The Orange Juice Test.

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VIAWOL

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I can't tell if this "good news" person is real or just an entertaining instigator. They seem so full of crack pot theories and misinformation. Not to mention propaganda. I like reading all of the topics they post. They seem to bring the best out of people, or at least the bacon passion. BACON! MMMMMM BACON! POCKETS FULL OF BACON!

This post was found in an ancient ruin, possibly left by aliens.
 

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I may be taking a holiday soon, but - I think he starts threads with the intention of becoming a revolutionary in the vaping world and when one theory is shot down as being totally baseless, he just starts up another one. I don't believe it is about the vape or the science - it is about becoming famous in the vaping world. Can you say 'wannabe'?
Well, he is achieving one goal, he's becoming famous...perhaps "notorious" might be a better word to use.

Nice to be a Canadian - up here we call that stuff bacon! And we drink whatever we want while we eat it....
So do you guys get asked "Would you like round or strip bacon with your eggs, eh?" :p

It's kind of weird. In Michigan, they call chopped ham "Canadian bacon," at least when it comes to pizza. On the West Coast, we use the "real" thing. The French don't call fried potatoes "french fries," either. :)
 

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Well, then it's the alkaline, big whoop. But lower PH doesn't mean less acidity, it can just mean more alkaline. Matters more the average of the two, if I'm not totally mistaken.

Wrong. Lower PH actually mean MORE acidity, and never MORE alkaline... But anyway, 'More alkaline' is just as saying 'Less acidic', or 'higher pH'... it is only the concentration of the hydronium ion (H3O+) that actually matters, when stating a value of pH.

pH = - log10 [H3O+], just like pOH=-log[OH-]... in pure water, both pH and pOH will be seven, because the naturally occuring chemichal reaction

2 H2O <===> H3O+ + OH-

(Which occurs both ways) will be at at equilibrium that yields concentrations for both ions of 0.0000001 (10 e-7)


If you add an acid to pure water, you will of course end up with an acid solution, because you actually added H3O+ ions. This added H3O+ ions will unbalance the reaction above, shifting it to the left, resulting in less concentrations of both naturally-ocurrying H3O+ and OH-. The decrease in 'natural' H3O+ is, however, largely surpassed by the arrival of the new hydronium ions from the added acid, with a net result of an increase of it's concentration.
If H3O+ is then more concentrated (Above the naturally-ocurring 10 e-7), pH will be lower than 7, because it expressed as the negative of the logarithm...

On the other hand, if you add an alkaline substance to pure water, (OH- ions), you will be once again shifting the reaction above to the left, once again reducing concentration for both 'natural' H3O+ and OH-... only this time, there is no 'new' added H3O+ to make up for that reduction. You are now adding OH- (a base), not H3O+ (an acid). Therefore, H3O+ concentration will actually drop below the equilibrium level (10 e-7), resulting in an increase of pH. (If the new concentration is now a tenth of what it was before - 0.00000001 instead of the previous 0.0000001, pH will actually increase from 7 to 8: pH = - log10 [H3O+] )

Hope this helps... :lol:
 

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Well, he is achieving one goal, he's becoming famous...perhaps "notorious" might be a better word to use.

How about infamous? Seriously though, I haven't followed him/her enough to know how much tripe is being served, but in some posts, GN seems to be honestly looking for assistance, and seems genuinely grateful for support when it's given (at least on some threads). How about a deal? GN cuts down on personal observation being science, and everybody else be a little nicer. (I know, I'm a little guilty too, but I did read enough to think that this person isn't a complete troll.)

 

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How about infamous? Seriously though, I haven't followed him/her enough to know how much tripe is being served, but in some posts, GN seems to be honestly looking for assistance, and seems genuinely grateful for support when it's given (at least on some threads). How about a deal? GN cuts down on personal observation being science, and everybody else be a little nicer. (I know, I'm a little guilty too, but I did read enough to think that this person isn't a complete troll.)



My observation, from a purely unscientific standpoint, the grateful only happens when a poster agrees. I see so much help being given, misinformation being corrected etc. I hope that the correct info helps someone that happens to stumble into these threads and they don't take the incorrect as fact.

