The existential questions: Why smoke e-cigarettes?

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Thucydides

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I feel like e-cigarettes are my salvation, my connection to a culture that lasted centuries, a culture that is dying in the first world, a culture that I love.

I smoked for 10 years. Started when I was 24. I loved it. It’s the most fun anyone can have on a daily basis with fire. I was a really good smoker, too. None of those light or bargain cigarettes for me – full flavor all the way. I smoked Nat Shermans, those funny cigarettes that they only sell at tobacconists.

That was some time ago, and I am still puzzled to meet people who don’t enjoy their cigarettes and who complain that they can’t quit. Invariably, they smoked lousy cigarettes, and basing a general opinion of tobacco on lousy smokes is like passing judgment on mayo based on the taste of fat-free mayonnaise.

Far from being anti-social or filthy, smoking has been a tradition in western society for more than 400 years. It symbolizes leisure, relaxation, fortitude, success, amorousness, nonchalance, and (more recently) defiance. Americans have been naturally inclined to think that smoking is glamorous quite simply because it is glamorous. Shakespeare’s contemporaries wrote poems about it. Sir Walter Raleigh smoked. Errol Flynn smoked. Clark Gable smoked. Spencer Tracy smoked. John Wayne smoked. James Dean smoked. Gary Cooper smoked. Steve McQueen smoked. Franklin Roosevelt smoked. Ronald Reagan did a cigarette ad for Chesterfield. Who can picture Frank Sinatra or Humphrey Bogart without a cigarette? Harrison Ford smokes in “American Graffiti.” Paul Newman smokes in “Cool Hand Luke.” Clint Eastwood smokes in “The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly.” Bruce Willis smokes in “Die Hard.” Mel Gibson smokes in “Lethal Weapon.” James Bond smoked in the original movies and novels. Even James Stewart smokes in “It’s a Wonderful Life.” Note well: tobacco companies don’t pay for characters to smoke in movies; they pay to have their brand of cigarette associated with characters who already smoke. (And after all this, neo-puritans would still have us believe that smoking has resonated with westerners for more than 400 years because of the tobacco industry’s shrewd marketing.)

I know people (some of whom relatives) who have died of cancer after smoking their entire life. I suppose that they had some regrets. I hope not. It’s not like they weren’t doing anything riskier than anyone else was doing – it’s just that we’ve been taught to play extra-special-close attention to anyone who’s malady can be traced back to tobacco by a smear campaign that makes McCarthyism look mild.

The world is a dangerous place. A friend of mine in high school was paralyzed from the waist down in a fairly small car accident (3 other people in the car walked away). I know a guy who broke his back while helping a friend make an amateur film; he had to have his vertebrae fused, and now he suffers chronic back pain. I know a few people who don’t exercise that have already had heart attacks by the time they reach 50. I could go on and on. Huge irony: I can count on one hand the number of people who complained to me about second-hand smoke who were not morbidly obese.

Look, it’s difficult to talk about people who are close to us who die, but we are, after all, mortal. People die every day, and nobody spares every expense to prolong their life or improve their health or to avoid accidents. We live in a society where people are more concerned about whether children smoke than whether they get abortions. Kids sit on the couch all day playing homicidal video games, never lift a finger to exercise, eat nothing but potato chips and candy and big macs and junk food, and nobody bats an eye. But if anyone so much as hints that it’s OK for them to smoke, then there’s hell to pay. I’m sorry that people get sick and all, but I really don’t have any patience for all this blubbering about people who died who used tobacco.

When I hear people complain about the dangers of smoking, I tell them I’ve got a better idea: Why don’t we harp on the dangers of driving. Everyone knows someone who knows someone who dried driving. And driving pollutes our environment way worse than tobacco. We could post pictures of ugly people in ugly cars, and then everyone could take that tragic-but-self-righteous tone about how sad it is that people drive when it so obviously destroys lives and cheats our families out of time with their loved ones.

I know this is an argument I can’t win. People are far too brainwashed by the anti-smoking cult. But I love smoking, and I always refused to be a self-loathing smoker.

So why did I quit? I quit smoking many years ago because I started practicing a religion that forbade it. I enjoy practicing this religion. It provides peace and spiritual comfort that I wouldn’t trade for anything. Even so, I’ve always regretted that I couldn’t smoke and practice my religion. So until I found e-cigarettes, I was an ex-smoker with regrets and misgivings about the absence of smoking from my life.

