The Echo Thread

[DarthVper]

Too late, I trash-canned them :/
You can easily read a bunch of numbers from the second picture though.
I have a feeling the other guy with a soaked battery could dissect his and see what's what.

 

[unmatter]

Oh hey it turns out I did take pics of my echo battery surgery. Hmm. Anyways here's some good ones:



EDIT: I should mention that in that first picture, the orientation is backwards. The end with the white material and small black oval (microphone diaphram) is the LED end of the battery. The back of the mic is the circuitry and the actual blue led, which I did not get a good picture of sadly. I really don't remember taking them at all so... it's all gravy imo....

Also, the yellowish color on these is actually eliquid that is trapped against the battery cell under the plastic that is wrapped around it.

Thanks for posting these pics. What is that nipple-like thing off to the left between the bat and casing in the first pic?

 

[unmatter]

Can you read the number on the type of battery it is?

This is what I can make out:

GN13700 3.70xxx <-- xxx is some letters I can't make out
+ CF10045D01A -

This seems to indicate that the battery is 13mm x 70mm. Which is too small to pack a true 1300mah. Like most of these batteries it is probably overrated. AW batts which are rated pretty accurately has a 15720 that is 1200mah. It is 2mm wider and 2mm longer and is pushing the true limit of that size.

AW's 15500 is rated 750mah and Joye's ego 650 has a batt that is 13450 (2mm less wide x 5mm shorter). The Riva's are the same size and claim 750mah - pretty much impossible.

I'm guessing here, but I think the echo uses pwm or some other method to regulate voltage to squeeze more life out of the battery and more closely mimic the life of a 1300mah batt.

 

[txtumbleweed]

I agree the size is definitely smaller than other 1300 batteries but I get almost the exact vaping hours with them as other 1300's. I've checked a Hello 1300, a Riva 1300 and a ego 1300 which was 14mm but about an inch longer than the echo. I got 17-18 hrs vaping on each of them using the same atty. That is what I got on the Echo also only using the echo carto. I did get longer with the Go-go though 21 hrs if I remember right. The Echo might not be a true 1300 mah but it holds a charge long enough for me which is about 17 hrs of vaping a day. I love the auto batteries performance and the chrome 1300 with the cone shaped carto is the best looking PV I have. With the 801 cartridge hard plastic whistle tip I can comfortably grip and hold with my teeth for hands free vaping when I need too. Yep, I'm still in love! lol

 

[GMalarkey]

I agree the size is definitely smaller than other 1300 batteries but I get almost the exact vaping hours with them as other 1300's. I've checked a Hello 1300, a Riva 1300 and a ego 1300 which was 14mm but about an inch longer than the echo. I got 17-18 hrs vaping on each of them using the same atty. That is what I got on the Echo also only using the echo carto. I did get longer with the Go-go though 21 hrs if I remember right. The Echo might not be a true 1300 mah but it holds a charge long enough for me which is about 17 hrs of vaping a day. I love the auto batteries performance and the chrome 1300 with the cone shaped carto is the best looking PV I have. With the 801 cartridge hard plastic whistle tip I can comfortably grip and hold with my teeth for hands free vaping when I need too. Yep, I'm still in love! lol

Was it Ikenvape where you got your whistletips?

 

[txtumbleweed]

I got some aluminum whistle drip tips from Ikenvape but they are not real comfortable to grip with teeth. What I like best are the hard plastic tips off of a 801 cartridge. The only vendor that I know that sells them is Nhaler most come with the rubber tips similar to the standard echo tip. The plastic tips fit and work much better than the standard tip. The only benefit of the drip tip is the hole is bigger and lets excess vapor dissipate without causing condensation like you get with standard whistle tips.
These are the ones I like and they are 4.00 for five. http://shop.nhaler.com/801-Cartridges-801cartridges.htm

 

[GMalarkey]

Thanks, I may have to order some. I got a couple of the drip tips but prefer the whistle tip feel. The drip tips jus aren't comfortable to me but does the condensation really make that big of a difference?

 

[txtumbleweed]

Not really I just take the tip off and blow through it every few hrs if I get a little taste of the condensation. It may not happen with eveyone being as I've never heard anyone else comment about the condensation. If you don't have a condensation problem with the tip that comes with the Echo you probably won't have a problem with these.

 

[unmatter]

I agree the size is definitely smaller than other 1300 batteries but I get almost the exact vaping hours with them as other 1300's. I've checked a Hello 1300, a Riva 1300 and a ego 1300 which was 14mm but about an inch longer than the echo. I got 17-18 hrs vaping on each of them using the same atty. That is what I got on the Echo also only using the echo carto. I did get longer with the Go-go though 21 hrs if I remember right. The Echo might not be a true 1300 mah but it holds a charge long enough for me which is about 17 hrs of vaping a day. I love the auto batteries performance and the chrome 1300 with the cone shaped carto is the best looking PV I have. With the 801 cartridge hard plastic whistle tip I can comfortably grip and hold with my teeth for hands free vaping when I need too. Yep, I'm still in love! lol

Is that right? I didn't know the other 1300's are an inch longer. That's an awfully cumbersome pv! You also have to take into account the extra 1/4 inch or so for the 510 threads on the ego style batts. It's really an inefficient design that I imagine was a workaround to make it 510 compatible, and the reason the echo-e carto holds less liquid than the echo even though it's the same size.

I've been using my echo 1300 for about 5 days now and the batts have lasted me between 17:40 and 22 hrs. until they blink out. Which is plenty long for me. I have gone to using one per day and charging the other overnight and not fully discharging them. When fully discharged they charge in about 10 hrs. for me. I originally let them run till they blinked just to get an idea of how long they would last me. This spanned more than a day per battery and I had to record when I stopped vaping at night and when I started vaping in the morning just so I could time them.

