The FDA will NOT Ban E-cigarettes

[WomanOfHeart]

That's not a stupid noob question. It really is a good point, and it's a question I've asked myself. The only answer I can think of is that the FDA and Big tobacco aren't interested in what is largely regarded as "paraphernalia." They want to find a way to regulate and tax the nicotine juice. They see e-cigs the same way they see the nicotine patch or gum. The problem is in how to regulate e-cigs. They would have to figure out how to not only regulate the hardware and the nicotine juice, but also the flavoring, propylene glycol and vegetable glycerin. The last three items are common things used in other applications and easily acquired at your local grocer or hobby store.

 

[iJax]

This may seem like a noob question but I have to ask, what is the difference between an e-cigarette and any pipe I can get at any "head shop"? Honestly, aren't they both "drug distribution devices"? Aren't they both classified as "devices that distribute nicotine"? Yes, I know that isn't what many of these pipes are used for but, that is why they can sell pipes!

The juices with nicotine may be regulated but, I don't see much issue for the e-cigs.

Pipes are not medical devices because tobacco is not medicine. If the E-cig world NEVER EVER said e-cigs helped a person quit smoking, then the FDA could never had said, "E-cigs are a medical device".

 

[Magus86]

Nobody ever said that e-cigs were medicine, and I don't see most companies claiming that it will help you quit smoking. Then again, I'm not really looking for it. Regardless, because of the laws in place, they should be giving hell to those who are making those claims, not trying to shut down the entire industry because of a few "bad apples," and besides that, there should be NO reason why there is such a law that prohibits people making claims that are 100% true about products that can help you live healthier but aren't FDA approved drugs(vitamin/mineral supplements, certain fruits and veggies, etc) in the first place. I think that's a crock of .....

I don't want this stuff regulated at all. Don't think for one second that FDA regulations are going to make anything safer. Look at all the bull.... they allow the pharmaceutical industry to push on us every single day. Have any of you ever heard of Coumadin/Warfarin Sodium? It's a "medicine" that they give to people with high blood pressure. It thins out your blood. Its original use was RAT POISON. It makes rats unable to stop bleeding, so it basically causes anemia(I think that's the right one).

Even if they actually made it safer(it's not unsafe in the first place, so that's just stupid), they're definitely going to restrict flavors. A big part of why I like PVs is that I can get any flavor imaginable. They taste amazing. Analogs taste like .... And if the FDA regulates this, all of our juices will taste like ... too because the "for the children" nazis will have a field day, claiming our flavors are there only to entice kids into smoking. You won't be able to buy a 30ml bottle for any price less than what a carton of cigarettes costs. They'll do everything in their power to make e-cigs not cost effective, and it wouldn't surprise me one bit for them to change the formula of juice so that it actually does cause harm. The FDA and the government needs to stay the hell out of our lives and let us make our own ....... decisions. I don't need a mommy and daddy, I already have those, and the government does a ....ty job of EVERYTHING except causing pain, suffering, confusion, and anger anyway.

 

[cryptkeeper197]

hehehe, If they keep with that medical device argument they are going to have a hard time taxing it. That won't last. Also it is a fact that if you switch to e-cigs for good, you have quit smoking. There fore you can quick smoking effectively using them. You have not broken your nicotine addiction, thats all.

Study will be done at some point to see if stepping done your nicotine level in your juice is more effective at breaking the nicotine habit, than other methods.

 

[LordDavon]

Pipes are not medical devices because tobacco is not medicine. If the E-cig world NEVER EVER said e-cigs helped a person quit smoking, then the FDA could never had said, "E-cigs are a medical device".

That just means that the FDA can fine/shut down any shop selling e-cigs as a smoking cessation aid. It doesn't stop the sale of e-cigs. It only stops them as being sold as a cessation aid.

 

[LordDavon]

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You make some excellent points. I agree with many of them.

You are correct, the FDA is mostly ranting that e-cig carts are unsafe because they aren't FDA regulated. Here is a .......ized sum of what the FDA is basically saying, "Without FDA regulation, there is no knowing what is in an e-cig cart". This could be solved with the FDA mandating that ALL ingredients are posted on the packages and random testing of products. They could also stop importation of e-cig products that don't also comply to these regulations. To bad it is never that easy with the FDA!

 

[LordDavon]

Study will be done at some point to see if stepping done your nicotine level in your juice is more effective at breaking the nicotine habit, than other methods.

The funny part is, how many people quit smoking from nicotine gum and get hooked on the gum?! That IS a smoking cessation aid and, well, people aren't smoking!

The FDA would have to prove that vapor is still smoke. Sad part is, it actually might not be too hard for that fight though. Smoke is actually defined as (from Merriam Webster) "a suspension of particles in a gas". As much as vapor is not smoke, it may be a hard battle legally.

