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Off and on for about 6 years. My first one was a Janty that I bought when I got married. I used it for the long drive on our honeymoon so I wouldn't stink up the car and used it off and on til it quit. Then my step son got me an eRoll for my birthday this year so I have been using it off and on. I do still smoke but not as much as I use to. I roll my own cigarettes so there are no chemicals in my tobacco and my cost is very cheap. $18 a carton. I will eventually stop smoking. I have been vaping much more here lately though. I love this eRoll but I do want to upgrade to a more powerful setup one of these days. My step son works for Posh Vapors off of 190 and North Garland Rd. So he will give me a discount when I am ready.
How about you? Have you been vaping long?
As I have said before...... Bingo!! You just hit the nail on the head ........ ;-)~
I agree 101%. Vaping extremists will have us all hiding and vaping in a cave pretty soon. Common sense, courtesy and an awareness of your suroundings will go a long way. Just because you might think it smells good and looks neat somebody else might like a courtesy flush
Well about 4 yrs ago I had gotten an ego setup and was using a mainly VG based liquid and I kept getting sick and feeling terrible. So I quit it. Kept smoking :-( I just the past month found the NJOY disposables, tried again and it didn't make me sick. My hubby and I just got a greensmoke setup and love it. I just figured out that I am in fact allergic to VG so that would explain why NJOY and Greensmoke didn't make me sick 100% PG or close to it. I just got some e liquid that was 70/30 and it started it again. I started back on my regular greensmoke cartos and I'm back to normal. Now we are going to quit in about a month but I have usually only like 1-3 cigs a day. The one first thing in the morning and at night are hard to get rid of LOL! I'm glad to have some people near by that vape and understand that it is different from smoking and better for you etc. Some people don't get it and say that you didn't really quit etc but my doctor is super happy! He says that I've quit and I'm well on my way to be completely smoke free.
While I agree with most of what you're saying, I think it's probably reasonable to conclude that second hand vapour is largely harmless, except in cases of allergic reaction.
My understanding is that the concentrations of any chemicals apart from PG / VG / water are extremely low. VG is pretty close to biologically inert, and PG has been used in theatre fog machines for a long time without causing much harm to anyone (beyond a possible link to asthma for people chronically exposed). Of course people haven't been sucking on theatre fog machines' nozzles for decades running, so you're right in that we don't know what that will do to vapers themselves.
I strongly agree with the "don't vape in restaurants" position - that's just courtesy. But I'd be pretty surprised if it did anybody else any measurable harm if I did.
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There was a study done where they tried to measure the nicotine in the air from second hand vapor. They had difficulty measuring it because the nicotine oxidized so fast it was hard to measure. I will dig around for the study and post a link.
Down with the Taco Bell!!! I'm going to check at my local Bell, and if they have a sign like that.... I'm making a complaint to management! LOL In reality though, I'm gonna bet some young e-douche with his little $10 dollar e-cig had to force a point about vaping, and had no common courtesy for the people he was sitting close too, and made a scene! For anyone listening..... Don't be that guy! Have some respect!
Wooo a fellow plano citizen on ecf. I haven't seen such a sign at any of the taco bells I've been to.
Ya I read that study before but trying to convince a non vaper wouldn't be easy. Its really not about harming other more about bothering others to the point of needing it banned. Due to smoking vaping won't be acceptable to most people in this day and age. I'm just happy to be able to vape instead of smoke and will vape in the rain if I have to. I don't miss getting wet in the rain while smoking and smelling 100x worse of smoke. I still do vape at work but have places I can go that others won't notice me sneaking a puff or 2. There are no rules about it and don't want to give them any reason to make a rule about it. Easiest way to get around bothering others is out of site out of mind method. People can't complain about something they don't know is happening and its not like if they smell my pina colada they are gonna think someone is vaping, but they may think I am drinking haha. Maybe I should stick with my mt dew at work and carry around a bottle of it to drink now that would be stealth hehe.
Good thread on the effects of second hand vapor:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/282236-second-hand-vaping-any-risk.html
As for the topic of vaping indoors, I work at a restaurant and our policy is no vaping, which I appreciate. It's just common courtesy in my opinion.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/282236-second-hand-vaping-any-risk.html
As for the topic of vaping indoors, I work at a restaurant and our policy is no vaping, which I appreciate. It's just common courtesy in my opinion.
Taco smell is the only place I've ever had any issues with vaping.the store in centerville Ohio asked me to take my zmax back out to the car and I said if I left the building it was going to be to go somewhere else for food.
