The Palestinian & Israel Conflict

[LisaLisa]

Wow SG, that was awesome. Matthew chapter 5 is one of my all time favorites because He spells out who will be blessed and He really sticks it to the pharisees.

I have to tell you, when I read the bible, I take everything at face value. I get something out of it, but just whatever is on the surface. Your detailed and in depth studies really open the whole thing up to things that I had no idea about, or hadn't even given any thought too.

I've been so blessed by this learning, I can't even tell you. I"m sure everyone else feels the same way too, so thank you again from the bottom of my heart!

QUESTION:

5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God.
Peacemakers. Jesus deals with this in 5:21-26 - talking about strife between people. At this time the Jews are approaching the time of the Jewish wars. Assassinations are being carried out by Zealots. There is desire for blood, and the Jewish society is splitting into sects. Jesus says that those who create or make peace are blessed. Making peace requires effort...often tremendous effort. The Greek word is "they do peace." They do, or make, peace by doing what is required for peace, either verbally or in action.

Sons of God = taking on the characteristics of the Father. When we do this, we become like our heavenly Father. God is a God of peace (1 Thess 5:23), and He hates those who destroy peace (Prov 6:19). Note also that there is "no peace for the wicked" (Is 48:22; 57:21). Jesus is also called "the Prince of Peace" (Isa 9:6; Jn 14:27).


After reading that above, I immediately thought about the conflict between Israel and Palestine. What do you think about that conflict? What do you think God thinks about it?

 

[Southern Gent]

Wow SG, that was awesome. Matthew chapter 5 is one of my all time favorites because He spells out who will be blessed and He really sticks it to the pharisees.

I have to tell you, when I read the bible, I take everything at face value. I get something out of it, but just whatever is on the surface. Your detailed and in depth studies really open the whole thing up to things that I had no idea about, or hadn't even given any thought too.

I've been so blessed by this learning, I can't even tell you. I"m sure everyone else feels the same way too, so thank you again from the bottom of my heart!

QUESTION:

5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God.
Peacemakers. Jesus deals with this in 5:21-26 - talking about strife between people. At this time the Jews are approaching the time of the Jewish wars. Assassinations are being carried out by Zealots. There is desire for blood, and the Jewish society is splitting into sects. Jesus says that those who create or make peace are blessed. Making peace requires effort...often tremendous effort. The Greek word is "they do peace." They do, or make, peace by doing what is required for peace, either verbally or in action.

Sons of God = taking on the characteristics of the Father. When we do this, we become like our heavenly Father. God is a God of peace (1 Thess 5:23), and He hates those who destroy peace (Prov 6:19). Note also that there is "no peace for the wicked" (Is 48:22; 57:21). Jesus is also called "the Prince of Peace" (Isa 9:6; Jn 14:27).


After reading that above, I immediately thought about the conflict between Israel and Palestine. What do you think about that conflict? What do you think God thinks about it?

God is likely not happy with it but to be honest the land belongs to the Palestinians. You really can't blame them for being bent out of shape.

 

[LisaLisa]

Jesus basically reordered the 10 with "Love God...love your neighbor...they are summed up all but one.

Jews don't accept the Son so therefore don't accept the Father. God said "I will give you this...I will be your God...you my people......now why did they lose the land?

They don't have a temple to sacrifice in...

They don't do sacrifices anymore because they don't have a temple? I don't understand that. I have no idea why they lost the land to the Palestinians. I just know they have been fighting over it forever.

 

[Saintscruiser]

God is likely not happy with it but to be honest the land belongs to the Palestinians. You really can't blame them for being bent out of shape.

The land does not belong to the Palestinians according to God, and it's what He thinks that is important. I'm sure you know that before the name was changed from Israel and Judah to Palestine, the Caesar just got tired of the Jews and decided to re-name the land Palestine, just to get their name off of the country. That doesn't mean that the Palestinians have a right to the land. The Jews have done everything except stand on their heads whistling Dixie on the Via Del A Rosa to calm the palestinians. They've given them land. It's not enough. They've given them more land. It's not enough. The Arabs cannot stand that an Israeli state exists. Remember that England gave them the land and the United States was the first nation to acknowledge their existence. On May 15, 1948, Israel became a nation and they wanted to share it with the Palestinians. They wanted nothing but to see the Jews either dead or resettled. If all the Arabs are so up in arms about it, give the Palestinians some of their land. They won't do it. Wars have been fought since Biblical time....one taking this land, another taking another. It wasn't until the Jews resettled that the country began to flourish. Oh, and don't forget the 6 day war and entebee. the only Israeli military casualty during the entebee rescue was P.M. Benjamin Netanyahu's brother, Yuri. In light of the fact that the world thinks all of this was unfair, did the Israeli's become terrorists? No. They defend their existence.

