The glue in cigarette paper

[TennDave]

Was doing a search (not necessarily about this topic) and ran across this article. Fire safe cigarettes create even more lung damage
No comments were left about e-cigs when the only alternatives offered to escape the "glue" that adds harm to cigarettes was either quit or switch to roll-your-own. I thought that some comments regarding e-cigs would be appropriate here.

I tried to leave this but couldn't get the posting on the site to work (maybe you can):
Smokers have been demonized enough and to add insult to injury the gov doesn't care about them- "let them die of inhaling carpet glue too? So disgusting. Anyway, I switched to e-cigs and that has worked for me for over a year and a half. My coughing went away, I can run now and do things I never thought possible- this was after smoking 2 packs of camels a day for 30 years. So there are alternatives for those who have tried and tried like me (I didn't try the garlic) with conventional methods and FDA approved pharmaceutical methods. Certainly, I'm not inhaling carpet glue or other chemicals and there isn't a danger of burning down my house with an e-cig.

 

[Petrodus]

FSC is a sore subject with me.

I remember (years ago) Illinois passed a law that all cigs sold in the
state had to be FSC. Smokers drove to Missouri to buy cigarettes
that were not FSC. They complained of headaches and various
illnesses from smoking Fire Safe Cigarettes. Illinois started to loose
so much tax that they put cops on the highway to try and catch
smokers bringing in cigarettes bought in Missouri.

Later, I couldn't find any cigarettes that were not FSC.

I remember the weird taste and headaches.

Of course ... smokers are "Sub-creatures" with absolutely No Rights.
No one really cares if smokers get sick or die ... What's important
is cigarettes going out within 60 seconds. They could have added
Rat Poison to force cigarettes to go out quickly and that would
have been just fine with "Smokey the Bear" and non-smokers.

PS: Dave ... I didn't try posting your comments because I didn't
know if others were going to do the same ending up with several
dupe posts.

All Nanny State Lovers can just go follow the Lemming trail

 

[Vocalek]

Here is a recent Journal Article on the topic: http://tobaccocontrol.bmj.com/content/21/3/337.abstract?sid=2608ec0b-c274-43c9-b66c-ffb6f81c6727

Results A total of 620 Massachusetts smokers completed the baseline survey conducted prior to implementation of the law, and 353 (57%) completed the follow-up survey conducted after implementation. No significant changes were found in self-reported fire-risk behaviour or quitting intentions. In addition, smokers were less likely to report smoking greater than 20 cigarettes per day and inhaling deeply into the chest after the law.

Conclusions The introduction of RIP cigarettes in Massachusetts yielded little change, and no adverse effect, on self-reported smoker response, among a sample of mostly Caucasian smokers.

I just love how researchers draw conclusions based on their own confirmation bias. It never struck them that the fact that smokers reduced the number of cigarettes smoked and were not inhaling as deeply might indicate that there was something about those cigarettes that smokers found unappealing. And it never occurred to them that perhaps smokers were reacting in self-defense against something harmful going on....

 

[TennDave]

Yes, amazing how conclusions can be skewed.
Reminds me of the "children" and how they "might" use flavored e-juice to go on to smoking real cigs.
Conclusions....Contusions....

 

[Petrodus]

Yea ...
The notion that kids will become addicted to high priced e-cigs
then later move to the cheaper dangerous tobacco cigarettes
defies all logic.

Those with this logic should also go follow the Lemming trail

 

[Kurt]

The fire-safe cigarette was one of the reasons I knew I had to switch to something else...just didn't know what at the time, other than lozenges.

Here is what I perceived from the new won't-stay-lit cigs. If a cig keeps burning naturally between drags, then the amount that you actually ingest from smoking a whole cig is less than if that cig burns very little between drags.

Sort of like listening to a song, and thinking about how much of the song you actually hear. The old cigs were more like you start the song and it keeps playing. Every 30 seconds or so you turn the sound on and hear the song bit, but much of the song is still going on without you actually hearing it.

New cigs are like pressing pause on the song when you are not listening to it, and pressing it again to hear a little bit, then repeat. You end up hearing much more of the song. And you end up ingesting much more of that new cig than you did before.

This is all completely independent of the chemicals and their effect. I would expect that the blood of someone who just smoked a fire-safe cig would be much higher in nicotine and tar compounds and CO, than the blood of someone who just smoked one of the old cigs that just keep burning between drags, all else being constant. Not an easy experiment, for sure, but I always felt this was the main reason I always felt so toxic after a fire-safe cig, besides the chemicals doing it.

