The ECA Disclosed

[Retina_Burn]

The problem that I have is that this is looking more and more to be a trade association that is not worried about our rights or health but is more worried about their ability to sell it to us. That isn't a bad thing but this is not the way that you are presenting it to us. I think I'm going to save my money to fund a grass roots non-profit to help uphold my rights. I think that you folks at the ECA are going to need a lot of money to keep marketing these products for the use you intend. That fight will take lawyers and lobbyists. My fight needs research to prove I'm not hurting anyone around me or hurting myself more than cigarettes, because public health is a major issue here and in the other countries that banned the sale and in some, the use. Remember, this is a global problem and research will help everyone fight for their right to vape. Right now, the FDA is only proposing to ban the sale of these products because they don't agree on the way that they are marketed. The way that they want them marketed has not been approved yet. Maybe we should help to get these full approval in the way that the FDA wants, then we could all sell them as an NRD as freely as we like.

 

[nycsublimegirl]

The problem that I have is that this is looking more and more to be a trade association that is not worried about our rights or health but is more worried about their ability to sell it to us. That isn't a bad thing but this is not the way that you are presenting it to us. I think I'm going to save my money to fund a grass roots non-profit to help uphold my rights. I think that you folks at the ECA are going to need a lot of money to keep marketing these products for the use you intend. That fight will take lawyers and lobbyists. My fight needs research to prove I'm not hurting anyone around me or hurting myself more than cigarettes, because public health is a major issue here and in the other countries that banned the sale and in some, the use. Remember, this is a global problem and research will help everyone fight for their right to vape. Right now, the FDA is only proposing to ban the sale of these products because they don't agree on the way that they are marketed. The way that they want them marketed has not been approved yet. Maybe we should help to get these full approval in the way that the FDA wants, then we could all sell them as an NRD as freely as we like.

edit: "I apologize, I had no right to speak for the association, and therefore, will not post anymore. As soon as the association is formed we will let everyone know our full intentions"

 

[bizzyb0t]

Maybe we should help to get these full approval in the way that the FDA wants, then we could all sell them as an NRD as freely as we like.

And what will people do in the mean time, during the years it takes to get that done?

 

[Retina_Burn]

we at bloog happened to be one of the suppliers who did make some claims initially that once we were correctly informed we changed ASAP....

from the forum, other suppliers and even our lawyer....

to be honest...i just looked at my page again and you are completely right... there are a few things i missed when i ran through it trying to make all the compliances...

We have a brand new site going up monday that does not have any of that residual marketing that we missed in removing....


I am tempted to put up an under construction page....but i don't want anyone flipping out...saying i am trying to hide what you have posted...so i will leave it up until the new site is up and running.... just know that anything that is there that is questionable has EVERY intention of being removed.

Yes. Get all those unverified claims off your site as quick as you can. put something like "Do to the concern of some of our customers, we are currently updating our website with many improvements in function and form. We will try to make this as small an inconvenience as possible." Come on, you all should have taken that stuff down before you even breathed a word about this ECA thing. Get all this marketing off the web as soon as you can, you are making a lot of claims that cannot be backed up at this point according to FDA. Everyone should get this stuff off, I thought that was the whole point of this ECA thing.

 

[nycsublimegirl]

Yes. Get all those unverified claims off your site as quick as you can. put something like "Do to the concern of some of our customers, we are currently updating our website with many improvements in function and form. We will try to make this as small an inconvenience as possible." Come on, you all should have taken that stuff down before you even breathed a word about this ECA thing. Get all this marketing off the web as soon as you can, you are making a lot of claims that cannot be backed up at this point according to FDA. Everyone should get this stuff off, I thought that was the whole point of this ECA thing.

It is the whole point...honestly it was just missed...and will be corrected

 

[strayling]

And what will people do in the mean time, during the years it takes to get that done?

What did alcohol drinkers do during Prohibition? It would be a huge mistake to ban before testing.

 

[Retina_Burn]

And what will people do in the mean time, during the years it takes to get that done?

Buy overseas. Make sure that the company you buy stuff from declares "For Personal Use" and it shouldn't be a problem. The FDA is just banning the marketing and sale of these items from the US. It is a much more involved process to actually get possession of a substance or product punishable or confiscated. You'll be paying more in shipping but hey, you'll still be vaping away.

 

[bizzyb0t]

What did alcohol drinkers do during Prohibition? It would be a huge mistake to ban before testing.

All the good speakeasies have turned into karaoke bars here in town

Buy overseas. Make sure that the company you buy stuff from declares "For Personal Use" and it shouldn't be a problem. The FDA is just banning the marketing and sale of these items from the US. It is a much more involved process to actually get possession of a substance or product punishable or confiscated. You'll be paying more in shipping but hey, you'll still be vaping away.

