The notorious 'one upper'

[Sad Society]

There is a thread posted under the new section where a non-smoker said that they wanted to start vaping. That thread is now closed so I'll post here.

Now I'm not going to point anybody out or say what thread it was, but they basically said that they wanted to vape non-nicotine juice, and use it around their smoking friends. There were a bunch of posts to follow that said that it would not be a good idea to start vaping if you are a non-smoker to begin with.

Well if you wanted to start doing something that you've never done before (like vaping) and a people were telling you not to or that you can't...wouldn't that make you want to do it even more?

I'm guessing that they are going to start vaping anyways...regardless of what others try to tell them. I'm guessing that this "non-smoker" who wants to start vaping is a "one-upper."

One-uppers are the type of people who have something better or something worst than you. If you had a good day...then they had a better day. If you had a bad day, well then they will tell you something that happened to them that makes your bad day look like nothing. If you get a new toy or something nice and show it to a 'one-upper'...they will probably get one better or one just like yours as soon as they can.

So this non-smoker stated that they wanted to get a PV and use it around their smoking friends. And the only scenario I can think of is this guy whiping out and using his new PV while his friends are smoking, and thinking 'Hey look what I'm doing. This is better than your cigarette and I don't even smoke.'

Sounds like a 'one-upper' to me.

 

[Crankyfuzz]

Sounds about right....what I find sad and pathetic are the ones starting out smoking while I am fighting to end a 20+ year smoking addiction.

 

[props76]

Before this gets locked...

Does it really matter the type of person he is? Everyone was honest with him, don't do it.

If he wants to play a game with good advice, its not really worth the effort to play his game to try and get him to see things your way. He can jump off a bridge if he wants and its not going to change any of our lives..

My 2 cent

 

[whistlrr]

re "one uppers" -- Yep (not much more I can add there).

There's also the "lets stick our finger in the hornets nest and stir and see what comes out" types (very close cousins to the One Upper)

Its a combo of the two that you may have met as a kid (you know, that one kid who's vocabulary consisted pretty much of "nyah nyah nyah" and "neener neener neener')

(I suspect some two-fold stirring has been involved... served both first here in this forum as a 'trial run' before heading out to 'vape with smoking friends')

This particular 'hornet' has seen stirrers enough come and go in life and is just a little too old and too lazy to get especially worked up over this one.

 

[Giantfan]

Listen, once the curiosity gets inside someone's head about smoking, it's OVER. The seed has been planted, and they will start smoking. The question is, is it better for someone to start smoking cigarettes, or vaping? I think we know the answer to that.

My own example would be this: I quit for almost two years, no problems. Out of the blue started fantasizing about cigarettes. I would have started smoking again if I had not discovered e cigarettes. I saved myself a whole lot of trouble, thank goodness.

 

[mzruzz]

...And it could happen that he turns one of his smoking friends on to a pv!!

 

[Dredbull]

Giving the benefit of a doubt I can see the non smokers point.

They were interested in it as something to keep hands busy while socially interacting with their smoker pals.
What about hooka smoking I know a bunch of non smokers who puff on a hooka with friends but do not use tobacco at all out side of it.

We all pleaded with this person not to start, some attacked this person.
They may be a one upper but they also feel a loss of some social interaction with the pals.

 

[ladyraj]

And the individual could have been a troll looking for evidence that forum members are more than willing to enable a nonsmoker. Keep in mind the FDA found nicotine in 0-nic carts in the report of cartridge analysis. Thus, even if the individual wanted 0-nic he may accidently be exposed to some level of nicotine and thereby become addicted to nicotine. This would give the forces alligned us the evidence they crave.

If the individual really wanted to make this choice and vape a PV the info is easily attained via the search function for recommendations. There are suppliers all over the internet and kiosks in some malls.

I'm just saying

Is it only me who thinks that an individual who wants to impress his smoking friends by vaping non-nic is probably a teenager?

 

[boxhead]

ha. so true.

 

[props76]

Listen, once the curiosity gets inside someone's head about smoking, it's OVER. .

It called control... Whats in my head is feeling like I'm on top of the world, with a big stack of money beside me, in bed with a beautful woman...

That doesn't mean I'm gone to use coke, rob a bank, a kidnap a woman off the street to get there.

 

[magus7091]

Listen, once the curiosity gets inside someone's head about smoking, it's OVER. The seed has been planted, and they will start smoking.

I can understand the point of what's being said here, it comes down to the fact that this person is probably going to try one or the other, and it's better that he/she try a PV rather than analogs. I know for me, once I tried smoking, after years of feeling it was a filthy disgusting habit, it was only a matter of time before it became an eventual pack to two pack a day habit. I would rather see someone on a 0-nic PV than that.

All that being said, however, I'm in the "Don't do it" camp. Regardless of what type of personality this person had, or even the intent of the original message, it's certainly started more than it's share of controversy. Nothing any of us have said or will say will change the decision that this person will make.

 

[Giantfan]

It called control... Whats in my head is feeling like I'm on top of the world, with a big stack of money beside me, in bed with a beautful woman...

That doesn't mean I'm gone to use coke, rob a bank, a kidnap a woman off the street to get there.

Deciding to smoke a cigarette is nothing compared to using coke, robbing a bank, or kidnapping anyone. This is where the difference is. Deciding to smoke is an easy and subtle decision. All you have to do is accept an offering, or go and legally buy a pack, and try.

Most people know of the addiction, but they don't truly know, and therefore, there is no strong control response. Unfortunately, it's an attractive and easy habit to step into. Genetics also seem to play a role.

I was attracted and destined to smoke since I was 6 years old. I saw it and was fascinated. It was only a matter of time.........

It's not a lot different for most people.