The End of Non-Sub-Ohm Tanks?

[Hans Wermhat]

I don't get the whole sub tank craze from the consumer's stand point. They are all so similar and none of them can cast a shadow on a well built RDA for clouds or flavor. I guess they are just there for the beginner "Klowdz, bro" vapers who haven't learned how to build yet. And for the folks who want clouds but aren't inclined to build for themselves. I see the ease factor in a cloud maker with a prefab atomizer that you don't have to re-wet every few puffs, but I also see tons of posts from folks that are dissatisfied with the performance of their $40-$50 fad tank and the iffy reliability and short lifespan of a prefab coil. I like to blow clouds too, but my ADV is still a KFL. I can buy a new KF and a RDA (clones, of course) and a years worth of wire and wicks for the price of one of those tanks and a 5-pack of coils at the BM and have the best of both worlds with better performance and reliability.

 

[n30nex]

I don't get the whole sub tank craze from the consumer's stand point. They are all so similar and none of them can cast a shadow on a well built RDA for clouds or flavor. I guess they are just there for the beginner "Klowdz, bro" vapers who haven't learned how to build yet. And for the folks who want clouds but aren't inclined to build for themselves. I see the ease factor in a cloud maker with a prefab atomizer that you don't have to re-wet every few puffs, but I also see tons of posts from folks that are dissatisfied with the performance of their $40-$50 fad tank and the iffy reliability and short lifespan of a prefab coil. I like to blow clouds too, but my ADV is still a KFL. I can buy a new KF and a RDA (clones, of course) and a years worth of wire and wicks for the price of one of those tanks and a 5-pack of coils at the BM and have the best of both worlds with better performance and reliability.

Try an Arctic Tank with the 0.2 duel verticals, I chuck bigger clouds then my friends on drippers when I take that to work.
It eats juice too fast for me though, having to refill it so often at 50w - 100w makes me bring RDA or subtank.

 

[Hans Wermhat]

Tried it. I like it the best of all the sub tanks I've tried, but it can't touch my CLT with a pair of claptons for clouds OR flavor. And I can get bigger clouds out of my plume veil with a single N80 coil. Just takes a longer draw.

 

[tj99959]

Never owned a Nautilus, or one of the newer sub-tanks. I gave up on the never ending revisions on clearos when the CE4+ (revision 23 I think) came out, and went back to carto tanks. (being as "bogegate" was over)

To me clearo tanks were just a stopgap during that short period of time that carto quality went down the tube. (2012)

OH and, why in the Hell would I want to vape at 100 watts when I can get everything I want with 7 watts!?!

Right now this is in my hand (Caravela with an RDA)

and YUP, you guessed it ....... ~7 watts

My point is that quality product have been on the market for a long time now. You never hear anything about them because they work well and don't need fixing or replacing.

Stores don't want to stock them for the same reason, if you don't need to replace them .... they would go broke.

 

[nebulis]

The Triton comes with a 1.8 ohm Tootle puffing coil.

Funnily enough, all of a sudden, everything minus subohming appears to be tootle puffing

I think this is nothing but a marketing measure to win young people over to vaping.

Producing huge clouds is more attractive than simply giving up smoking ...

 

[Hans Wermhat]

Right now this is in my hand (Caravela with an RDA)

I think I saw that lil RDA on FT the other day for like $3... Was thinking it would be good for sampling my DIY. How's the flavor on it? Would I need to drill out the air hole to keep my head from imploding when I puff on it?

 

[Hans Wermhat]

Producing huge clouds is more attractive than simply giving up smoking ...

And the profits are in juice, not gear. It's a win/win for the shoppes.

 

[bman1977]

I've notcied that tootle puffers seem like a bunch of curmudgeons to me. Who cares if I want to blow giant clouds with a "fad" tank? To each his own. I never see someone criticizing a tootle puffer usually its always the tootlers taking shots at everyone else. Its very annoying and very snobbish. I dont; care if you can vape for 3 cents a month. We get it, your cheap, have fun with that. Rant over.

 

[edyle]

Is it just me or are more and more companies focusing on SubOhm tanks rather than standard 1.0 Ohm+ tanks?