That's what I don't want to have to do. I'd rather buy from a US supplier. However, we're pretty spoiled

 

[nycsublimegirl]

"I apologize, I had no right to speak for the association, and therefore, will not post anymore. As soon as the association is formed we will let everyone know our full intentions"

 

[bizzyb0t]

"I apologize, I had no right to speak for the association, and therefore, will not post anymore. As soon as the association is formed we will let everyone know our full intentions"

You didn't receive a horse head in your bed, did you?

 

[PTJD]

"I apologize, I had no right to speak for the association,

I do commend you for what you are trying to do, however it seems like you all pre-maturely jumped the gun, I understand you need to get this going ASAP. But who told you that you had no right to speak?
Who does have the right to speak?
Seems like there is a lot going on behind the closed door.

 

[Retina_Burn]

You didn't receive a horse head in your bed, did you?

She's getting fitted for some cement shoes as we speak.

 

[Nuck]

I apologize, I had no right to speak for the association, and therefore, will not post anymore. As soon as the association is formed we will let everyone know our full intentions

You know, Lacey posting the first thread with a title that denoted an urgent cry for help (and she was apparently serious) and then following up the next day with an 'ECA Disclosed' thread, you would assume you people could answer some basic questions.

People wouldn't be pushing for answers if this was handled better. The urgency and the rushed, poorly written 'mission statement' came from your side.

The 'minutes' of the meeting or at least an overview of an agenda should have been ready prior to the urgent cry for member support. The is a very real disconnect between who you are and what you are claiming to be. Suppliers cannot act as non-profit consumer activists. The conflict is unavoidable.

Who on your board is not someone with a vested interest?

 

[SupplierX]

Nothing that any association member can say right now will provide you with the answers you seek, as we do not have the answers yet. NYC was just trying to calm the storm, the bottom line is, we as an association owe the members of this forum a complete explanation. Unfortunately, we are not yet in a position to do that, the purpose of this thread was simply to inform the members that an association was forming. It is the associations intention to be completely transparent once we are formed, but the members of the association need to be in complete agreement as to the direction of the association before we make that information public. All of your questions will be answered in time. I will not post any more after this as I am sure there will be a backlash and anything I say will only add to the current snowball.

 

[PTJD]

I will not post any more after this as I am sure there will be a backlash and anything I say will only add to the current snowball.

So you post a Official "Game plan" with out an official spokesperson?

 

[Retina_Burn]

Nothing that any association member can say right now will provide you with the answers you seek, as we do not have the answers yet. NYC was just trying to calm the storm, the bottom line is, we as an association owe the members of this forum a complete explanation. Unfortunately, we are not yet in a position to do that, the purpose of this thread was simply to inform the members that an association was forming. It is the associations intention to be completely transparent once we are formed, but the members of the association need to be in complete agreement as to the direction of the association before we make that information public. All of your questions will be answered in time. I will not post any more after this as I am sure there will be a backlash and anything I say will only add to the current snowball.

I figured that a post by a member named ECA on a public forum "disclosing" the direction you are taking as an organization meant you had already agreed upon said direction and would most certainly be expecting lots of questions. Hence the barrage of worries and need for answers. If suppliers are getting together to form an association, I as a consumer am very concerned as this could effect quality, price and a great many other things that directly affect myself and my chosen hobby. I guess I figured wrong. It would probably be a good idea to not post things like this on a public forum until you've worked out an actual entity and have a spokeperson.

 

[Kate]

They certainly shouldn't be announcing the launch of a traders group on the campaign board.

 

[breakfastchef]

You guys need to hire a few Phillip Morris or Lorillard people to help write the bylaws and set the association priorities.

 

[scintar]

Oh no, you guys are using 1&1

Just want to say that I have used them in past and they SUUUUUUCK. I much prefer

I was thinking the same thing. ECA Bad move #1 1&1 internet hosting.

Try powweb.com unlimited everything or even ipower.com

 

[Retina_Burn]

They certainly shouldn't be announcing the launch of a traders group on the campaign board.

Kate, I couldn't agree with you more. I am in the mindset that this is a traders association as well. I'm not sure of the quality of legal advice they are getting but this thread was a pretty poor way of going about things. Good thing outta' this is that now we know what suppliers and what manufacturer that are involved so we can track prices and what not.

Also, this is to the suppliers out there. If you are going to be a part of something like this and are asking for reform, it would be nice to see some of you lead by example, I've been to a few of these suppliers and there are many controversial tactics on their sites. I've had friends order from some of them and invoice tracks to a company in their state but no state sales tax was charged. If you are really trying to help us out, make sure you all don't have any creative bookkeeping or hypocrisy going on. That would really do more harm than good if exposed.