SG, I do know what you were saying, but that land has been the Jew's land since Biblical times. God gave this land to them. But if you look at the map and see all the existing Arab countries surrounding Israel vs the tiny size of Israel and they've maintained this land for 62 years, that's a miracle within itself. Many Jews and Arabs lived in Palestine together, rather peacefully, but as soon as the country become Israel and the Israelis wanted to do the same to the Arabs, the Arabs became terrorists. (Putting soapbox back under the table.)

 

[KellyinAZ]

Saintcruiser,
I do have agree with you on this issue. History is pretty clear on the land of Israel. Southern Gent, would you explain your thoughts on the land belonging to Palestine? I am not following you on this part. I really do want to understand and I am certainly not trying to cause problems. I try to see things from many different angles especially a subject as tangled and thorny as this one happens to be.
Thanks,
Kelly
In God We Trust

 

[CartHeadMod]

I see it the same as Kelly and SC. I too would like to dig into this a little further if it's ok.

would you all agree that Christ is going to return whether or not Israel and Palestine exist?......the Middle East belongs neither to Palestine or Israel.....it belongs to God.......as does the rest of the world.......

 

[LisaLisa]

would you all agree that Christ is going to return whether or not Israel and Palestine exist?......the Middle East belongs neither to Palestine or Israel.....it belongs to God.......as does the rest of the world.......

oh of course, I agree.

 

[KellyinAZ]

Carthead...of course I agree that the entire world AND the universe belong to God. I guess my question to Southern Gent was why he believes the land being fought over by Palestine and Israel belongs to Palestine. What the Jews from the OT days have in common with the Jews of today is their religion. It hasn't changed in thousands of years, well except for the live sacrifices. I guess I am missing some piece of information that would make this situation less murky in my eyes.
Kelly
In God We Trust

 

[Southern Gent]

Carthead...of course I agree that the entire world AND the universe belong to God. I guess my question to Southern Gent was why he believes the land being fought over by Palestine and Israel belongs to Palestine. What the Jews from the OT days have in common with the Jews of today is their religion. It hasn't changed in thousands of years, well except for the live sacrifices. I guess I am missing some piece of information that would make this situation less murky in my eyes.
Kelly
In God We Trust

It has all changed Kelly. There is no place of worship (temple) there is no Levite priesthood, there is no trace of lineage. All of these were destroyed in 70 AD at the hands of Rome just as Jesus said they would. The Israel of today (1948) is a creation of man. If you were to make a garden and call it "heaven" would it really be heaven? Most importantly--Is the Israel of today God's chosen people? They rejected His Son...so the answer is no. The people that dwell in the "country" of Israel have the same opportunity to accept Christ as Savior. Otherwise they are no different from anyone else. God is not a respecter of person. To say that this man made nation has any more grace or special salvation apart from anyone else makes God to be something other than Himself. The cross was once for all and that includes everyone.
Remember God gave them land but it was always conditional. When they rejected God, He took away their land. Egypt--Babylon--Syria--Rome...all put the Jewish nation under bondage. They were the first offered into the kingdom of God and rejected it. God through Rome pronounced final judgment against their system.

 

[KellyinAZ]

Well Southern Gent,
Who are/is the Jewish "priesthood"? Please excuse my ignorance on this topic I usually try and be somewhat informed before I ask questions. If there is nothing left of the OT Jews and Israel is not the Jewish homeland why are so many people flocking there to live who are Jewish? They believe that Israel belongs to them and not Palestine. It is sort of like Mexico believing that TX, NM, AZ and parts of CA belong to them and they have every right to let Mexican citizens "relocate" and live here. When in fact this is land belonging to the US. I am well familiar with this topic, and so this is how I see Israel, Palestine and the Jewish settlers. This is the best parallel I could come up with to illustrate my point.
Kelly
In God We Trust

 

[Southern Gent]

Well Southern Gent,
Who are/is the Jewish "priesthood"? Please excuse my ignorance on this topic I usually try and be somewhat informed before I ask questions. If there is nothing left of the OT Jews and Israel is not the Jewish homeland why are so many people flocking there to live who are Jewish? They believe that Israel belongs to them and not Palestine. It is sort of like Mexico believing that TX, NM, AZ and parts of CA belong to them and they have every right to let Mexican citizens "relocate" and live here. When in fact this is land belonging to the US. I am well familiar with this topic, and so this is how I see Israel, Palestine and the Jewish settlers. This is the best parallel I could come up with to illustrate my point.
Kelly
In God We Trust

