The Echo Thread

[Fernand]

The wife would love a Steinway but at 25K for a used one that ain't happening anytime soon.

If you're mechanically inclined, it turns out that grand pianos are easy to work on. The whole keybed and action slides right out. You can usually find used ?-brand baby grands very cheap. I see all sorts at under $1000, often under $500. Then you file down and reshape the hammers with emery boards and pins, and adjust the action. Steinways are lovely, but if you find a generic baby grand with good strings, and tweak it, you can produce a decent piano that she might like. And it would be something you can do together. The bass strings are important, they can be taken off and twisted a half a turn to improve them, but that's a lot of work. Most pianos have miserable action because nobody has ever adjusted it. There are all sorts of tutorials. Spending an hour or two in the evening together for a month or so, you can turn a mediocre piano into quite a nicely playing one.

 

[Fernand]

I'm not sure which is a bigger consumer of liquid: the Echo-e or the smok EMDCC. I work one of each. Remember dripping, three drops at a time? Well these are INSANE. They both get periodic refills, in the 1 to 1.5 ml range. I think I went through 7 ml today without even trying. Wow! And where IS all that glycerin going? (Answer) On the walls, in the carpet, on the windows, in my clothes. It's water soluble, so It comes right off/out, but doesn't it bind dirt? anybody notice the film on the windows?

 

[Eclipsed1770]

My wifes a concert pianist (she's got a concert tonight), there is no way I'd be fixing up a piano for her. I haven't noticed the film like the analogs create.

I got my DC echo cartos yesterday from Mountain Vapor and I must say I really like them.

 

[michaelcly]

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You can use your ego wall pwr supply but you need to use the echo usb charger with it. You can buy them at Cropduster901 for 2.75. The 801 drip tip works on them.

Thanks for the info!
Got my ECHO battery and compared it to the eGo/ECHO-E setup. No noticeable difference in the flavor or strength. I'm sticking with the eGo setup though. The ego bats charge 3 times as fast and It doesn't take so much juice to fill it up (or lose when its done). The 2.5 ml is plenty for me. The ECHO battery is a nice battery though. It drives a bloog carto really great and looks good together too.

About the tip... I like vaping the ECHO cartos without the tip. Until I get some 801 drip tips, I've been slicing off the whistle part of the rubber tip. Works really well and has a more finished look than sans tip.

 

[Fernand]

I think we tend to overfill. It's the same thing with the SMOK EMDCC (which for all the amperage that it draws is not a better vape IMHO). An Echo-e on an eGo battery is a NICE mascheen. With the Echo there's no danger of burning anything. I've vaped them dry a number of times, and you know you're out when they taste like vaping a toaster. I find it vapes much better if it's short of drippy saturation. Also I've been surprised at the degree to which injecting along the sides makes for a better vape than dripping the liquid from the top.

 

[Fernand]

I haven't noticed the film like the analogs create.

Well, vaporizing several milliliters a day, pray tell, where IS all that liquid going? Check your windows now and then.

 

[Marcutio311]

the echo dc, are hard to fit on my buzzpro, so I am going to stick with my mf drippers from nhaler. I got 2 echo dc cartos from mountain vapor and one single coil carto from mountain vapor still in package if anyone wants to buy them. message me on here. Got a 801 flat berlin tip from mountain vapor that I wont be using either, its comes in a a couple days, will sell that too.

I ordered a smoketech dc 2.5 ohm cartos for 808 to try, and I think it will fit my buzzpro alot nicer.

 

[JeffyD]

I just got my Echo 1300, and I'm sorely disappointed. Unfortunately, I got one with the 5-second cutoff time, but mine are closer to a 3-4 second cutoff. It's really got me upset. I've only used the DC cartos that have come with it- well, only one of five, so that might be a problem- but it didn't take anywhere near 3mL of liquid. The vapor is warm, which is nice, and the throat hit is more like a throat KICK which is nice... at times. Other times, it's kind of obnoxious. Vapor is subpar, to boot.

Maybe it's just the liquid I'm using (Crimson Cow by Blue Mist - AMAZING flavor, by the by), and maybe I should try another to see if it has any effect whatsoever.

Overall, I know it's a new product that takes some getting used to, but at the moment, I'm kind of just BLAH about the whole thing. It doesn't seem like it's just anywhere near up to snuff as my Volt. The only reason I switched was for a longer battery life, and because I keep losing the damned tiny cig-sized 808s.