Now, I'm an ex-smoker who couldn't care less about regular cigarettes. I love that I can be surrounded by puffs of vapor. I love the familiar shape refined through a century of mass production, holding it and fiddling with it and touching it to my lips. I love pulling the vapor into my mouth and feeling it exit through my nose. I’m surprised to find that I enjoy the variety of flavors that I’ve tried, because when I smoked I was very particular.

Most of all, I’m surprised to find that e-cigarettes are superior to cigarettes. I don’t much care about their health-impact compared to cigarettes. And I never concerned myself with the reactions of others to the smell or the ash. And it’s nice that religious devotion does not demand e-cigarette renunciation (most people don’t endure that restriction anyway). What I’m saying is that e-cigarettes are inherently better than cigarettes.

E-cigarettes are not temporally bound. Lighting a regular cigarette necessarily starts a timer – like when restaurants used to have smoking sections, and you had to calculate in your head whether the food would come before you finished the cigarette you were about to light. E-cigarettes wait for you, and they’re ready whenever you are. They’re an enjoyment that exists outside of time and space that you can pick up and leave as you please.

E-cigarettes give you a sense of permanence; they give you something to hang on to. A regular cigarette is a moment, and when the moment is over the cigarette is gone. One can love smoking in the abstract, but there’s no possible attachment to a single cigarette. An e-cigarette is a device, something you keep. It’s something that feels like it persists, and that makes it comfortable in a way that a cigarette can never be.

E-cigarettes bring the focus back to individual choice. Through targeted campaigns, first about “passive smoking” and then about “second hand smoke,” public health officials have sought for decades to recast smoking as an anti-social behavior, one that does not merely affect the individual but harms those around her. E-cigarettes turn this on its head. I can use an e-cigarette without impacting others, and that makes the choice, by right, my own and nobody else’s. Politicians and bureaucrats are scared witless of e-cigarettes because they know that they make a smoking-like behavior eminently and unquestionably social again.

E-cigarettes represent the triumph of man over his environment through the creation of shrewd technology. In e-cigarettes, we have a technology that empowers action by surgically removing its major risks, both to the individual and to those around her.

In all of these ways, e-cigarettes are uniquely suited to reconnect us with the rich heritage of tobacco use that dominated centuries of western civilization, a heritage that many would like to rip out root and branch.

But E-cigarettes aren’t some murky shadow of cigarettes, chosen because they do less harm. E-cigarettes represent what was best about smoking and move beyond all that to create a rich world of possibilities all its own.
 
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I chose to quit smoking after 30 years and start e cigs because I got tired of not being able to breathe,I'm glad you enjoyed it, I did also, but for me it wasn't about the past, I had just bought Into the propaganda that smoking would " fulfill" and give me "enjoyment"and I would look "COOL" in a way nothing else could..


They didn't mention that it would screw up my " quality of life".

Wonder how many big tobacco company magnates smoke?? Not many I suspect..
 
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It's clear that you've given this some thought! For me - e cigs are a way for me to not smoke real cigs - which I definitely don't want to. I did enjoy some aspects of smoking - but not nearly enough to warrant the slave I was to them. I'm still ...... off that I'm addicted to nicotine but e cigs allow me to live as a non-smoker. If it wasn't for e cigs, I would be using nicotine lozenges. Last time I tried quitting I used the lozenges for over a year - I feel vaping is better for me than long term lozenge use.
 

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Good read, and very well written. I don't agree with all of your points, but don't disagree strongly enough to warrant any rebuttal. I do agree totally with vaping being enjoyable on a different level than smoking. I enjoyed smoking for the nictotine, the hand to mouth, the social aspect, the feel in the back of my throat and the enjoyment of blowing out smoke. I get all that with vaping but now flavor is involved. I smoked regular cigs, wasn't too picky, but vaping has turned into a hobby of flavors.

I experience people who kind of scoff when they see me vape, smokers who think I'm indulging in a poor substitute. What they don't know is I'm enjoying vaping in a way they can't experience with cigarettes. For me it's not a smoking cessation device, but a vastly surperior nicotine and flavor delivery system. It turned into much more than a healthier and cheaper alternative to smoking. Even if that was all it was, that's reason enough to shout about vaping from the rooftops.