Don't get me wrong... I own a few of the big SubOhm tanks as well as the entire line of Aspire tanks (Nautilus & Mini, K1)

It seems like they are a dime a dozen and Aspire are just settling with "Version 1" of theirs.

Even after getting into rebuilds, and sub ohm Vaping, I still use my Nautilus/Mini on a daily basis alongside my Atlantis V.2 at .3 Ohms.

I'd love to see a version 2 or even a revision of the Nautilus Mini (favorite tank to date) come out this year, but I ask the community...

Are standard tanks dead? What would make you switch back (if you're using a sub ohm tank) to a standard tank?

I'm excited to read what the community says!


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Standard nominal battery voltage is 3.7 volts.
At one time it made sense to fabricate high volumes of replacement coils targetted to work at 3.7 volts.

Nowadays there are many more regulated vv/vw mods out there, so the market is there for a wider range of coils operating over a wider range of voltage/wattage.

 

[ENAUD]

I saw this trend happening back about six months ago, so I stocked up on ProTank 2's, aerobases and coils. I re-wick and re-build the coils due to personal preferences and feared that they would become scarce, which seems to be the case. When they started moving over to dual coils heads and then offering lower and lower Ω coils the writing was on the wall for me. When I find something I like I tend to want to stick with it.

One area that I see room for improvement would be to improve the products from a materials and machining standpoint. Use good quality stainless steel and pyrex or fused quartz. Use top grade material for the seals. Secondly, back up these products with spare parts, easily obtainable. And lastly, CLEAN the darn things, remove all machine oil traces and SANITIZE them before packaging.

 

[Hans Wermhat]

I've notcied that tootle puffers seem like a bunch of curmudgeons to me. Who cares if I want to blow giant clouds with a "fad" tank?

I'm not a curmudgeon and I wasn't criticizing anybody. Vaping is a personal journey and there are an infinite number of options out there to fit everybody's individual style and preference. I was just saying I don't personally get the trend towards spending a boat load of $ on gear looking for an experience that can be had better for cheaper. I'm not exactly a tootle puffer either. My ADV is a KFL to conserve juice, but I have an array of RDA's that get used almost daily for a cloud and a flavor change.

 

[bman1977]

I'm not a curmudgeon and I wasn't criticizing anybody. Vaping is a personal journey and there are an infinite number of options out there to fit everybody's individual style and preference. I was just saying I don't personally get the trend towards spending a boat load of $ on gear looking for an experience that can be had better for cheaper. I'm not exactly a tootle puffer either. My ADV is a KFL to conserve juice, but I have an array of RDA's that get used almost daily for a cloud and a flavor change.

No harm no foul. I wasn't pointing you out. The new sub ohm tanks are great for me. I get clouds and flavor with very little maintainence. I just started rebuilding on the RBA plus that comes with the Kanger Sub Tank. This is the perfect setup for me. Easy to build on and works great. I don't have the patience or the time to be messing with anything else right now. But who knows, last year at this time I said I would never start rebuilding and now I'm rebuilding. Like you said its a journey. Cheers.

PS: I still think tootlers are curmudgeons.

 

[tj99959]

I think I saw that lil RDA on FT the other day for like $3... Was thinking it would be good for sampling my DIY. How's the flavor on it? Would I need to drill out the air hole to keep my head from imploding when I puff on it?

That's an A7, and the air is through the 510 connector. Use a ~2 ohm coil.
I use 8/9 wraps of 30ga wrapped around 3 strands of 0.8mm silica wick.

I found that the flavoring was to intense with most of my juice formulas for my liking, and had to cut back on the amount of flavoring I was using. So the A7 definitely made me rethink my juice formulas. IMO to much flavor tastes worse than to little.

 

[VNeil]

Funnily enough, all of a sudden, everything minus subohming appears to be tootle puffing

I think this is nothing but a marketing measure to win young people over to vaping.

Producing huge clouds is more attractive than simply giving up smoking ...

