The Lemo RTA: A Build With Pics

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DHolly

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    Awesome tutorial, PERFECT timing (for me) and explains why mines leaking!!
    As you determined from my other post my clear o-ring was on the bottom of the glass not the metal and it wasn't sealing properly!

    I've only had the Lemo for 24 hours and it's my first rta. Getting the wire under the screws "in under" position took some time but I've since watched a few vids and got the scoop on that. I wrapped 28 kanthal around a 1/16 drill bit 8 or 9 times lol, and got a 1.2 ohms.

    Loving the machine screw coil, it took me a second but I'm following it now, nice!

    Thank you so much!
     
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    horton

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    Great tutorial and pics, MidwestGuy. You leave nothing to the imagination which is excellently how tutorial should be. Out of curiosity, what kind of camera and lens do you use?
    Thanks for showing your methodology -- I'm going to try the cut you describe that leaves the shoulders. Interesting idea. :toast:
     

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    Great tutorial and pics, MidwestGuy. You leave nothing to the imagination which is excellently how tutorial should be. Out of curiosity, what kind of camera and lens do you use?
    Thanks for showing your methodology -- I'm going to try the cut you describe that leaves the shoulders. Interesting idea. :toast:

    Thanks @horton ! This was shot in poor lighting conditions with a Sony NEX-6 mirrorless using my prime lens, a Sony SEL35F18 35mm f/1.8. Turned out OK even with horrid lightning. I need a new desk lamp :D
     

    RedheadedBStarD

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    Using a poo-load of knowledge from this thread over the last several months, I figured I'd share those results with my current go-to build. I've been using a variation of this for the last two months, with small refinements to help with wicking.

    This is a Ni200 build for DNA40 devices, though I would imagine variations of this will work very nicely with standard Kanthal builds. I am using 30AWG, with 8 wraps around an M4 (left-hand threaded) screw which gives me an inner diameter of approximately 3.2mm and a final resistance of .20ohms every time. If I don't get .20ohms, I immediately check my connections, as I've found the Lemo to provide a consistent and solid connection every time if everything is done right (and as long as the insulator disc is flipped, see below).

    First, break it all down and clean it all up. If you haven't "flipped your disc" yet, you may want to do so. What we're doing here is flipping the "disc" insulator around from it's standard factory configuration. You'll notice this piece has an indentation on one side ... rather than facing down, you want it facing up. This provides a tighter connection between the lower base/510 connection and the deck. Note that this may introduce a minor "gap" between the knurling on the base and the metal on the outer deck. It's hardly noticeable to me, but others may be more sensitive to it. I prefer the better performance of this configuration over anything else. Below is a photo of the "disc" insulator I'm referring to.

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    Next, re-assemble the deck. Tighten the center post / positive pin well. Sometimes when tightening, it will "spin" the positive upper deck (along with the insulator housing it) out of alignment. In order to prevent this, I use some standard pliers to hold both the upper negative/upper positive decks together tightly while tightening the positive pin. Minor adjustments are OK, just make sure that positive pin is good-n-tight.

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    Next, wrap the coil. I use a left-hand-threaded machine screw (M4) with a homemade jig, one end of the wire tight around a mounting point on my jig (the screw you see in the photo), and the other end of the wire clamped (I use vice grips) to a solid object with the wire at the clamp point wrapped around a piece of garden hose gasket to keep it nice and tight/prevent the vice grips from simply cutting or flattening the soft Ni200 wire. Keeping constant tension, turn the tool to wrap the coil. After wrapping the coil on the jig, cut the wire (leaving enough lead length), and remove it from the jig. I then spin the coil back on to a second left-hand-threaded M4 machine screw in order to prepare for mounting. Before mounting, I typically pull the leads nice and tight just to make sure there is no slack and the coil is still very tight around the screw. Below is a photo of my home-made jig made from an old laundry basket handle (why not?)

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    Next, mount the coil. Nothing to tricky about this, except 30AWG Ni200 is easy to break, don't tighten too much or it will snap and you will inevitably curse. Ready to mount the coil:

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    Photo of mounted coil:

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    For my (roughly) 3.2mm inner diameter 8 wrap coil, I take a 4mm x 40mm piece of KGD cotton and strip the harder outer pieces off, leaving just the fluffy center. There is a bit of debate on this; some claim it's OK to leave the outside on (would have to cut the piece smaller, probably 2-3mm). I find that if I remove the outer / denser layers, I get less popping and the fluffy cotton "fills" the coil a little better. Here I am removing one of the outer layers:

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    Pinch and roll one end, and pull on through. There should be very little resistance.

