny things, but I will pay a premium for something that fits right, works as-intended, and requires no modification.
Do I think the nicer versions all come from some special hand-made wonderland? nope! but the high end versions are obviously high-end. Often overpriced at that.
One guy I will give major props to is Richard of Rich Man Vapors. He has taken full advantage of this system. He added modifications to the AGAT design and made an incredible RBA. Did he up the price? NOPE! Not only did he have a reasonable price, he has become a forum supplier, listened to all of us (including myself who now has 3 wick holes and multiple airholes) and is dropping v2 soon.
Did I mention that he has a hybrid coming too?
I would be a ..... to think he was hand-spinning his items. They are sourced in China to his specs, but they are great, well-priced products!
I hope that with the release of the RM hybrid, the iH Pure, and numerous other things, that the significant supply/demand price point market of mods will shift in our favor. But let's be real... Even if the iH Pure is epic, even if the RM v2 is amazing and reasonably priced... We are still going to have some sexy mods with etched serial numbers that the wolves will chase.
What I would like to see is a mentality shift where the wolves quit attacking the sheep for wanting a cost effective solution.
Tracking?
I have the cyclone dripper, and can see how easily it could be cloned, but I'm done wasting $5 here, $10 there on crap that winds up in the trash can.
Maybe I just have an affinity for shiny things, but I will pay a premium for something that fits right, works as-intended, and requires no modification.
Do I think the nicer versions all come from some special hand-made wonderland? nope! but the high end versions are obviously high-end. Often overpriced at that.
One guy I will give major props to is Richard of Rich Man Vapors. He has taken full advantage of this system. He added modifications to the AGAT design and made an incredible RBA. Did he up the price? NOPE! Not only did he have a reasonable price, he has become a forum supplier, listened to all of us (including myself who now has 3 wick holes and multiple airholes) and is dropping v2 soon.
Did I mention that he has a hybrid coming too?
I would be a ..... to think he was hand-spinning his items. They are sourced in China to his specs, but they are great, well-priced products!
I hope that with the release of the RM hybrid, the iH Pure, and numerous other things, that the significant supply/demand price point market of mods will shift in our favor. But let's be real... Even if the iH Pure is epic, even if the RM v2 is amazing and reasonably priced... We are still going to have some sexy mods with etched serial numbers that the wolves will chase.
What I would like to see is a mentality shift where the wolves quit attacking the sheep for wanting a cost effective solution.
Tracking?
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