Any tips, or anything to point out that I may have done wrong?

I'll keep at it. Thanks for anything anyone would like to add. Sorry if I sound like a huge whiner - I just wanted to get things going.

 

[Marcutio311]

nah ur good jeffy all problems that ive had too. First off echo is garbage. I mean both I had sent to me wouldnt charge, the first one wouldnt even work. And when it did work, cause it charged for like a hour thats all, it wasnt that great. So yeah no good. And Ive read many post of charging problems with the echo. As for cartos its the single coil that come with it, you might like the dc horizontal echo cartos, fairly new and first of their kind. But to be honest they dont fit right on all mods, and they dont hold the 3ml, although I got about 3 tho, and I liek the vapor taste and th. What kind of liquid are you using? PG?vg? mix(wut ratio), it makes a difference. If you want any dual coil ones I got like two to sell, but I use my drippers most they rock, and yeah they only hold like 25 drops, but I like it this way. Cause when theres alot of juice put in the bigger ones, i always lose taste when its not empty but just been used a lil and I constantly gotta fill anyways, so I stick with these, Ive filled em like 10 to 15 times a piece and they still taste like new. KR808D-1 Drippers Their a great ohm range for 3.7 to 4.2 volts, I run about 4.3 or so on my buzzpro for max vapor and th. Also you might like the smoketech dc 2.5 ohm from madvapes if you wanna use dc still, with these though you should run 5 to 6 v, Im trying one this week on my buzz mod. Lemme know whats up man. GL

 

[JeffyD]

Thanks for the reply.

Nah, I got the DC Horizontal cartos since Mountain Vapor is packing five in with their kits. So, yeah. Maybe the single coils are better? I don't know. I just heard a lot of good stuff about the Echo units, but made sure not to psyche myself up too much. Unfortunately, with even just a minor dose of hope (since I had lost all of my SI batts,) they still are failing to perform too well.

Sucks, but hopefully the Finger of God will poke them a bit, and maybe they'll get all magical. I really want a unicorn. Le freakin' sigh. Still hopeful, though.

Oh, and I'm using a 80/20 pg/vg blend from Blue Mist. It's not a vapor performer, but it usually puts out quite a bit more on other units.

Funny thing is- the Echo batt does wonders with the newish 808 cartos. Just looks stupid as sin, haha. Shucks.

Any more tips from anyone would be helpful.

 

[Marcutio311]

ahh i c yeah they are dc, i got mine from mtn vapor too, didnt know thats where you go them, and no the sc dont work better. I found that with the big echo cartos that my higher volt mod worked alot better with em. But I would suggest just paying like 13 bucks for a bloog manual 78mm battery (320mah) for your spare or even main and dont lose it!!!ha. And if its for you spare then get the buzzpro for your main, great vv mod lil cheaper than provari and you dont have to press a button 50 times to change settings, lol such a sleep mod with the dumbest idea on how to change settings. Also 80/20 or 75/25 is like perfect man, you should get lots of vapor. The vg makes more vapor than pg but it has less taste and th so a 80/20 is a perfect mix. I get alot of vapor even with my 100% pg juices tho, but I use those drippers I linked to you, and they work great on my buzzpro and a reg 3.7 device, there only 12 with shipping from nhaler thats cheap. You should try em out. Also maybe try a norm 808 looking carto thats still dc from madvapes, they might work nice too, im getting one in to try and heard good things, but my sc horizontal drippers I use work so great. And the truth is man this chinese lady holds the patent to atomizers and cartomizers so, there only made over there from 1 of 15 factories and most all cartos are built the same, just different spec wise, and some people even get like reg cartos and just slap a name or label on it, alot do actually so dont stress too much on whats the best and whats not, try for specs more.

 

[Marcutio311]

ahh yeah like the kgo, yeah you could try some of those, I just didnt cause I didnt want to mess with anymore of those batteries, cause inside there alot like the same, but yeah I would take once last shot at one of those. i got my mod though so I just sent mine back, and got a manual bloog, it a backup anyway. As for the echo E I havent tried it yet, ty for the info, I love my drippers though so will stay with them, but I have already spent too much and already got one I love, but jeff if ya got a few extra bucks just grab a single and try it out hehe :0

 

[txtumbleweed]

I just got my Echo 1300, and I'm sorely disappointed. Unfortunately, I got one with the 5-second cutoff time, but mine are closer to a 3-4 second cutoff. It's really got me upset. I've only used the DC cartos that have come with it- well, only one of five, so that might be a problem- but it didn't take anywhere near 3mL of liquid. The vapor is warm, which is nice, and the throat hit is more like a throat KICK which is nice... at times. Other times, it's kind of obnoxious. Vapor is subpar, to boot.

