the children argument explained.

[ScandaLeX]

I could go on, but when someone mentions FDA and children, things usually don't sit well with me.

When someone mentions any adult activity & children in the same breath, it doesn't sit well with me.
The children this, the children that........... I say the children!

 

[Caro123]

I would vape happily in front of my children. I smoked before they brought the little darlings in to the hospital room, the were all over 8 lbs, no one has allergies and only one of them smokes now the other two never did smoke. In my humble opinion most of the nonsense about the evils of tobacco was grossly over rated and primed by half truths. Good grief in 1983 I was heavily reprimanded for chasing after a Doc who walked in to a room smoking his pipe with oxygen running. Chronic smoking is hard on lungs and some folks have a strong allergy but the death rates are grossly over blown and sometimes even a pimple on ones backside has been attributed to tobacco- nonsense.

Powerful agendas and ashamed/guilt ridden / super polite smokers have landed us in this current spot, mass taxation on tobacco and the joys and benefits of nicotine coming forward now ie benefits to Alzheimer's patients etc leads me to wonder if the whole thing has been a long range plan from the get go. I suspect tobacco smoking will be eased out but vaping will need to be dirtied just a shade so that mass taxation can be transfixed to the product.

If my five year old grandson wanted to vape I'd steer him away if my pubescent granddaughter wanted to blow clouds to the heavens I'd say can you afford it, do you know how to care for your equipment can you learn to DIY because I guarantee your supplies will be taxed beyond common sense and for goodness sakes dear try to cut back on that red bull. I wouldn't give vapes to little kids nor would I give super caffeinated colas, teens different story, nicotine in low doses for teens might be beneficial particularly if they were experiencing depressive issues- depression is the reason most of us self medicated in the first place. A little nic in the vape is better than Prozac every time, I personally even think the nic is better than that other medication that youngsters take up but I don't know cause I never went there not even in the sixties.

 

[Toastyroadie]

Anyone know if this is true, not that I'd ever take up smoking, but.....

Tobacco: A Forgotten Healing Plant

Although in present-day society associated with a myriad of health issues, including cancer and cardiovascular diseases, this plant has been used for medicinal, as well as ritual purposes for millennia. Only in the last decades tobacco has been aggressively proclaimed harmful. Up until the ‘50s they even had doctors promoting them. Why it is so?

Throughout South and North America, tobacco was used consumed in a diversity of ways: it was chewed, sniffed, smoked, eaten, juiced, smeared over bodies, and used in eye drops and enemas. Its use varied depending on the culture and location – it ranged from medicinal as a remedy for many ailments, to purely recreational consumed by both men and women, and also mystical – a connection to the spiritual world: it´s purifying smoke was blown over fields before planting, over women prior to sex, blown into warriors’ faces before battle, it was offered to gods as well as accepted as their gift. In other words, tobacco smoke was believed to carry blessings, protection and most of all purification.

.......it's not the same tobacco anymore, as we all know BT adds many other unknown ingredients. But is the natural, organic, non-GMO tobacco a healing plant?

There are no sources listed and was wondering if any of you had come across this article or the claims made. I will do some searching in the next few days, if I have time, to see if these claims hold water.

I was just remembering as a kid, maybe 9 yrs old, playing in a red ant pile in New Mexico and getting bit many times. It hurt like heck, but my dad broke open a cigarette and applied moistened tobacco to the bites and I felt much better and no pain. Don't remember how long the welts lasted, that's all I recall at the moment.

 

[catlady60]

...I could go on, but when someone mentions FDA and children, things usually don't sit well with me.

Trouble is, the FDA is captured by the very BP it's supposed to regulate. Instead of regulating the drug companies, they're trying to protect them by overregulating vapor products because they're--and we're--cutting deeply into their profits. The "protect the children" line of hooey is a pretext.

 

[Caro123]

Anyone know if this is true, not that I'd ever take up smoking, but.....

Tobacco: A Forgotten Healing Plant




.......it's not the same tobacco anymore, as we all know BT adds many other unknown ingredients. But is the natural, organic, non-GMO tobacco a healing plant?