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[VNeil]

I don't get the whole sub tank craze from the consumer's stand point. They are all so similar and none of them can cast a shadow on a well built RDA for clouds or flavor. I guess they are just there for the beginner "Klowdz, bro" vapers who haven't learned how to build yet. And for the folks who want clouds but aren't inclined to build for themselves. I see the ease factor in a cloud maker with a prefab atomizer that you don't have to re-wet every few puffs, but I also see tons of posts from folks that are dissatisfied with the performance of their $40-$50 fad tank and the iffy reliability and short lifespan of a prefab coil. I like to blow clouds too, but my ADV is still a KFL. I can buy a new KF and a RDA (clones, of course) and a years worth of wire and wicks for the price of one of those tanks and a 5-pack of coils at the BM and have the best of both worlds with better performance and reliability.

The way I vape, I get similar performance from my Subtank Mini as I do from my Troll and now Royal Hunter drippers. I'm more into flavor and high VG mouth feel. The clouds are just collateral damage.

When I'm driving a stick, with a Big Mac in one hand, a coke in the other, shifting gears, answering a text, at night, I really need a subtank. During the day I just drip

Just to say, more seriously, that I think a subtank can be as satisfying as a dripper and there are many times I don't want to drip. But when I have both hands free and I'm relaxed I enjoy dripping, and especially switching out flavors. I use the RBA on the subtank, just because I'm cheap and don't mind rewicking every couple days.

 

[VNeil]

The way I vape, I get similar performance from my Subtank Mini as I do from my Troll and now Royal Hunter drippers. I'm more into flavor and high VG mouth feel. The clouds are just collateral damage.

When I'm driving a stick, with a Big Mac in one hand, a coke in the other, shifting gears, answering a text, at night, I really need a subtank. During the day I just drip

Just to say, more seriously, that I think a subtank can be as satisfying as a dripper and there are many times I don't want to drip. But when I have both hands free and I'm relaxed I enjoy dripping, and especially switching out flavors. I use the RBA on the subtank, just because I'm cheap and don't mind rewicking every couple days.

The only reason I might go back to a Nautilus someday is for stealth vaping. I think there is a limit to where you can dial down an STM and at some point it makes sense to go with the Nauti. But mine are in storage and I won't see them again until September {sniff sniff}.

 

[athens]

Triton rta is super easy to rebuild and the airflow can be constructive both from the triton itself and what type of cool you build. I went crazy build 4+mm vertical coils in it but stepped down to 3mm for a tighter draw. I'd imagine a 2mm coil to be better for mouth to lung inhales. The rta is slide in and screw down instead of wrapping posts. I'd recommend that for newbs.

 

[crxess]

No harm no foul. I wasn't pointing you out. The new sub ohm tanks are great for me. I get clouds and flavor with very little maintainence. I just started rebuilding on the RBA plus that comes with the Kanger Sub Tank. This is the perfect setup for me. Easy to build on and works great. I don't have the patience or the time to be messing with anything else right now. But who knows, last year at this time I said I would never start rebuilding and now I'm rebuilding. Like you said its a journey. Cheers.

PS: I still think tootlers are curmudgeons.

If you think Subtank mini Qualifies as Clouds over tootlepoofing........

I vape a little of everything. Tanks are nice, your is in the current mid-range. My Orchids are about the same.
I always carry a 650 spinner and Carto as a backup when out(Tootle poofer?) but love relaxing with my RDA's at home. Something about Dual coil .2-.6ohm builds that Just Fogs up a room

Another trick is adding Marshmallow flavoring. Thicker clouds for some reason.(maybe they just taste thicker)

 

[Mfes]

Is it just me or are more and more companies focusing on SubOhm tanks rather than standard 1.0 Ohm+ tanks?

Don't get me wrong... I own a few of the big SubOhm tanks as well as the entire line of Aspire tanks (Nautilus & Mini, K1)

It seems like they are a dime a dozen and Aspire are just settling with "Version 1" of theirs.

Even after getting into rebuilds, and sub ohm Vaping, I still use my Nautilus/Mini on a daily basis alongside my Atlantis V.2 at .3 Ohms.

I'd love to see a version 2 or even a revision of the Nautilus Mini (favorite tank to date) come out this year, but I ask the community...

Are standard tanks dead? What would make you switch back (if you're using a sub ohm tank) to a standard tank?

I'm excited to read what the community says!


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[JMarca]

It may not seem so when you read a forum like this, but the overwhelming majority of e-cig users are STILL using e-gos and pen style mods, we are a niche not the majority.