The mystery of models and brands

[Magnushawk]

So everytime I read this site, my head hurts like hell not from vaping but from all the lingo and the model numbers. The lingo I'll get used to as long as no one expects me to start shortening nouns by hacking off consonants.

These models though... does anyone know succinctly how many different models are out there? Do branded vaporizers like White Cloud, Premier, Diablo, Green Smoke, and ESmoke actually do anything different to their batteries or are they just repackaging (painting or changing the LEDs) on these 510s and 920s (or whatever)? How about atomizers? Same deal? Are there just set model numbers and that's why everyone talks in model numbers here?

Anyway, I haven't felt this much like a noob since my first time in a chat room on AOL. I forgot what a feeling it is! Appreciate any info. Enjoy!

 

[Jenn1181]

It can be a bit overwhelming at first. I remember when I first got into wanting a big battery mod the information on various batteries was mind numbing. Not being especially tech-savvy put me at a tremendous disadvantage overall.

When it comes to vendors and models the numbers typically refer to atomizers rather than batteries. For example, the Yeti, Titan, Joye, DuraC, Volcano Magma, etc. all have 510 connections. 510 connectors will also accommodate a 306 atomizer, which has an exposed bridge. Then you have the KR808 which are female threaded, same as the SmokeTip and Green Smoke. Not sure if they fit those devices, though.

Then you have the Joye eGo, which is a higher mAh (milliampere-hour) battery with the same 510 atomizer/cartomizer connection. The eGo is also sold as the Tornado, Inferno, etc. I believe the Riva and Hello 016 are of a similar design to the eGo (and also utilize 510 atomizers), but have higher mAh batteries.

The 510 seems to be the most widely used atomizer size, although there are still many people who love the 901. They also make adapters so that you can use the atomizer of your choosing on a device/battery that has a different size connection. My best advice would be to steer clear of the over priced devices like the White Cloud, Green Smoke, Blu, etc. and stick with the industry standards. It's much, much easier to find components that fit.

 

[Tracker II]

Don't worry, the lingo and model numbers get much easier after you receive your official decoder ring.

 

[geminimind]

Yes it is confusing. There is a glossary section. It helped me.

 

[dormouse]

Some are repackaging not so good Chinese wholesaler models and then charging people as much as $50 for a spare battery. (batteries should cost $12-15, maybe $18 for a fancy color). Some make the carts or cartos harder for users to refill and don't sell blank carts or cartos. Many use models that are not compatible with any of the popular models most of us here buy under their original model numbers and names fora good price. And then there are some that are actually fine and sell popular good unmodified uncrippled models but in fancier colors, sell blank carts, still compatible with generic parts.

 

[DC2]

These models though... does anyone know succinctly how many different models are out there?

Probably not, considering that number probably changes every day at this point.

And then there is the fact that now the different models have variations as well.
Like the 510 atomizer now comes in various different resistances such as 1.5 ohms, 2.0 ohms, 2.2 ohms, etc.

Do branded vaporizers like White Cloud, Premier, Diablo, Green Smoke, and ESmoke actually do anything different to their batteries or are they just repackaging (painting or changing the LEDs) on these 510s and 920s (or whatever)?

There are some that claim they have different technologies.

I have no idea if it is true or not, and haven't seen many discussions about that topic here.
There may be some that do, and some that only say they do.

But those that do not say they do anything different are likely just selling repackaged models.

 

[Griffin]

Has anyone ever put together any kind of visual guide to the various popular battery styles and such? I started out with V4L and am generally happy but I'm struggling to figure out what other cartos and batteries I can use with the gear I already have.

 

[DC2]

Has anyone ever put together any kind of visual guide to the various popular battery styles and such? I started out with V4L and am generally happy but I'm struggling to figure out what other cartos and batteries I can use with the gear I already have.

This is the closest thing I've seen...
Brand and Model Compatibility Chart - E-Cigarette Wiki

And this is pretty handy too...
Atomizer Compatibility List - E-Cigarette Wiki

 

[terradale]

This is the closest thing I've seen...
Brand and Model Compatibility Chart - E-Cigarette Wiki

And this is pretty handy too...
Atomizer Compatibility List - E-Cigarette Wiki

Wow, what a list. Personally I love list. MS Excel nut myself.

Thanks for the info. Bookmarked for reference.

 

[coolone1]

Look at this it ius probably the best guide out there.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ssion/114827-side-side-comparison-update.html this also
Electronic Cigarette Mods | e-Cig Mod Reviews and Comparison

 

[DC2]

Electronic Cigarette Mods | e-Cig Mod Reviews and Comparison

I think that is the old website, and if so, this is the updated one...
Best e-Cig Mod List | e-Cig Mods Database

 

[terradale]

Great visuals. Love the hookahs. (Ahhh, memories.)

 

[dormouse]

With V4L (for whoever asked)

The 3 sizes of V4L or KR808D-1 batteries (because V4L is KR808D-1)
The Elegant Easy from CigEasy is a fat-battery version of KR8 (just like Ego is fat battery version of 510)

DSE 901 attys screw right on KR8 batteries, but others need adapters. LR versions of attys not really recommended for normal ecig batteries but can be used on the fat battery version

 

[Magnushawk]

Man! You guys really are awesome. I've been on some boards in my day but aside from the home-built computer crowd I've never seen as many people know so much. And for real reals too. Not for play plays. It's a complicated world out here but likeanytjing I just need to glom onto some of those patterns in design and read up on the basic principles and I'll be right there with you. Thanks again or those extra resource links. It helps to know where to look.

 

[Griffin]

Awesome! Thanks for the references!

 

[pAth77]

It looks like you've gotten a lot of great info and links already. I was in your same position not too long ago, and someone in the KR8 section explained it to me pretty well. The numbers get very confusing, and it gets more complicated when different vendors start renaming them. In essence, the numbers are just a different type of threading (for the batt and atty/carto). Currently, the two most popular types of threading are the 510 and kr808. The easy way to differentiate the two when looking at pictures is by looking at the threads and how many pieces the total setup is.

510: Battery has the female threads (recessed) and the atty has the male threads (protrudes from the atty). It is a 3 piece setup consisting of the battery, atty, and cartridge. It can be made into a two piece unit by using a 510 cartomizer, but most starter kits will be a 3 piece unit.

kr808: Battery has male threads (protrudes from battery) and the cartomizer has the female threads. It is a 2 piece setup consisting of a battery and cartomizer. It can be made into a three piece setup using a 901 atty (it has the same threads) and a cartridge.

The main difference in performance between the 510 and kr8 is the voltage output of the batts. Under load, the 510s operate at around 3.2 volts while the kr8 operates at 3.7 volts.

Both the 510 and kr8 have fat batt models, which allow from longer run times since their capacity is usually 3-5x that of the standard kit batteries. 510 models include the eGo, riva, inferno. Kr8 models include the easy elegant, defender, and pigcig.

There are a lot of other models available (l88b, 302, etc), but I wouldn't worry too much about those at the moment. You'll probably be better off starting with any of the 510 and kr8 models. Just figure out which has the specs that you think will suit you best.