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[jpracing]

So, what you are saying to us laymen is that cigarette smoking has less chemicals than ejuice. Is that an accurate assumption on our part?

Quantity of chemicals in cigarette are less than 2%.Coming to cigarette smoke vs vapor(Or Mist) the actual chemical content in ecig vapor is much much higher compared to cigarette smoke.Cigarette smoke is harmful because it contains carcinogens, particulate matter(Tar etc) and carbon monoxide.Chemical additives are of little concern.About 90% of cigarette smoke is air, carbon dioxide and water and of the remaining 10% only co(Carbon monoxide) is in higher quantity(About 5%).reference for cigarette smoke analysis:Table A2. http://legacy.library.ucsf.edu/documentStore/k/e/c/kec34a00/Skec34a00.pdfRegarding the approved list of 599 plus additives.They are just that; approved list. Total chemical additives in cigarette are less than 0.05% if you disregard pg and vg added by some manufacturers like marlboro(Philip morris).

Coming to evapor; it contains from 10_30% pg or vg. A simple calculation can give minimum pg or vg concentration.Taking single puff as 35 ml and one ml of ejuice giving 200 puffs(This is actually unrealistically high estimate; the number of puffs) minimum 15% of vapor contains VG or Pg.

weight of 15 ml puff = 15mg Approx.

Total weight of 200 puffs 200 *15 mg =7 grams
weight of 1ml pg/vg = 1gram Approx.
percentage of vg/pg in a single puff= 1/7 *100 i.e 15%.

Since 1ml practically gives only 60-70 puffs one can see the vg/pg percentage going up to 40%.High voltage and manual devices obviously give still higher percentage vg/pg in vapor.If flavoring ingredients like pyrazines are taken in to account some eliquids(chinese) contain about 2% pyrazine while marlboro has less than 0.03% pyrazines(All variants).Most of the 8000 chemicals generated in cigarette smoke are in very small quantities.Number of chemicals in cigarette smoke is not the problem but the major harm delivered by a small percentage of carcinogens and Particulates.

 

[nopatch]

Alright, nopatch, riddle me this: why, after visiting the doctor following switching to pv for 6 months did I have such a remarkable checkup? Why do I no longer cough every day and WHY did I get through November and December and January without the annual Bronchitis that I have had for 3 months every year for the last 6 years?

There is nothing wrong in your observation.Your body apparently has no problem adjusting with eliquid ingredients.

Maybe you are just wrong. I believe in the little science experiment I conducted on my body for about 30 years and the one I started last April because I have medical proof. What on earth on you even here for if you think vaping is so bad?

My post is with regards to the chemicals.

 

[nopatch]

So, what you are saying to us laymen is that cigarette smoking has less chemicals than ejuice.

percentage wise,yes.

Is that an accurate assumption on our part?

It is not assumption on MY part.I provided the relevant data.Again this has no bearing on harm inflicted by cigarette smoking.Ejuice vapor doesnt have many of the harmful ingredients of cigarette smoke.Ejuice chemistry is entirely different.The only thing common is nicotine apart from Air inhaled.

 

[jpracing]

percentage wise,yes.



It is not assumption on MY part.I provided the relevant data.Again this has no bearing on harm inflicted by cigarette smoking.Ejuice vapor doesnt have many of the harmful ingredients of cigarette smoke.Ejuice chemistry is entirely different.The only thing common is nicotine apart from Air inhaled.

And, therefore, you are saying that there are less chemicals in cigarettes than in ejuice BUT vaping is better?
You see, we are confused as to where you stand simply because you have been at the forefront of saying that
there are less chemicals in cigarettes as a percentage.
That statement can be construed as defending cigarettes.
And then you answer that the data has no bearing on harm inflicted by cigarettes and that ejuice vapor does not have the
same harmful effects of cigarette smoke.
You go to great lengths to explain one side of the argument and then make a statement for the other side.
Confusing for us laymen. Wouldn't you agree?

 

[roadkillstewie]

It really comes across as obfusication...

I'd really like to know, NP why you feel that 'mist' is more accurate than 'vapor'....

 

[DaveP]

The key difference in vaping vs smoking is that particles of combustion entering the lungs lodge in the alveoli and impart chemicals to the lungs. Reports say that PG and VG mist droplets are too large to actually enter the air sacs and are easily ejected by the lungs. Cigarette smoke particles and tar are said to be difficult for the lungs to expel.

It really doesn't matter how many chemicals are produced by vaping or smoking, but it's significant that vaping employs some of the same methods used by pulmonary technicians to introduce medications to the lungs. If you have ever seen a "breathing treatment" given to a patient, you've seen vaping in action to deliver medication to the lungs. We use the same method to introduce nicotine into our system. Studies say that most of the nicotine is absorbed by the mucous membranes in our sinuses and mouth and much less by the lungs.

 

[dotma]

The key difference in vaping vs smoking is that particles of combustion entering the lungs lodge in the alveoli and impart chemicals to the lungs. Reports say that PG and VG mist droplets are too large to actually enter the air sacs and are easily ejected by the lungs. Cigarette smoke particles and tar are said to be difficult for the lungs to expel.

This is very interesting. Did not know this.

Nopatch, I am totally not trying to bust your balls here but like some of the other posters, I really honestly do not understand. I am totally open minded to hearing what you have to say, but I guess i dont really get what youre saying. Are you just saying that the statement that cigarettes has more chemicals than ecigs is false? Are you saying that cigarettes are safer than ecigs?

I love vaping, love it, and would be hard pressed to give it up and honestly i do feel that it is much better than smoking. But lets face it, we all know we are guinea pigs. When cigarettes first came out, everybody did it, i dont know if the bad effects were known at first, probably not. It is possible that down the road there could be some crazy thing in ecigs that makes us grow a third nipple, but I guess we wont know that for a while. In the meantime, though, I really like to have all the info I can have to make informed decisions.

Also, thank you everybody. The people on this forum are awesome!

 

[nopatch]

I only got a pair and intend to keep them for some time to come .

Are you just saying that the statement that cigarettes has more chemicals than ecigs is false?

Yep. and i think i said it in several different ways .

Are you saying that cigarettes are safer than ecigs?

No.

 

[mekks]

Thought this article would be of interest to those posting or reading this topic.

News Archive

*edit*
One more of interest
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/08/science/e-cigarettes-help-smokers-quit-but-they-have-some-unlikely-critics.html

 

[dotma]

Thanks Mekks, i like those articles!

 

[mekks]

One more link to their report

http://www.palgrave-journals.com/jphp/journal/v32/n1/pdf/jphp201041a.pdf