There are no sources listed and was wondering if any of you had come across this article or the claims made. I will do some searching in the next few days, if I have time, to see if these claims hold water.

I was just remembering as a kid, maybe 9 yrs old, playing in a red ant pile in New Mexico and getting bit many times. It hurt like heck, but my dad broke open a cigarette and applied moistened tobacco to the bites and I felt much better and no pain. Don't remember how long the welts lasted, that's all I recall at the moment.

tobacco was used in trade and in spiritual practices by First Nations and is still held to be sacred by some traditional elders. My father would blow warm smoke in my ear when I had an ear ache. there is significant research regarding the benefits of nicotine particularly regarding being helpful in Alzheimer's, and the anti smoking medication Wellbutrin has antidepressant properties which I believe is also true of tobacco

 

[Spidey2011]

Anyone know if this is true, not that I'd ever take up smoking, but.....

Tobacco: A Forgotten Healing Plant




.......it's not the same tobacco anymore, as we all know BT adds many other unknown ingredients. But is the natural, organic, non-GMO tobacco a healing plant?

There are no sources listed and was wondering if any of you had come across this article or the claims made. I will do some searching in the next few days, if I have time, to see if these claims hold water.

I was just remembering as a kid, maybe 9 yrs old, playing in a red ant pile in New Mexico and getting bit many times. It hurt like heck, but my dad broke open a cigarette and applied moistened tobacco to the bites and I felt much better and no pain. Don't remember how long the welts lasted, that's all I recall at the moment.

Yep. That's why my dad always used natural pipe tobacco

 

[mattiem]

tobacco was used in trade and in spiritual practices by First Nations and is still held to be sacred by some traditional elders. My father would blow warm smoke in my ear when I had an ear ache. there is significant research regarding the benefits of nicotine particularly regarding being helpful in Alzheimer's, and the anti smoking medication Wellbutrin has antidepressant properties which I believe is also true of tobacco

As would my mother. She would blow it in there and put in a cotton ball. I did relieve the pain.

 

[AndriaD]

Chronic smoking is hard on lungs and some folks have a strong allergy but the death rates are grossly over blown and sometimes even a pimple on ones backside has been attributed to tobacco- nonsense.

I think all that stuff about smoking is mostly nonsense, too. But the thing really is that *chronic* thing -- most folks who smoke are not capable of doing it as an "occasional" thing; they're firmly hooked, and the best they can really do is try to keep it down to an affordable level -- and THAT is where I think BT really screwed us; adding that ammonia virtually ensured that it would become the most-abused stuff EVER, and would be nearly impossible to get free of. I developed adult-onset asthma at the age of 24, after I'd been a smoker for 10 yrs already; asthmatics have a wide variety of chemicals that a single whiff of can send them straight into an asthma attack -- I can be around bleach fumes all day, but one whiff of -- you guessed it -- ammonia, and I'm reaching for my inhaler. Coincidence? I always thought so, but now I'm not so sure.

Andria

 

[NealBJr]

I would vape happily in front of my children. I smoked before they brought the little darlings in to the hospital room, the were all over 8 lbs, no one has allergies and only one of them smokes now the other two never did smoke. In my humble opinion most of the nonsense about the evils of tobacco was grossly over rated and primed by half truths. Good grief in 1983 I was heavily reprimanded for chasing after a Doc who walked in to a room smoking his pipe with oxygen running. Chronic smoking is hard on lungs and some folks have a strong allergy but the death rates are grossly over blown and sometimes even a pimple on ones backside has been attributed to tobacco- nonsense.

Powerful agendas and ashamed/guilt ridden / super polite smokers have landed us in this current spot, mass taxation on tobacco and the joys and benefits of nicotine coming forward now ie benefits to Alzheimer's patients etc leads me to wonder if the whole thing has been a long range plan from the get go. I suspect tobacco smoking will be eased out but vaping will need to be dirtied just a shade so that mass taxation can be transfixed to the product.