Their logic was since I couldn't use it in the store I didn't need to have it in the store . Yet they weren't asking anyone to take their cigarettes back out to the car.
Be careful,taco smell.your ignorance is showing.
Their logic was since I couldn't use it in the store I didn't need to have it in the store . Yet they weren't asking anyone to take their cigarettes back out to the car.
Be careful,taco smell.your ignorance is showing.
I've often wondered about this. I've also heard that some of the citrus flavors--IE the Pineapple Orange that I'm currently vaping--will eat plastic tanks and drip tips. Is this true? My Kanger T2 hasn't shown any signs of fogging...yet.
Funny you say that. A man did this not too long ago, and it was decided that he was within his rights, as whichever state he was in was a permitted open-carry state. This is a whole 'nother debate to be had, though. I'm a huge advocate for the right to carry.
Are you kidding me?! This is a time when I would've had to have made a scene. Next thing you know, airports will be telling you that since you can't use your cell phone during takeoff or landing, you should just leave it at home.
As its been quote quite a few times,thanks to the Tobacco companies making sure to grant money to 'anti-vaping lobbies' vaping and the rights to individuals who do maybe banned long before 'vaping' is even known to the general population.
Have to be impressed how far the good chance of having your bottom line cut off at the ankles if smokers discover vaping motivates one to get out there and get people hyped with spurious information and scare stories about vapers out to addict non smokers and children along with taking the name "E-Cig" to prove that if it wasn't the same as a Cigarette they would not call it an e-cig. Ask 100 people walking past you on the street if the know what "vaping" is or what an "e-cig is". The most common answer to the first is that they have no idea dn the most common answer to the second is that its just another way to burn tobacco. Unfortunately there are devices out there also referred to as 'e-cigs' that do just that - so it makes it easier for the tobacco funded anti vapy lobby to shove that out as the only definition. People have either gotten miss information about the majority of 'e-cigs being PVs' or just assumed that it would not have the 'nasty name' associated with it.
Tobacco companies have for years, hiding their name, funded studies that prove their point, supported legislation that pays them in the long run and fought to keep their money rolling in. They are well ahead of the curve having seen the potential of 'e-cigs' before the first one rolled off the line and started working on making them harder to get, more expensive to get and regulated as well as not allowed more so then analogs?
The why is obvious to the vaper but not so much for the general public. The Vaper knows just how perfect vaping is as an alternative to the analog while tobacco companies see it as a customer lost with no ways to keep hooks into them. For example, a lot of tobacco money went quietly to support the call to make nicotine replacements like patches and gum OOC an readily available. Why? because they were known to have a high failure rate and the propensity for leaving the user as addicted to nicotine (as sometimes more) when they user returned to analogs because of the failure. Remember the replacement device of the 'nicotine inhaler' - that was (mysterious) fought against as an OCC replacement and studies alluded to the risk of addicting people to it as a 'inhalation' device. No need to look too hard for where that money came from. And the misinformation is fed even to anti tobacco groups to get them to treat vaping like smoking. Look at the Forget Tobacco FB page whose whole campaign is about making it so tobacco is no more in people's minds who have now lumped vaping into that. And where did they get their information. Vaping sure made me 'Forget Tobacco' so why are they against instead of for? Mostly because they have been lead to believe something other then the reality.
Vapers have to step up and get ahead of the curve. At sometime the 'right' argument has to be placed before these mega chains but right now some of the better power is to get locals vapers convincing local merchants to support vaping and show local city/town councils and legislatures that there are a lot of vapers out there that will come shop at THEIR mall if they can walk along and vape while window shopping.
I am not looking to vape over someone's dinner (even if it is Taco Bell's food) but I want to not be lumped with analog smokers so the only place I can vape is right in the middle of them. Now that I don't smoke I don't want second hand smoke (never did but while holding an analog it seemed pretty hypocritical). I want to be able to sit at an outdoor patio table at the local coffee shop and vape with my 'coffee drink' and be able to have stores that support vaping and welcome vapors without being told by some city council they can't.
I bet a explanation demanded from taco bell about why they say 'no vaping' like it was smoking will get you an answer that essentially says that it is the same thing, They were not motivated to place that 'ban' because vapors were vaping away with their burrito but because some 'group' can and informed then that analog smokers now had a way electronically to get around the tobacco bans and come stink up their restaurants....how many people are telling TB that there is a difference.