Maybe it's just the liquid I'm using (Crimson Cow by Blue Mist - AMAZING flavor, by the by), and maybe I should try another to see if it has any effect whatsoever.

Overall, I know it's a new product that takes some getting used to, but at the moment, I'm kind of just BLAH about the whole thing. It doesn't seem like it's just anywhere near up to snuff as my Volt. The only reason I switched was for a longer battery life, and because I keep losing the damned tiny cig-sized 808s.

Any tips, or anything to point out that I may have done wrong?

I'll keep at it. Thanks for anything anyone would like to add. Sorry if I sound like a huge whiner - I just wanted to get things going.

That's a bummer you are having problems with a new pv. If it is cutting off that quickly there is a problem. Does it cutoff that quick with the other 808 cartos? I use a syringe to fill mine and I always get over three mls in a new carto. I've been using them since May and I've had three bad cartos but two have been the new dual coils. One wouldn't fire and one had bad threads.
You said you didn't get anywhere near 3 ml but about how much did you get in it? What method did you use to fill it?

 

[JeffyD]

Bill, yeah I almost ordered one of those. Off of D&B. Almost. I don't dig manuals, though.

Merc, Yeah, I guess I'll have to drop the money to try a single... OR I'll just keep buying the Volts. If it works, it works.

Tumble, I just got done filling up a second one from the box of five I got, and I managed to get 3ish in there before the dripping out the bottom. I'll try after I let settle for a hot minute. The first one, I got a little under 2. I'd estimate 1.7ish. I'm just using a small bottle and drip/spinning 'em. I was going to pick up a syringe on my order, but the place I got my kit from doesn't have the option.

 

[Marcutio311]

lol tumble, 3 of mine were bad too, freaking china get your damn act together!!!

 

[Marcutio311]

get those drippers homey you wont be disappointing.

 

[txtumbleweed]

Three bad cartos in 5 months isn't bad but if I had three bad out of five I would be looking for something else too. I still have 30 or 40 single coils left and they work very good for me although the duals are a little better. I love my Echo auto and will be using it for a long time. I like it better than the original Buzz I had although I haven't tried the new one. If you like to mess with something all the time VV is okay and they do give you a good hit when you have them tuned in right. I just prefer the no muss no fuss vape I get with the Echo and Go-Go PV's.

 

[Marcutio311]

not sure wut fuss there is, since all the fuss ive had is from most the batts I had b4 my buzz. But yeah you pop the batteries in and no fuss, each setting is different volt(color coded, easy) and somewhere between 3.7 and 4.3 4.5 or whatever you will find your just perfect vape. Yeah the new buzz is nice, I love it. And the fact its just a metal exterior and a lil cirtcuit board inside built nice and simple that is gonna last, I consider it the least fuss from anything. Really takes the edge off from worrying bout shotty construction from them damn chinese hehe. Maybe when we make cartos, we will have less problems over here, dunno, but that will be a long 10 or more years till the patent runs out that lil chinese lady has hehe. She had a damnn good idea haaaaa

yo tumble buy my echo dc carto though still in wrapper, got like two left, and I like my drippers better for my buzz. Ill give you deal. And throw in a sc echo carto. Got that berlin flat 801 drip tip too from mtn vapor I wont be needing.

 

[Marcutio311]

u get the new buzz bill, i dont think you will pick up the other lol if u did though I wouldnt grab a provari, if u watch the video you gotta click the button like a million times to do different settings, and its just soo dumb lol. other than that it looks real nice. But yeah your buzz will be just like your batt now, just set it to yellow which is 4.35 under load which is pretty much the volt you run now with your batt, and vape away. I do like the gogos, just hate how too many things come to me not working, and I gotta get another one shipped in. The post office beginning to know me well haaa.

 

[DLL9MM]

I don't vape the echo although i do sell them, but my sister does and she pretty much agrees with what you said. she switched to the echo-e and says it for sure out preforms the echo as far as flavor and throat hit.
the echo-e is a ego that comes off the charger at 4.2 and remains at 4.2 until recharge time.

What PV do you use?