The Echo Thread

[Charlz]

Hadn't thought to actually push the coil closer together, that makes sense! More reason to get a suitable glue. Are you getting the inner wrap perfectly flat to the tube?

This one, not as much as the one I did last night. Basically due to the tube having more flex. But it performs much better. The reason I though to scrunch the coil was last night I made a "dirty sock" flavored carto. I got enough light down there and sure enough, one side of the coil was hitting the tube. My trimming this time also gave more clearance, I believe. It only had 3 wraps, not four like the one last night. It's measuring 2.7ohms. It's awesome!

I looked at GotVapes and could no longer find that glue. A vape safe epoxy is needed before a complete rebuild can be done.

Cyrus, sorry. I misunderstood what you were referring to.

 

[StartLifeEndLife]

Do you find the dirty sock taste to give a harsh feel on the back of your throat? That's what I'm getting when the coil is touching the tube. Or is it just all taste for you?

 

[Charlz]

It's mainly taste. But that tube is burning so I can see it may put off a harsh TH if you keep at it. You're smoking that tube, man.

 

[StartLifeEndLife]

It's mainly taste. But that tube is burning so I can see it may put off a harsh TH if you keep at it. You're smoking that tube, man.

Yeah that's what I thought. Its been like this in 5 of the 8 cartos I have used, so taking them apart to figure it out was a necessity. The two that were in my kit were perfect. The rest have all been problematic. I have two more lightly used ones to fix, hopefully its not too late for them, if I try to vape through It the wick gets trashed, one I took apart and half the wick was literally turned to ash.

Perhaps they are doing something different now and that's why the draw on the new dual coil is tighter..they seem to be doing quite a few changes on the new echos they are shipping. Hopefully I can wait a while for refreshed stock before I order more cartos.

 

[Cyrus Vap]

I wonder if that tube even needs to be glued down?

What if you just detach the whole thing, trim it as you did above, wrap the filler around it, and slide down the middle? Maybe even leave the tube sitting slightly higher than usual so its def giving you more clearance

if cartomizers with off center tubes work fine, I don't see why this wouldn't work

 

[Charlz]

Might work with a single coil. seems hard to ensure the tube is in the right spot and make sure the wrapping is hitting the wick. I would like to say pulse burning with a kgo is a little annoying. I get 5 quick burns and nothin. Have to remember to turn the stupid thing back on. gets me every time.

I'm joking. Doesn't get me every time. I'm not that dumb!

 

[Charlz]

If you look at the Hangsen site, they claim the echo can be taken apart for cleaning and last over 100 refills. Turns out they were right afterall. The problem is, none of the product information as inteended by them ever makes it to us. We are always left to figure out everything for ourselves. The rubber orings around the base tells me they meant to design them this way. Only took 6 months to figure it out. Except for Errol. he knew it all along.

 

[Charlz]

getting better and better. Just took apart and rebuilt a dcc in 20 mins. Including a complete dry burn. Scrunched the coils in.....HOT HOT HOT!!!!! I'm off. TTY all tomorrow!

 

[Cyrus Vap]

The draw has been improved so you will notice that it is not as "airy" as the original one. The base of the rubber tip has been enlarged so that it does not fall out.


from the Hangsen website

I want an airy one! lol

 

[txtumbleweed]

I haven't bought any new ones lately but I've never had any of mine get a burnt taste other than when I run one dry and then they are fine after I fill them. I went in on a Co-op and got 40 single coils several months ago and I've only cleaned a couple using the syringe method. Someday I might get around to taking one apart to dryburn one but I doubt it. lol I will leave that to you tinkers. I'm saving all that need cleaning and if I ever get desperate I will have a big supply.

 

[StartLifeEndLife]

The draw has been improved so you will notice that it is not as "airy" as the original one. The base of the rubber tip has been enlarged so that it does not fall out.


from the Hangsen website

I want an airy one! lol

I wonder what they changed in it to make it tighter? Might be something for charlz to figure out since he has both.

Even though the top of the center tube can be far off to the side with no problem, the bottom of it must be centered over the hole in the battery connection and the coil must be centered in the tube as well.

Oops forgot we were talking about the battery being a tighter draw and not just the DCC

 

[Cyrus Vap]

It says as much

 

[Cyrus Vap]

this one is for Charlz

 

[Charlz]

The draw between the two batteries is only nitpickyness. It's this last batch of cartos I'm taking issue with. And by the way, I haven't been tooting on the DCCs as much but the rebuild worked so well, I took it with me for the afternoon. DUMB! I pumped through it in 2 hours. I forgot how fast these burn fuel.

 

[Charlz]

this one is for Charlz

Good thing I'm checking the forums before bedtime. Picture looks great since I'm lying down.

 

[StartLifeEndLife]

I got better at predicting which cartos will need coil adjusting and which ones will be fine. Out of the five new single coils I have two were fine and 3 will need adjusting.

The DCCs are a different story right now. The top coil is easily visible, bottom coil not so much. Filled a new DCC and it was great for a few hours but the next morning it was dirty sock taste and extra harsh. I wonder what happened to it. Will be dissmantling soon to get a look at that bottom coil.

With the dismantling they might really make 100 refills, that would be something.

The echo cartos are my favorite, but I must have gotten a slighly bad batch, I still have faith in them.

 

[Cyrus Vap]

The draw between the two batteries is only nitpickyness. It's this last batch of cartos I'm taking issue with. And by the way, I haven't been tooting on the DCCs as much but the rebuild worked so well, I took it with me for the afternoon. DUMB! I pumped through it in 2 hours. I forgot how fast these burn fuel.

yes

even thought based on what I'm used to the 'sealed' echo is certainly tight on draw, the difference is blown out of proportion when using a fluxomizer (pretty open, easily get clouds of vapor) vs. the DCC (great flavor, but i feel like I'm sucking on a golf ball)

the flavor on my tight DCC is impressive, nevertheless, even for something with filler it really shines. we need to petition these jerks to halt the tighter version lol

wonder if cropduster or someone has the 'older' versions

 

[StartLifeEndLife]

yes


wonder if cropduster or someone has the 'older' versions

This is very likely...best to ask. I got my "old version" of the DCC from cropduster at the beginning of feb.

 

[Cyrus Vap]

I'll look into it!

How are the single coils vs. the dual coils? warmth, flavor, etc?

Just to recap:

there is no such thing is an adaptor with slots that will let me use 510 cartos on a non slotted 808 (e.g. the Echo)? Unless I buy one and slot it...

 

[StartLifeEndLife]

Single coils are nearly as good as the dual coils. The dual coils have a little extra kick and get warmer a little faster. I personally cannot tell the difference between the two if I mix up which is which. I have heard they really perform at higher volts. The DCC's drain the battery and juice faster too. Flavor: same on both for me. Warmth: both reach the same temp for me, but the DCC reaches it faster.

Also, the Singles are slightly easier to take apart because you can remove the stuffing first, where as you have to dismantle a DCC with stuffing in. And you can easily see the coil on the SCC to adjust it without taking it apart (still a bit tricky though.)

I enjoy the DCC's but the advantages of them are marginal for me on the standard Echo battery and the juice cost and battery life cost makes them not ideal for my all day vape. I use them for my occasional "heavy hitting" vapes.

Oh by the way the DCC's were invented by a Forum member. This echo thread is a very exciting read at times.

And yes, as far as we have discussed on the thread the only way to use an adapter on the sealed Echo is to slot it yourself. It would work on an unsealed one though. (hope im helping)