I've learned that they add citric acid to my favorite orange juice, which I wouldn't have known if I didn't Google. Amazing what information Google will get a person.
 

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My observation, from a purely unscientific standpoint, the grateful only happens when a poster agrees. I see so much help being given, misinformation being corrected etc. I hope that the correct info helps someone that happens to stumble into these threads and they don't take the incorrect as fact.

I've learned that they add citric acid to my favorite orange juice, which I wouldn't have known if I didn't Google. Amazing what information Google will get a person.

Time will tell. We can always learn from someone. All we can do is offer peace, and forget it if it's not accepted:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ms/515284-so-little-honest-help-please-6.html
 

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Hey guys, interesting test I just discovered:

Orange juice, because of the acidity, temporarily blocks the human tongue from tasting organic food material to it's highest extent, yet not mute chemicals or metal ions - it's why people universally prefer orange juice with bacon, it temporarily blocks the acidic taste of any burnt organic food material that well-done bacon always has. The combination is quite tasty.

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I Seriously Question the reasoning for this Association.

It is a Scientifically Proven Fact that Bacon Taste Great with EVERYTHING.

It is an Fundamental, Overarching Principle of the Universe. Right up there with the Laws of Thermodynamics. And E = M.
 

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If you followed or looked back through the posts, there is a definite pattern emerging. Right now we are at "fever pitch" stage. If MY theory is correct in a day, maybe less, the tone will completely change, and there will be something posted that will make people feel bad. Either something will finally work, or ailments will be brought up, etc. And around and around we go.
 

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Depends on what the companies are putting in the orange juice. Eating a regular orange will not work in the way I described the test, and that's why I said to drink orange juice, not to eat an orange.

I can eat an orange and it doesn't make my tongue dry in the least. Orange juice sure does. Depending on how organic it is.

There's more factors about this effect out there than just the PH scale imo. Then again, it could be the alkaline, I may have just been mistaken. I just know that orange juice isn't considered to be a palate cleanser in our hobby. Grape juices, coffees, and lemon juices are more preferred, and I think there's a reason why. Again, could have been my mix up between acidity and alkaline, and in that case, I was pretty much right with wrong terms. So there was no real reason to behave any different than if my information was correct. The effect is the SAME.

Go ahead ya'll try and sip a bit of orange juice with your vape, bet you won't vape after it. If my assumptions are correct, half the folks are running around here vaping metal ions and nasty tasting chemicals made from the gunking of propylene glycol, if ya'll want to vape that, go ahead, I'm just giving people a test where they can do it to improve their own atomizers and have a realistic idea of what they're really vaping. I bet everyone will feel a little like me after they try it, they'll taste weird stuff and will have no clue why.

But if your atomizer is clean, I bet you'll taste nothing but vapor. Can be a nice way to gauge.

I've worked in the food industry for over 10 years, working with professionals who are trained to create and modify flavor.

You're wrong, except for coffee - and professional tasters don't drink coffee to cleanse their palete, as the oils in coffee coat the tongue - they SMELL the coffee beans to reset their sense of smell, which is integral to taste.

Water, or crackers are THE preferred method to cleanse the mouth, when tasting. Grape juice has never been used in any professional sense, lemon WATER is used in restaurants, because lemony water is better tasting than just water.

Drinking orange juice and then vaping is not turning off your tastebuds - that is literally impossible. What's happening is your tongue is coated with orange juice, and it's interacting with the flavor of whatever you're vaping.

PH has literally nothing to do with it. Oh, and if you're drinking organic orange juice, it's literally the same thing as eating an orange - squeezing oranges into a glass does not give the juice magical properties.

Question...and I may regret this...do you know what an ion is? And could you please explain the science behind metal ions and taste?

Some days I think you're a grand project of a troll, it wouldn't be the first time I've run across something like that online. But others...the only reason I respond is that I don't want your very bizarre and factually incorrect ideas and statements to influence anyone. You're now making statements like "chemicals from gunked up PG" that have no basis in reality and no scientific backing, and that's not needed around here, with how many issues we have as a community with junk science and misguided perceptions.
 

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Yep...and they just closed another thread

Sent by my cat through pure magic

Yeah Judge Dredd doesn't mess around lol.

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