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  1. sahilm

    sahilm Senior Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jun 27, 2010
    New Delhi India
    Dear all , a very good day to everyone ,
    My name is Sahil and i live in New Delhi , India , am 40 and have been vaping for the past ( 3 years in June ) .

    started off with the green smokes , then the titan kit , the ego and onwards , currently use boge 510's and fusion 801 cartos .

    I do remember the days of using 510 atyys and a cart with polly , then tea bags and then blue foam , i am not to sure how many of you here will remember and go back so much in time .

    Anyway , the cleanest and most flavorful vape i got was using a 510 atty while dripping on it .

    I now use cartos for the convenience of tanks and the " NO - Faf " part of them .

    Recently i see so many vendors and companies making re-buildables and using mesh and silica etc , it confuses the hell out of me tbh .

    Now coming to the concept part of it ,
    An atomizer is a coil with a bit of wick in it , we drip juice on it ( in various diff forms like bottom feeders , dripping , carts , top feeders etc )
    the wick gets wet with the juice and the coil gets hot , the juice evaporates due to the heat and we get vapor .

    My question is : why are people making so many devices where the juice has to wick UP to a coil , why not have the juice flow down or have juice surround the coil .

    all or most of the re-buildables i see have a juice tank on the bottom part and then silica or mesh trying to get the juice UP tot he coil .
    why cant there be more innovation towards getting juice down and let gravity help !! .

    Also if there are any such tanks or atomizers out there " WHICH WORK WELL ' would anyone of you kind people help me decicing which one to buy .
    I did see one , but it held only 2 mil of juice ... i feel the kanger t3 is right on track with the concept "to say " , but gurgling and leaking from the bottom are a concern for me .

    i thank you all for reading the post above and wold love to know
    your thoughts regarding the same .

    wishing you all well
    warm regards
    Sahil .

    presently mainly using . provari's , reo grand vv , billet box , vv box mod , cartoz and tanks . and an A7 rebuild-able atty .
    have tried mostly all clearos too -:)
     
  2. DC2

    DC2 Tootie Puffer Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jun 21, 2009
    San Diego
    I wish I could help you, but I don't have an answer to your question.
    Heck, I'm still dripping with 510 atomizers!

    But I did want to say that I hope someone comes along with an answer for you.
    Anyone who has survived the days of tea bags and blue foam deserves to find what they're looking for.
    :)
     
  3. SilentScreams

    SilentScreams Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 10, 2013
    Cottekill,NY
    I've seen great reviews about the Vivi Nova 2.5. Pbusardo even recommends it. I want one myself but everyone seems to be out of stock at the moment.

    Currently using a tube tank from Volcano that works rather well.

    Hope this helps.
     
  4. 440BB

    440BB Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Supporting member
    Apr 19, 2011
    The Motor City
    The problem with bottom coils seems to be keeping gravity from helping too much, leading to flooding. I agree that the Kanger T3 is a move in the right direction, and the Evod model may be even better now that the internal coil assembly can be removed and replaced or rebuilt rather easily. The technology is moving so much faster now that I'm sure 2013 will bring further improvements.
     
  5. el lobo furtivo

    el lobo furtivo Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 12, 2009
    Akron, OH
    I'm right there with you, Sahil. I remember going to a craft store to buy poly-fil and a restaurant supply store to buy coffee stirs so I could re-make my cartridges. Anybody else remember the "straw mod?" I'm blown away by how far this technology has come in the past 4 years. Providing this whole industry isn't shut down by ignorance, I forsee some pretty serious advancements over the next 12-18 months. It's exciting!
     
  6. Ken62

    Ken62 Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Dec 23, 2012
    Weatherford, Texas
    Vapor Beast has the Vision Vivi Nova in stock, I just got one yesterday...

    http://www.vaporbeast.com/product_p/c28.htm
     
  7. familiar1985

    familiar1985 Full Member Verified Member

    Jan 31, 2012
    Beverly Hills, Ca
    Vivi Nova isn't a bottom coil. I think the Kanger T3 is, and the vape is nice. I don't think it really matters if the wick is top or bottom as long as the design works. Both designs will have their negatives. For now i think the better top wick designs are superior even if you have to vape with your wick in the juice. The genesis style design is very good, simple, and works very well. I think there may always be leakage issues or maintenance issues with bottom wick designs.
     