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    I like to trim to just inside the outer diameter of the Lemo base, shown here:

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    Now, the part that has greatly enhanced my wicking properties and has allowed me to vape at much higher wattages: Take some off the top! I was previously using way too much cotton, both through the coil and at the wick ends. I cut at an upward angle from the ends of the wick up to just in front of the beginning of the coil, leaving prominent shoulders. I find thinning out the ends helps deliver liquid faster to the coil, and also cutting from the top as explained helps to keep the cotton away from the juice channels.

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    Next, juice it up:

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    Gently lower the wick ends to brush the top of the lower deck. I use a precision micro flathead to do this. It's difficult to see in this photo, but the juice channels and threads are 100% clear and the wick is actually curling inward a bit towards the insulator. The wick is touching the smooth portion of the deck only (with maybe a small portion touching the bottom of the insulator).

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    Next, bridge the wicks using @WeirdWillie bridging method. Still not exactly sure how/why this works so well, but my primary reasoning is for enhanced/richer/deeper flavor notes. It also seems to help keep the coil well-fed.

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    Now comes another very important part: leak prevention. I lubricate all of the seals with e-liquid, and pay special attention to the chimney seal. Photos to explain, first up: lubricating the lower clear ring:

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    Now, lubricate the slot for the black chimney o-ring:

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    Install the black chimney o-ring, make sure it's not twisted or bunched up anywhere. Then add more e-liquid (lubricant) to the o-ring:

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    Still paying attention to the chimney o-ring, I now test fit it and tighten/loosen a few times in order to make sure it's sealing well. It should feel smooth and well-lubricated when doing this. If it feels choppy, jumpy, or like it's "stretching" the rubber, add more e-liquid and try again. I've found this seal to be crucial to the overall successful operation of the Lemo.

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    Time to take care of the top cap ... insert the large clear ring, make sure it's seated properly and lubricate it with e-liquid as well:

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    I like to spin the glass on the newly lubricated seals in the top cap and the base before tightening down. In the following photo, I'm doing this on the top cap. Do it on the bottom as well.

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    Now, tighten everything up. Once everything is threaded and starting to get tight against the seals, give the glass a couple of more spins before one last final torque down. Not too tight. Your glass may even still be able to spin slightly with all that e-liquid lubrication (I typically tighten to just beyond the point of being able to spin the glass).

    That's about it. The rest is fill and vape. Be sure not to fill all the way: leave a bubble to support proper vacuum. Vape it hard a few times right after tightening everything down to build up some vacuum, you should eventually see some bubbles coming up immediately after each pull which indicates things are working properly. Enjoy!

    Why use a left hand threaded screw instead of a right hand one? Just curious.
     

    jcmcphail

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    I to use 4mm machine screw for my spaced coils, I have been searching for left-handed threaded M4 but have been unable to find them. RedheadedBStarD if you could post a link to your source I would deeply appreciate it. As far as the reason for left-handed threads, it leaves the legs in proper position to tighten under screws clockwise instead of counter clock wise, eliminating some of the difficulty in wire not being forced out when tighting down wires. I now use right handed threads which work OK for legs through the Lemos post holes.
     

    MidwestGuy

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    I found mine on McMaster-Carr, http://www.mcmaster.com/nav/enter.asp?partnum=90605A007

    Pricey, but worth it to me as I get a perfect coil every time. Strategic googling may be able to assist in finding a cheaper option. I think you can buy "rods" from McMaster as well that are far cheaper. I wasn't able to find any other options at the time which is why I paid the premium for these.
     

    TheKiwi

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    Hey Midwestguy! Does M4 mean that the threads diameter is 4mm, or would the coil itself have a inner diameter of 4mm? I can't remember how the screws are spec'ed out

    ETA: ah never saw the diagram and it's the former. So your inner diameter would be somewhere around 3.8ish I reckon.