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Cigarettes smell nasty. That's why I quit. I like taking nicotine delivery into my own hands and making it personal. The romance surrounded by smoking ends when you see people huddled outside getting a fix. Like junkies, gathered around a gross ash-tray in front of the mall. You don't see that in the movies.
I didn't smoke because I wanted to look like Bruce Willis in Die Hard. I smoked because I was addicted, and the big tobacco companies wanted to keep me that way.
 

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When I started, I loved smoking, everything about it. The taste, the smoke, the ritual, everything. Don't know if I would go so far as to call it glamorous, but it was definitely enjoyable.

Then I started to notice that the negative effects weren't just for others, but were happening to me. Shortness of breath, stained teeth, skin issues, smoke stained fingers, and the feeling of constantly being followed by an ashtray. By then, I was hooked, and just could not stop. The effects continued to get worse as I fought my addiction, and deepened my self loathing for being unable to quit.

My self loathing deepened as I watched my teenage daughter start down the same path, and I was powerless to stop her. E-cigs have been a salvation for me. Allowing me to keep the positive aspects of smoking, without the negative. Not only do I feel better physically, but I feel better about myself.
 

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Thanks for the replies, folks. I'm glad you enjoyed reading my first foray into starting a thread here. Smoking is what it is; on a personal level it's something different for everyone, and for many people it's a very negative thing. I realize that most people start vaping as a way to stop smoking, and that's great. But judging something based on its origin runs afoul of something that philosophers call "the genetic fallacy."

E-cigarettes are what smoking was supposed to have been.
 

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    "Look, it’s difficult to talk about people who are close to us who die, but we are, after all, mortal. People die every day, and nobody spares every expense to prolong their life or improve their health or to avoid accidents. We live in a society where people are more concerned about whether children smoke than whether they get abortions. Kids sit on the couch all day playing homicidal video games, never lift a finger to exercise, eat nothing but potato chips and candy and big macs and junk food, and nobody bats an eye. But if anyone so much as hints that it’s OK for them to smoke, then there’s hell to pay. ."

    Here, here! ( or is it "hear, hear)?
     

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    I very much enjoyed reading your post, and agree with most of your points, though I might argue with your notion that PVs are a clear and unambiguous "step forward" in the history of tobacco/nicotine delivery systems (I don't buy into the myth of progress much anyway), in part because no human activity can ultimately be isolated apart from its role in culture, the ways in which what we do are embedded in myth and ritual in the context of a collective awareness of how the significance of such things become recognized and defined. PVs don't yet have an acknowledged cultural status on our social stage, and it's not at all clear that this will be allowed to ever become the case.

    The developed, post-industrial age world suffers from the virtually universal delusion that what something "is" can be revealed by a purely empirical analysis in a vacuum, which is both epistemologically narrow and ontologically wrong. On a political level, this prevailing empiricism functions to enable the designation of quick, knee-jerk tags such as "good", "bad", "right" or "wrong", providing an ever-ready justification for the oligarchic power blocs inherent in complex capital-driven social orders to proscribe this and prescribe that. The puritanical impulse to control human behavior by decree from the top-down has merely changed tactics, substituting the god of health science for the god of Abraham. But spiritually, it's the same people doing the same thing for the same reasons. Functionally, it's what the anthropologists call "the fear of contamination", exploited for the furtherance of economic and political control.

    I would opine that this civilization has no notion of what tobacco or nicotine means in the world, which is reflective of the broader catastrophic dysfunctional engagement humankind currently has with the natural ecosystems of the earth and its estrangement from the other plants and animals who live here. Anyone who's truly interested might want to, say, read Black Elk Speaks, and try to understand the meaning of the Lakota story of how the pipe came to the people.

    I, too, have often used the driving analogy in discussing these issues with others. The mainstream perception that a lone cigarette smoker hovering in a 5-story parking ramp is somehow singularly "harming the environment" in the context of the many hundreds of gas-guzzling/toxic fume-emitting vehicles moving in & out of the ramp every day can only be seen as a manifestation of socially-engineered collective insanity. There is no other way to look at it.
     

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    I thought I enjoyed cigarettes. I used to tell people I loved smoking. The reality is I am very addicted to nicotine. Not everyone who smokes has the same level or type of addiction. Someone who smokes 10 cigarettes a day is going to have a different viewpoint on smoking than a chain-smoker. I had my first cigarette at 11 and was addicted by high school. I liked Marlboro Reds, but ultimately would smoke anything depending on what I had or could afford. I was constantly getting colds and bronchitis and having them linger for weeks.
    By 20, I would wake up with an old lady smoker's voice. I didn't think the smell of smoke was a problem because I was always smoking and thus never really could notice it unless I left the house for several hours.

