The Media and Mind

[Tinkiegrrl]

I've seen a lot of posts here recently, from people stating that their relatives suddenly started having negative physical effects from vapor after watching or reading negative media stories on e-cigarettes. Is it really that easy to affect people? I find that to be particularly scary and troubling. Why would a few negative pieces on e-cigarettes have such a powerful effect on some people? This is something that I have never experienced, nor have those around me experienced this. I've heard stories of something similar on other debated health issues as well. After reading or watching a news stories of the rising rates of certain allergies, I often hear of people suddenly developing that allergy and then we have a new diet fad. What is behind this? Certainly there may be cases of some people who suddenly recognize symptoms that they weren't able to place before, but some of these conditions were/are rare, and many scientists agree that many of the people who start to claim that they have it, actually do not. If the average human can be so easily... brainwashed?, what chance do we have in this battle? Is this actually a common thing to happen, or is this just a case of the types of people this happens to wind up being some of the louder people? Is it part of the human desire to be part of something? Some instinctual thing that physically pushes someone to be part of the herd, without any real knowledge or thought on the subject? How many people are affected by this, as opposed to those who aren't? How many people will WE need to convince that the cough that they suddenly developed overnight is all in their head, and is that even possible?

 

[mostlyclassics]

Tinkiegrrl, smokers — and now including us vapers — are the undesirable uncleans. We're a clearly identifiable minority, so it's easy to single us out for hysterical hatred and shunning. And we're not an ethnic or religious group, so there's no anti-discrimination law protecting us.

As is the case with those singled out, it's all too easy for the self-appointed masters to brainwash the masses against us. For instance, sizeable number of Muslim children have been taught in school that Jews capture and kill Muslim children in order to grind them up and bake them into Purim cookies. We vapers are just getting the same treatment.

 

[Tinkiegrrl]

I guess what i'm asking is this: Is stupidity so rampant that it's affecting media, government, etc... or is it that the media and government is creating the stupid? I was trying to be less insulting. I do know of one person something similar to this happened to. My 8 year old son woke up convinced he had a parasite after reading about them in school. He had a nightmare that night and woke up thinking the nightmare was true. Some research and a more complete education on how one gets a parasite and the symptoms was able to convince him he didn't have one, but he's 8 years old....

 

[Tinkiegrrl]

Tinkiegrrl, smokers — and now including us vapers — are the undesirable uncleans. We're a clearly identifiable minority, so it's easy to single us out for hysterical hatred and shunning. And we're not an ethnic or religious group, so there's no anti-discrimination law protecting us.

As is the case with those singled out, it's all too easy for the self-appointed masters to brainwash the masses against us. For instance, sizeable number of Muslim children have been taught in school that Jews capture and kill Muslim children in order to grind them up and bake them into Purim cookies. We vapers are just getting the same treatment.

Just a good old case of stoning the sinners then? That manifests itself into physical conditions like coughing?

 

[mostlyclassics]

Exactly.

It's sad, but as long as the vast majority of people remain so gullible and suggestible, there's essentially no difference between the rulers of the Muslim world and the rulers of ours.

 

[vjc0628]

this is happening in many different subjects through the media not just vaping

and its getting much worse as of last few years

 

[mattiem]

I see it as a hypochondria virus. It is running rampant throughout the world and so far a cure hasn't been discovered for it

 

[Tinkiegrrl]

this is happening in many different subjects through the media not just vaping

and its getting much worse as of last few years

Exactly. Take the gluten free craze. Of course, too much is no good for you, but the numbers of people claiming to have an allergy to it is just not possible, and many are needlessly cutting it entirely from their diets, which is also not so good for you. They claim that they are experiencing symptoms of this allergy, but tests come back as negative. The "symptoms" begin after reading something, or watching something on TV about it. Why is this happening? Why are so many people suddenly having physical reactions to things after watching something on TV about it? I understand the desire to throw a stone at someone. I understand how children can be raised to hate. I don't understand how or why watching something on TV can elicit a physical manifestation of medical symptoms where before there were none.