If my five year old grandson wanted to vape I'd steer him away if my pubescent granddaughter wanted to blow clouds to the heavens I'd say can you afford it, do you know how to care for your equipment can you learn to DIY because I guarantee your supplies will be taxed beyond common sense and for goodness sakes dear try to cut back on that red bull. I wouldn't give vapes to little kids nor would I give super caffeinated colas, teens different story, nicotine in low doses for teens might be beneficial particularly if they were experiencing depressive issues- depression is the reason most of us self medicated in the first place. A little nic in the vape is better than Prozac every time, I personally even think the nic is better than that other medication that youngsters take up but I don't know cause I never went there not even in the sixties.

Tobacco, even in it's natural form, is bad. Just the act of combustible smoking causes a chemical reaction. Along with the carbon monixide, tiny particulates are released. The filter end is supposed to get rid of most of it, but the filter isn't complex enough to remove all. The end result of those particulates, is tar. Those particulates are the carbon residue of the combustion process. When it comes in contact with moisture, say the inside of your lungs, it turns into a "tar" Tar coats the lungs and prevents oxygen from being absorbed into the bloodstream. Which is what the lungs are designed for. All this is the physical aspect of smoking, and it's not taking into account the chemical properties that is involved.

That is why I told myself... Even if vaping is chemically a 1:1 replica of what a cigarette is, then it's a safer method. Propylene Glycol and Vegetable glycerine does not turn into tar. Both are water soluble, and break down more rapidly than the tar a cigarette produced.

Are the accusations grossly over rated and half truths.... Not really. As with most things, there is a good and a bad side. Nicotine in itself, and in small dosages is actually considered good. However, I have never seen anything that says tar in small quantities is good. Tobacco does have some good points to it, but the normal delivery method outweighs any benefits. Nicotine can increase the blood rate, and therefore cause some cardiovascular issues. Tar in itself may not be so bad, but when it coats the lungs, it becomes a toxic chemical. If you could inhale something with nicotine without burning, you would be getting rid of a lot of the hazards that come with smoking...guess what.. that's what vaping is. I vape to get rid of the combustion part.

I have seen both my grandfathers and my stepfather die from emphysema. Guess what.. all three smoked. My mother quit, and she's still living. My grandmothers don't smoke, and one died at the age of 92, and the other is still living at the age of 95. My grandmother is dating a non smoker, he is 96 and still drives. That in itself is proof enough for me that smoking reduces your lifespan. IF you doubt the studies, go visit an old folks home... See what percentage of them smoke, and what age they are. See how many 90+ year old are smokers. Sure, there are some that exist, but the odds of it happening are NOT in your favor.

 

[Caro123]

We respond according to that which we have experienced. I have seen astronomical cancer rates in Cape Breton being blamed on individual life style ie smoking ,diet, poverty etc and all the while the Sydney tar ponds was a national environmental disaster. Did your loved ones die because they smoked or because of other factors and smoking was a small part of it-continually and repeatedly pointing the finger at one causative factor has allowed much research to be shuffled aside and I believe muddied and dirtied the waters. I understand your deep concerns but unfortunately I too have seen my share of abusive situations projected on to the elderly/ the sick and much harm including death perpetuated and made worse because all the person wanted was a smoke. I am not saying smoking is good for you or anyone. I am saying the hysteria around the evils of smoking created more problems in human suffering than not and permitted situations such as the Sydney tar ponds and numerous other environmental issues to continue because many, many people chose to believe the problem was only tobacco. I have been a registered nurse for thirty three years in numerous health care settings and in my humble opinion and mine alone tobacco control has perpetuated a great evil on individuals and well intentioned or not has made the issue worse and caused much harm in the name of health- sad.

 

[DC2]

Tobacco, even in it's natural form, is bad. Just the act of combustible smoking causes a chemical reaction. Along with the carbon monixide, tiny particulates are released.

I believe you just conflated "tobacco" with "smoking" which I don't think you meant to do?

Nicotine can increase the blood rate, and therefore cause some cardiovascular issues.

I think it might be more accurate to say that nicotine can "exacerbate" existing cardiovascular issues.
Much the same way that caffeine can exacerbate existing cardiovascular issues.