I think few, if any smokers stopped using merchants with no smoking signs on their doors because 1) they knew the health reasons were valid and 2) they knew that it was not often the choice of the individual merchant. But when it comes to vaping I think vapers have the right to say 'unfriendly to vapors - then I will shop elsewhere' as a bit of a pressure to allow vapers to retain freedoms.
Have to be impressed how far the good chance of having your bottom line cut off at the ankles if smokers discover vaping motivates one to get out there and get people hyped with spurious information and scare stories about vapers out to addict non smokers and children along with taking the name "E-Cig" to prove that if it wasn't the same as a Cigarette they would not call it an e-cig. Ask 100 people walking past you on the street if the know what "vaping" is or what an "e-cig is". The most common answer to the first is that they have no idea dn the most common answer to the second is that its just another way to burn tobacco. Unfortunately there are devices out there also referred to as 'e-cigs' that do just that - so it makes it easier for the tobacco funded anti vapy lobby to shove that out as the only definition. People have either gotten miss information about the majority of 'e-cigs being PVs' or just assumed that it would not have the 'nasty name' associated with it.
Tobacco companies have for years, hiding their name, funded studies that prove their point, supported legislation that pays them in the long run and fought to keep their money rolling in. They are well ahead of the curve having seen the potential of 'e-cigs' before the first one rolled off the line and started working on making them harder to get, more expensive to get and regulated as well as not allowed more so then analogs?
The why is obvious to the vaper but not so much for the general public. The Vaper knows just how perfect vaping is as an alternative to the analog while tobacco companies see it as a customer lost with no ways to keep hooks into them. For example, a lot of tobacco money went quietly to support the call to make nicotine replacements like patches and gum OOC an readily available. Why? because they were known to have a high failure rate and the propensity for leaving the user as addicted to nicotine (as sometimes more) when they user returned to analogs because of the failure. Remember the replacement device of the 'nicotine inhaler' - that was (mysterious) fought against as an OCC replacement and studies alluded to the risk of addicting people to it as a 'inhalation' device. No need to look too hard for where that money came from. And the misinformation is fed even to anti tobacco groups to get them to treat vaping like smoking. Look at the Forget Tobacco FB page whose whole campaign is about making it so tobacco is no more in people's minds who have now lumped vaping into that. And where did they get their information. Vaping sure made me 'Forget Tobacco' so why are they against instead of for? Mostly because they have been lead to believe something other then the reality.
Vapers have to step up and get ahead of the curve. At sometime the 'right' argument has to be placed before these mega chains but right now some of the better power is to get locals vapers convincing local merchants to support vaping and show local city/town councils and legislatures that there are a lot of vapers out there that will come shop at THEIR mall if they can walk along and vape while window shopping.
I am not looking to vape over someone's dinner (even if it is Taco Bell's food) but I want to not be lumped with analog smokers so the only place I can vape is right in the middle of them. Now that I don't smoke I don't want second hand smoke (never did but while holding an analog it seemed pretty hypocritical). I want to be able to sit at an outdoor patio table at the local coffee shop and vape with my 'coffee drink' and be able to have stores that support vaping and welcome vapors without being told by some city council they can't.
I bet a explanation demanded from taco bell about why they say 'no vaping' like it was smoking will get you an answer that essentially says that it is the same thing, They were not motivated to place that 'ban' because vapors were vaping away with their burrito but because some 'group' can and informed then that analog smokers now had a way electronically to get around the tobacco bans and come stink up their restaurants....how many people are telling TB that there is a difference.
I think few, if any smokers stopped using merchants with no smoking signs on their doors because 1) they knew the health reasons were valid and 2) they knew that it was not often the choice of the individual merchant. But when it comes to vaping I think vapers have the right to say 'unfriendly to vapors - then I will shop elsewhere' as a bit of a pressure to allow vapers to retain freedoms.
"Are you kidding me?! This is a time when I would've had to have made a scene. "
I actually haven't been to a Taco Bell since.i didn't make a HUGE scene,but I did warn the manager the ecig market share has roughly doubled every year since the start and that the economy still wasn't such that they could afford to risk losing that large a portion of their potential customer base to ignorance. Especially after their 'red slime' debachle.
I actually haven't been to a Taco Bell since.i didn't make a HUGE scene,but I did warn the manager the ecig market share has roughly doubled every year since the start and that the economy still wasn't such that they could afford to risk losing that large a portion of their potential customer base to ignorance. Especially after their 'red slime' debachle.
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