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    MidwestGuy

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    Hey Midwestguy! Does M4 mean that the threads diameter is 4mm, or would the coil itself have a inner diameter of 4mm? I can't remember how the screws are spec'ed out

    ETA: ah never saw the diagram and it's the former. So your inner diameter would be somewhere around 3.8ish I reckon.

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    Howdy Kiwi! I'm not sure how exactly the specs are written and the terms that are used to describe them. Regardless, all of the various M4 screws I've used provide me with a ~3.2mm ID coil when using 30AWG wire. It may provide slight variations based on gauge, thicker wire wouldn't be able to sink as far down in to the threads so the ID may be a couple hundredths of a mm larger on the ID.
     

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    Like many others have said, wow, this is good. I got mine last weekend, and the flavor is the best i've had in my past year of many different devices. I cannot get over how good the flavor is.

    As i read others just filled it and vaped, I did the same. Stock coil and cotton, just a fantastic vape. I only decided to change the cotton as i was feeling, it should be due after 4-6 refills. I kept the stock coil, and put rayon cotton in it's place. I put a bit more rayon than i would cotton, and a piece going around (nest). It vapes fine, but does not have as good a flavor as the cotton it came with. Being new to rayon, I'll blame me, as I'm not sure of how much to use. Thinking i am a tad on the to much side. I really want the rayon to work out as so many say it outlasts cotton. This will equal taking it apart less often to change it.

    I saw it asked many many pages back, but can't recall the answer. This comes with Kanthal I think, but what gauge is it and diameter of stock coil ?. Best guess be fine with me.
     

    horton

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    Like many others have said, wow, this is good. I got mine last weekend, and the flavor is the best i've had in my past year of many different devices. I cannot get over how good the flavor is.
    As i read others just filled it and vaped, I did the same. Stock coil and cotton, just a fantastic vape. I only decided to change the cotton as i was feeling, it should be due after 4-6 refills. I kept the stock coil, and put rayon cotton in it's place. I put a bit more rayon than i would cotton, and a piece going around (nest). It vapes fine, but does not have as good a flavor as the cotton it came with. Being new to rayon, I'll blame me, as I'm not sure of how much to use. Thinking i am a tad on the to much side. I really want the rayon to work out as so many say it outlasts cotton. This will equal taking it apart less often to change it.
    I saw it asked many many pages back, but can't recall the answer. This comes with Kanthal I think, but what gauge is it and diameter of stock coil ?. Best guess be fine with me.

    Maybe I shouldn't admit this lest peeps think I'm a complete slob, but I just realized I hadn't changed one of my Lemo cotton wicks in ~2 weeks.:facepalm::oops: The flavor was slightly muted which is what made me start to try and remember when it was last changed. I realized I had somehow left it out of "the rotation" and kept filling it with the same juice. I honestly was amazed the wick lasted so long and tasted pretty darn good until just the last day or so. Nothing fancy with the wick.... just the cotton ball that came with the Lemo used generously in the "bow tie" type of wick.
    These devices impress me more and more each day. They may be a little heavy on the juice usage, but I don't mind since I DIY. I just tried my first <1Ω coil @ .8Ω and am amazed at how good the flavor is. Fantastic device the Lemo is and at a very good price. :toast:
     

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    now that we are being completely honest here, I'll confess too, i refilled it more like 8-10 times :ohmy:
    and then changed it only because I thought it should be due. My new rayon wick is not giving me in flavor what my week old stock one was.
    I have a sneaking feeling that the wicks will last much longer than conventional thinking BUT there surely is a subtle degradation of flavor quality the older it gets till finally it tastes like overly used athletic socks. I don't mean to imply that we should go months between wick changes, but I have found I can go 2 or 3 times longer than I did say 6 months ago. Maybe the newness is wearing off and I'm getting complacent or maybe my taste buds aren't working as well as they used to but it's just an observation not new dogma.
    Vape on brothers and sisters have a great weekend.....:toast:
     

    Bored2Tears

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    Yeah, I'm changing wicks about every 10 ml. Guess my juices are dirty . I'm amazed though now that I have the IPV mini 2, I am running at about 18 watts, where I could previously only run at 12 on an istick. I was always wondering how everyone could push 20 watts ore more on single coils. Now I realize how much higher the power was on that istick.
     
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