 

[LordDavon]

As well, here is another definition of Smoke, "fume or vapor often resulting from the action of heat on moisture".

From: Smoke - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

This means that all of the people who have signature lines about how they are "smoke free" now, are only adding fuel to the fire.

 

[mauzey]

I can see that the delivery devices them selves should not be a problem, it's the liquid(juice) that has the potiential to be regulated to death. The Government can and probably will make the manufacuring of smoke juice very expensive, no more backroom brew if you will. To be approved for manufacturing there is ISO9000.XX environments, and a lot of equipment, to do things like make sure your juice tastes the same everytime, no more pipettes and 3 drops of this and 2 drops of that. There will be the inevitable branding that will take over as soon as the lawyers get involved, someone is going to start patenting stuff all over the place. I can see the end of the nice community, craftsmenship, and the all around DIY fun of creating juice and making a saving money at the same time.
I myself would like my juice to be free from harmfull chemicals, and taste the same everytime I order the same thing, but the FDA is never a good way to get that to happen, with them the highest bidder is the winner.

J~

 

[JTG123]

Im pretty sure that until there are peer-reviewed studies publishing findings that in fact support the idea that they are "smoking cessation aids", there is no real proof that it does so, in which case you cant really use that as a reason to tax it...

Or possibly somehow get it into a "supplement" category, where it would not be regulated by FDA? IDK either way, the ability to buy flavoed liquid nicotines will always exist, although it may be in a more underground market than it is now. DIY may be the way to go.

 

[raidy]

We have the same problems in Germany. I believe, there is a tobacco mafia in behind.

 

[TL1000RSquid]

I can see that the delivery devices them selves should not be a problem, it's the liquid(juice) that has the potiential to be regulated to death. The Government can and probably will make the manufacuring of smoke juice very expensive, no more backroom brew if you will. To be approved for manufacturing there is ISO9000.XX environments, and a lot of equipment, to do things like make sure your juice tastes the same everytime, no more pipettes and 3 drops of this and 2 drops of that. There will be the inevitable branding that will take over as soon as the lawyers get involved, someone is going to start patenting stuff all over the place. I can see the end of the nice community, craftsmenship, and the all around DIY fun of creating juice and making a saving money at the same time.
I myself would like my juice to be free from harmfull chemicals, and taste the same everytime I order the same thing, but the FDA is never a good way to get that to happen, with them the highest bidder is the winner.

J~

Thats how I figure it will play out they'll tax and regulate the .... out of the nic juice not the e-cigs themselves.

 

[TL1000RSquid]

We have the same problems in Germany. I believe, there is a tobacco mafia in behind.

How is it regulated in Germany? Just the juice or they regulate all the hardware too?

 

[JonnyVapΣ]

I have issue with calling PVs a "drug delivery device". What about those who don't use nicotine? The wife and a few friends don't use any nicotine at all. Only flavorings. Where's the drug delivery?

 

[irefine]

I don't think the government will ever be able to effectively ban e-cigs because it is mainly an internet based industry which is very hard to control. Worst case would be that we have to buy all of our supplies from overseas which many people do already.

 

[bshalaby]

You're right, they won't ban them but regulating them as a drug delivery device isn't good, either. The best hope we can have is that they will be classified as a tobacco product and then we can look forward to being taxed to the hilt.

Regulating them as a drug/device combination is equal to banning them. You would probably see them again on the market in five years and probably as a pfizer product.

 

[KissMint]

Need more studies on these pv/juices to show it is safer than cigs. I wish when e cig were introduced it came with some sort of "clinically tested". OR does it and I don't know about? What bothers me is that China invented these things and they are banned in HK. Can't sell 'em, can't export 'em. How bad can ecigs be when toxic toys and contaminated pet food can be exported? It would really help if the big manufacturers would spend some $$ and do studies on their product.
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I prefer calling ecigs PV than Electronic Nicotine Delivery Device (ENDD)

ENDD sorta cool...

 

[bshalaby]

Thats how I figure it will play out they'll tax and regulate the .... out of the nic juice not the e-cigs themselves.

You will end up with a massive black market and a home brewing economy, everyone will bbe out buying pipettes and fractional distillation funnels. IT is very difficult to do this with the raw ingredients (Tobacco) so readily avaialable on the market.

 

[PoliticallyIncorrect]

You will end up with a massive black market and a home brewing economy, everyone will bbe out buying pipettes and fractional distillation funnels. IT is very difficult to do this with the raw ingredients (Tobacco) so readily avaialable on the market.

I imagine it possible that Mexican drug cartels would add nic juice to their current product line--but the cost would, of course, soar into the stratosphere.

Just how many people would be willing to set up clandestine distillery operations in their garage is questionable at best.

 

[irefine]

Making juice is the easy part, no distillation is needed. Also, the battery part is easy as all the mod makers have shown. The hardest part would be getting or making reliable atomizers.