    Now I that I have used a PV, I can smell smoke. When my mother sends food over from her house, I can smell AND taste smoke in the food. I had no idea just how much it permeates everything. I would never tell her or offend her, but the smell is all over the place now.
    I had a cold last month. It was my first since switching to vaping, which means I was long overdue by my old standards. I got ready for the absolute hell a cold would bring - bronchitis and a sinus infection as secondary complications and 2 or more weeks of symptoms.
    I was better in FIVE days. I didn't lose my voice. I didn't get bronchitis. I didn't want to peel my face off so I could scratch my irritated sinuses. I was amazed.

    Smokers are not lepers and they have every right to do as they please. People who come up to smokers who are out in open air are way out of line and still tick me off. Family friends who remark to some of my family members that their cars stink or borrowed items stink disgust me. I absolutely agree that shame-based tactics that have taken over are insane. I can't agree, though, that tobacco is a wonderful thing. I did enjoy trying out different tobaccos when I went to RYO for awhile, but ultimately they all stank up a room the same way, left ashes everywhere, and burned holes in clothes and furniture. Smoking is filthy. Unfortunately, without a PV, I would go back to it in a heartbeat. YMMV.
     

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    In my opinion, this is worth a sticky on the top of the list - it's THAT good. Also in my opinion, it's your loss, gthompson... I may not agree with everything, but this perfectly captures the essence of what some of us feel. It is definitely a cultural act...

    I smoked for nearly 40 years, anywhere from 1-2 packs a day. Most of that time it was disgusting to me, but I was addicted so terribly I could never stop. It was a rare cigarette that even tasted good for most of those years. I find nothing culturally enhancing in the habit. I suspect that I, and most of us that are in my same position, are already dead because of it and just don't know it. I've ranted and raved at my children their whole lives not to do it.

    It does not symbolize leisure, relaxation, fortitude, success, amorousness, nonchalance, or defiance. It is not glamorous. It is a filthy, disgusting habit that kills us and our loved ones. Cigarettes are a carefully engineered device designed to addict us and then kill us. Praise them all you want, I'll never agree.
     

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    I smoked for nearly 40 years, anywhere from 1-2 packs a day. Most of that time it was disgusting to me, but I was addicted so terribly I could never stop. It was a rare cigarette that even tasted good for most of those years. I find nothing culturally enhancing in the habit. I suspect that I, and most of us that are in my same position, are already dead because of it and just don't know it. I've ranted and raved at my children their whole lives not to do it.

    It does not symbolize leisure, relaxation, fortitude, success, amorousness, nonchalance, or defiance. It is not glamorous. It is a filthy, disgusting habit that kills us and our loved ones. Cigarettes are a carefully engineered device designed to addict us and then kill us. Praise them all you want, I'll never agree.

    Bingo!

    OP, you realize this is a harm reduction sight, correct? Why in the World would you come on here and glorify tobacco to a bunch of ex-smokers that have switched to vaping? Mostly for health reasons, I might add. I smell your troll. If you really think tobacco is so wonderful, please, go back to it.

    Your OP is ....ing insane.:facepalm::rolleyes:
     

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    I smoked for nearly 40 years, anywhere from 1-2 packs a day. Most of that time it was disgusting to me, but I was addicted so terribly I could never stop. It was a rare cigarette that even tasted good for most of those years. I find nothing culturally enhancing in the habit. I suspect that I, and most of us that are in my same position, are already dead because of it and just don't know it. I've ranted and raved at my children their whole lives not to do it.

    It does not symbolize leisure, relaxation, fortitude, success, amorousness, nonchalance, or defiance. It is not glamorous. It is a filthy, disgusting habit that kills us and our loved ones. Cigarettes are a carefully engineered device designed to addict us and then kill us. Praise them all you want, I'll never agree.
    Let's agree to disagree... I liked it, and would still do it if it wouldn't kill me. It stinks and I'll never go back to it, god willing, but I do believe that it does have a little bit of that successful cultural symbolism to it. I could never reply with the eloquence that the OP wrote the original post did, but it did touch me. Peace out - love you, man... :)
     
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