 

[NorthOfAtlanta]

Here is a recent Journal Article on the topic: Smokers' self-reported responses to the introduction of reduced ignition propensity (RIP) cigarettes -- Seidenberg et al. 21 (3): 337 -- Tobacco Control





I just love how researchers draw conclusions based on their own confirmation bias. It never struck them that the fact that smokers reduced the number of cigarettes smoked and were not inhaling as deeply might indicate that there was something about those cigarettes that smokers found unappealing. And it never occurred to them that perhaps smokers were reacting in self-defense against something harmful going on....

They don't really care about smokers health, if they did harm reduction would be there number one priority not proving that there might be a danger to smokers from a chemical that interferes with oxidation the main source of energy for the body. This should work out well, 40 million plus guinea pigs in the US inhaling some form of fire ......ant that has been heated to 700 deg C+. I wonder what new and fun compounds that will create in combination with the 4000+ chemicals already there.

 

[Petrodus]

Interesting video ...
Not everyone will find it of interest or find anything not previously known
However ... Interesting to hear about mainstream media lying about other
healthy products other than e-cigs

 

[dagnagan]

The thing I hated about those cigarettes, at least the Camels I was smoking, was that if I happened to draw on the cigarette when the fire hit that band of glue or whatever, embers would fly off and land on my shirt, my sofa, my car seat... Never before in fifty years of smoking had I burned little holes in my clothing or anything else, but because of that "safety" feature, I still have visible evidence of the Evil Cigarette around.

 

[Petrodus]

The thing I hated about those cigarettes, at least the Camels I was smoking, was that if I happened to draw on the cigarette when the fire hit that band of glue or whatever, embers would fly off and land on my shirt, my sofa, my car seat... Never before in fifty years of smoking had I burned little holes in my clothing or anything else, but because of that "safety" feature, I still have visible evidence of the Evil Cigarette around.

Yea ... I remember the lit end falling off also.
Another example of no one caring about "sub-human" smokers.

 

[IronAP]

A little off topic but I work in the paper industry. Not sure about cig paper but if you hav ever been in a paper mill, you would never put paper in your mouth.

 

[Petrodus]

When I was in my early 20's I lived in on a hill about 2 miles from a paper mill.
I still remember during the summer when the wind would change to our direction.
The smell would choke a horse.

 

[Kurt]

Petrodus, I am so glad you posted that video. Truth will out! Nice to see someone else seeing through the Matrix.

 

[Petrodus]

Petrodus, I am so glad you posted that video. Truth will out! Nice to see someone else seeing through the Matrix.

Since you enjoyed the video ...
Here's a website you will find of interest: Click Here

 

[rothenbj]

Personally, FSC cigarettes convinced me to quit smoking. We got them in PA and I started coughing and wheezing at night. Started buying in VA, coughing and wheezing went away. Then VA went FSC and I found E Cigs and this forum. win win

 

[Vocalek]

A little off topic but I work in the paper industry. Not sure about cig paper but if you hav ever been in a paper mill, you would never put paper in your mouth.

I think I know what you are talking about. I have never been inside a paper mill, but driving past Chillicothe, OH I asked, "What is that Godawful stench?" I was told it was the paper factory. The odor is hard to describe. It smells kind of like....vomit.

 

[rothenbj]

There's a town in PA, Tyrone, that you could be blind and know where you are.

A comment I found on a search-

"Occasionally, I can even smell it here in Frankin...seriously, I can. I do know my papermill smells since my Grandparent's lived in Tyrone, PA which smelled 24/7, until the late 80's. Actually, because I spent so much time at my Grandparent's, I actually LOVE the smell!"

I guess you had to live there.

 

[Petrodus]

Anyone ever drive down a country gravel road on the hottest day of the year
and pass a pig farm?? That smell is like perfume compared to a paper factory !!

 

[IronAP]

The chicken farm is pretty bad too.

 

[Kurt]

Since you enjoyed the video ...
Here's a website you will find of interest: Click Here

Been a fan of NHN for a long time now. Also Life Extension. The PTB want us to feel like criminals for being healthy without pharma control. How long until that is actually illegal? Most are too dumbed down or drugged up to see it coming.