From subjective experience it seems to me that the current from the echo is stronger than an ego on the echo-e, but weaker than the Riva on the echo-e. I'm thinking it might effectively be running somewhere around 3.6v. I don't have the equipment to test if that's the case, though.

I have the chrome too, and I agree it's a great looking pv. The batt lasts me a full day and I top off the carto either before bed or first thing in the morning and then again in the middle of the day and that's it for normal daily maintenance. This is by far, the easiest pv to take care of that I've ever had. And while the vapor performance and flavor isn't quite as good as my Riva on an echo-e, it is more than adequate for me and the other advantages I've already explained outweigh these minimal disadvantages. Others may prefer the extra maintenance to get the slight performance boost, but I'm enjoying not having to fiddle with my pv to keep it running.

 

[unmatter]

Not really I just take the tip off and blow through it every few hrs if I get a little taste of the condensation. It may not happen with eveyone being as I've never heard anyone else comment about the condensation. If you don't have a condensation problem with the tip that comes with the Echo you probably won't have a problem with these.

I get the condensation too, but like you said it's easy to just blow it out. I also stick the twisted corner of a paper towel in there after I blow it out to get any remaining liquid.

 

[txtumbleweed]

The ego 14mm 1300 I had was the same length as two 650's stacked and it was too long. The others are a little shorter but bigger in diameter, 16.5 mm vs 14 mm for the echo.

 

[jackiejunque]

Ok my battery flashed to tell me it needed charging. Put it on to charge and it did not light up at all. Does this mean that battery is dead? It doesn't seem to be charging at all.

Jackie

 

[DarthVper]

Thanks for posting these pics. What is that nipple-like thing off to the left between the bat and casing in the first pic?

That 'nipple' thing is the metal center post at the threaded end of the battery, with a thin plastic sheath around it. You can safely pry it out with a screw driver of knife, the wire is long enough to get a peek inside. It is supposed to have the yellow wire (seen in pic 4) attached to the inside end of the 'nipple' but as stated before its really cheap soldering and came right off with a couple curious tugs.

Ok my battery flashed to tell me it needed charging. Put it on to charge and it did not light up at all. Does this mean that battery is dead? It doesn't seem to be charging at all.

Jackie

In my experience that means there's juice leaked into the battery causing a short. The charger will believe the battery is full due to the closed loop. You may have a different situation though. I also experienced a tempormental usb charger that had to be positioned 'just right' for some reason. Sigh...

In other news, I got my mom into vaping the other day, we got her an eGo with an adapter so she could use my echo and 808 cartos (I have about 50 filled with different flavors). Later I tried my cartos on her eGo and boy... they are a lot stronger and warmer on her eGo! I'm a little jealous but also wondering why this is?

Finally. I can say that the 801 hard plastic whistle tips are not only better on the jaw for danglin' but imho make the vapor taste better

 

[IrishTexan]

okay...need to make sure I am understanding completely before doing some ordering the end of this week as I do not have a lot of funds. I have a auto echo. I am going to order a manual echo-e battery and charger...my purpose is to use it to dry burn my auto cartos and I will have it as a battery backup. So...I need an adapter to go between my manual echo-e battery and the auto echo cartos. If I am understanding it correctly I need a 510 to 808 adapter...is that correct? If this is correct...where can I get one? Madvapes has them but is out of stock. Thanks in advance for your input and help.

 

[txtumbleweed]

okay...need to make sure I am understanding completely before doing some ordering the end of this week as I do not have a lot of funds. I have a auto echo. I am going to order a manual echo-e battery and charger...my purpose is to use it to dry burn my auto cartos and I will have it as a battery backup. So...I need an adapter to go between my manual echo-e battery and the auto echo cartos. If I am understanding it correctly I need a 510 to 808 adapter...is that correct? If this is correct...where can I get one? Madvapes has them but is out of stock. Thanks in advance for your input and help.

You can get 510 to 901 adapters here for 4.00 with free shipping.Ecig Adapters
You can also dry burn your Echo by blowing in the battery end and looking in a mirror to see the coil if you don't want to buy a manual battery.

 

[IrishTexan]

okay...thanks about the blowing tip...I can try that but at my age I do not have a lot of blowing power...lol. If I decide to go with the manual...am I understanding that I need to look for a 510 to 901 adapter? This is what I am confused over...I thought it was 808 as my auto 808 batteries fit the echo carts. I am also looking at getting an atty for the manual battery and using it to test juices. Bill has single manual batteries and chargers. Thought this would be a good way to kill 2 birds with one stone.

 

[txtumbleweed]

The 808 and 901 adapters are the same threads. The difference in a 901 atty and a 808 carto is the airflow but I'm sure the adapter will work. I don't have that particular adapter but I have the reverse 901/808 battery to 510 carto. It doesn't take anymore air to blow than to puff. lol I don't have much lung capacity left either, thanks to 50 years of smoking.

 

[IrishTexan]

So I would also want a 901 atty to use to test juice? Thank you for your help. I am fairly new and started with the auto echo so now I need to learn manual so as to be able to test and not dedicate a echo cart to juice I might not like.

 

[IrishTexan]

duh,,,never mind...I would just use a 510 atty on the echo-e battery...right? Can you suggest a good one? Sometimes my brain gets a little overloaded...lol.

 

[Eclipsed1770]

Ok my battery flashed to tell me it needed charging. Put it on to charge and it did not light up at all. Does this mean that battery is dead? It doesn't seem to be charging at all.

Jackie

One thing that I had to do is pull the center pin up a little to get the connection to the charger. When you screw on the cartos to tight it pushes the center pin down. I periodically have to put a paper clip in the center hole and left up on the center pin and then place it back on the charger and the light will light up. Give it a try before trashing the battery or thinking it died on you.