  8. Faylool

    Faylool Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    .4 mil eroll tank and atty
    That erolls size cCAN be worked with. Taste is great. I'm a carto/tank vaper too...or was. I'll get back to it. Problem is I load up with a juice and the juice isn't floating my boat that much and I have a whole 6 ml tank of it. The tube atty combo functions on pressurized whatever
     
  9. mrelwood

    mrelwood Senior Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 25, 2012
    Finland, Europe.
    I've been thinking about this too. I hope someday I will be able to design and build a prototype of my own. It would also enable the condensed vapor to fall back to the tank/wick/coil.

    One issue with all bottom coils is that when coming to a warm room from cold outside, the air in the tank will expand and push some liquid out. My T3's always leak a bit when coming back in the house. Shouldn't be an issue in summer, but at the moment the temperature difference is 30°C (54°F). That is 10% difference in the air volume, which means 0.2ml of juice pushed out when the tank is half full. Keeping the T3 upside down didn't do much good as juice then leaked to the mouthpiece, but I'll try sideways with the wick in vertical position next.

    Anyway, all that jazz required is a show stopper for most users. A Vivi Nova (or any top coil) on the other hand will let the air pass quite freely, so no leaking occurs.
     
  10. sahilm

    sahilm Senior Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jun 27, 2010
    New Delhi India
    Dear all good day once again ,
    Aha .. Finally people are thinking on the same lines :)

    best wishes
    Sahil .

     
  11. Kable

    Kable Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Nov 29, 2012
    Davis, CA
    Hey Sahil, I've seen you in the Billet Box thread (eagerly waiting for shipment, so I really appreciated your review). Anyway, your post sent me on one of those research trails across the internet. In my search, I came across the kanger evod. I don't know if it has some of the same issues as the T3, but it looks like an improvement, and might be something to look into. Here's a youtube review:

    Kanger E-Vod (eVod?) Clearomizer - YouTube
     
  12. Absintheur

    Absintheur Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 7, 2012
    north central Indiana
    I have one of these on order as well as one of the eGo sized versions (Kanger EVOD)...will see how they perform.
     
  13. Porrn-Hair

    Porrn-Hair Full Member Verified Member

    Jan 2, 2013
    New York City
    I like it...
    Alan
    I don't know about that music in the Video though...:blink:
     
  14. sahilm

    sahilm Senior Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jun 27, 2010
    New Delhi India
    Heya Mate , thanks for the Link , yes the evod's seem to have replaceable heads , Unlike the T3 .
    Hope they are good .

    Best wishes
    Sah

     
  15. sahilm

    sahilm Senior Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jun 27, 2010
    New Delhi India
    Please do let us know how they perform , I am really hoping that the " vapeonly bcc " is something fantastic :)

    Best wishes
    Sah
     
  16. lightbud404

    lightbud404 Serial Vapist Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 23, 2013
    Atlanta, GA
    http://www.vaporbeast.com/product_p/c28.htm
     
  17. Absintheur

    Absintheur Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 7, 2012
    north central Indiana
    I have been really impressed with the Drunker tank Drunker Rebuildable Tank . Somewhat similar to the Vivi but uses 4 wicks to feed a rebuildable coil. It has a vapor chamber above the coil like most rebuildables as well. Even down to under a quarter of a tank and stored standing up I don't get dry hits. I also have one of the Vapeonly BCC tanks on order. It is a replaceable bottom coil tank. Vapeonly 3.5ml BCC (Bottom Coil Changeable) Mega Tank . Going to try the Kanger EVOD BCC as well Kanger eGo 2.4ml EVOD MT BCC Cartomizer- New Colors .
     
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