 

[KODIAK (TM)]

Mrs. Kodiak has 3 college degrees and even *she* confronted me about my e-cig usage a few weeks back. Something she read on FaceBook no less! 8-o Well, let me tell all of you... *that* was a very long and ugly conversation. My own educated wife spewing ANTZ propaganda. Indeed. I had to actually put my beer down AND have a dialog with my wife for more than 5 minutes just to dispense with this nonsense!

And Tinkie... fix your thread title. The words "Media" and "Mind" just don't sit right together.

 

[Tinkiegrrl]

Mrs. Kodiak has 3 college degrees and even *she* confronted me about my e-cig usage a few weeks back. Something she read on FaceBook no less! 8-o Well, let me tell all of you... *that* was a very long and ugly conversation. My own educated wife spewing ANTZ propaganda. Indeed. I had to actually put my beer down AND have a dialog with my wife for more than 5 minutes just to dispense with this nonsense!

And Tinkie... fix your thread title. The words "Media" and "Mind" just don't sit right together.

I wonder what came first? Did the media dumb itself down to fit the minds, or did the minds dumb down due to the media?

 

[mostlyclassics]

I know some of you don't like Charles Krauthammer because of his conservative viewpoint, but here's one of his columns that's relatively non-political and describes the current situation quite well: Thought police on patrol
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[Tinkiegrrl]

I know some of you don't like Charles Krauthammer because of his conservative viewpoint, but here's one of his columns that's relatively non-political and describes the current situation quite well: Thought police on patrol
.

There is scientific data that backs that global warming is happening, and that human beings are part of the reason it is. There is no scientific data backing any claim that 2nd hand vapor is harmful to anyone. There's a difference there. I'm not saying liberals are perfect. We have our fair share of lunatics, just as any group does. As for people being fired for trying to ban two, consenting, adults from entering into a legal contract with each other that happens to be called marriage, and can be legally performed by a justice of the peace rather then a priest.... That's capitalism. Corporations are choosing to listen to the people who buy their products, or the people who advertise their products with them. I'm a little fuzzy myself on why those with religious beliefs should be allowed to force those religious beliefs on everyone in the country by demanding them made into law that even the non religious must live by, but that's another debate. I do wonder though... My marriage was purposely devoid of any religion. My husband isn't the same sex as I am, but since it didn't happen in a church, temple, mosque... and it wasn't officiated by a member of any church, does that count as a marriage, or do the people who are opposed to same sex marriage want to call that a civil union as well. Honest question. No one has ever answered that question for me....

 

[jimmytee]

I know some of you don't like Charles Krauthammer because of his conservative viewpoint, but here's one of his columns that's relatively non-political and describes the current situation quite well: Thought police on patrol
.

It's not because he's conservative. He is a bolshevik swine. The history of which is for another forum.

To tinkie's question... I have a family member who does not react to my vaping UNLESS I am using the cola or bubblegum flavour. I think some people do actually have real allergies to some of the flavouring components. She is fine with all the other flavors so far. Also there are people who , from what I have read here , react to the pg in juice. Whether there is any validity to claims of harm, my family member does, in fact, react in a way she finds alarming. I just switch to milk chocolate toffee and it's all ok.

 

[Tinkiegrrl]

It's not because he's conservative. He is a bolshevik swine. The history of which is for another forum.

To tinkie's question... I have a family member who does not react to my vaping UNLESS I am using the cola or bubblegum flavour. I think some people do actually have real allergies to some of the flavouring components. She is fine with all the other flavors so far. Also there are people who , from what I have read here , react to the pg in juice. Whether there is any validity to claims of harm, my family member does, in fact, react in a way she finds alarming. I just switch to milk chocolate toffee and it's all ok.

I get that there could be valid allergies. I'm talking about people who were previously okay, suddenly becoming not okay. As though their minds trick their bodies into having a reaction after a "scary" news clip about the new, big, bad, harmful thing that really has no scientific evidence of actually being harmful.