There is no Jewish priesthood...there is now a "royal priesthood" according to the apostle Peter. As far "Jewish" people flocking there? People will do what they do. God forbade the real Jewish nation from marrying others outside. This is why lineage was so important. Very, very few people on this earth if any are true Jews. There are those who claim Jewish blood and there may be some in the bloodline no doubt but it is not pure. Traditions are hard to break and just because someone claims something does not make it so. A Jewish woman married to an American/Saudi/Syrian/Egyptian man does not produce a true Jewish child. In tradition maybe..in bloodline absolutely not.

 

[CartHeadMod]

Carthead...of course I agree that the entire world AND the universe belong to God. I guess my question to Southern Gent was why he believes the land being fought over by Palestine and Israel belongs to Palestine. What the Jews from the OT days have in common with the Jews of today is their religion. It hasn't changed in thousands of years, well except for the live sacrifices. I guess I am missing some piece of information that would make this situation less murky in my eyes.
Kelly
In God We Trust

just trying to stave off an unnecessary argument.....

 

[KellyinAZ]

CartHeadMod,

If you read post #232 I plainly stated I was not trying to cause trouble, so I don't understand your comment about

"just trying to stave off an unnecessary argument.....".

I was hoping for some clarification, not an argument.

Thanks Southern Gent.

Kelly
In God We Trust

 

[KellyinAZ]

Hi all,
I get a newsletter from Joel Rosenberg, who is an author among many other things. This is the "flash mail" I got from him today. I hope I can copy and paste his words here because they deal with Israel and the Jewish and Palestinian situation we discussed earlier in this thread...


WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, THE VATICAN'S LATEST, PAINFUL PRONOUNCEMENT ON ISRAEL IS WRONG

* Come to Israel and the Epicenter Conference with The Joshua Fund in 2011 to show your love for the Jewish people.
By Joel C. Rosenberg
(Jacksonville, Florida, October 25, 2010) -- A new headline in the Jerusalem Post reads: "Vatican synod calls for end to Israel's 'occupation': At conference on Christians in the Middle East, U.S. Melkite archbishop says: 'There is no longer a chosen people.'"

With all due respect, the Vatican is wrong on this issue. The entire Bible - from Genesis to Revelation - makes crystal clear again and again the Lord's love for the Jewish people, His decision to choose Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob and their descendants for His very own, and His eternal promise to give the Holy Land to the Jewish people. As such, it is the duty of all true followers of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ to bless Israel and reaffirm her fundamental legitimacy and right to the Land. Yes, we should bless and love the Palestinians, as well, because our Lord Jesus said as a Jew living in Israel, "Love your neighbor," and, "Love your enemies." But we should never accept the false teaching that God has rejected the Jewish people or rescinded His promises to the nation of Israel. That simply is not Biblical.

In Genesis chapter 12:1-3, the Lord makes it clear He has chosen Abram to "make a great nation" and the Lord says to him, "I will bless you and make your name great; and so you shall be a blessing; and I will bless those who bless you, and the one who curses you I will curse, and in you all the families of the earth will be blessed." In Genesis 13:14-18, the Lord specifically takes Abraham to the land we now call Israel and said, "Now lift up your eyes and look from the place where you are (the Jordan Valley), northward and southward and eastward and westward; for all the land which you see, I will give it to you and to your descendants forever."

Doesn't "forever" mean forever?

Interestingly, the Apostle Paul prophetically anticipated that the Christians in Rome would one day think that God would reject the Jewish people and His promises to them because many Jews initially rejected Jesus as the Messiah. So Paul wrote this in his letter to the Romans, chapter 11, verse 1 and 2: "I say then, God has not rejected His people, has He? May it never be! For I too am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. God has not rejected His people whom He foreknew."

On the weblog, I've posted several more key passages from the Old Testament and New Testament, all of which affirm the Lord's love for the Jewish people and for the nation of Israel. Indeed, in the Book of Revelation, we specifically see the nation of Israel regathered and playing a key role in the End Times. God defends Israel. God fights for Israel against her enemies. God blesses Israel and the Jewish people. And then the Lord Jesus Christ Himself comes with His saints to reign from Jerusalem. To deny such truths is to deeply and fundamentally misunderstand the Word of God.

May I encourage you, brothers and sisters, to share this message with others. Be kind towards the Catholic leaders. Let us show them the mistakes they are making, but do so in love. Let us also teach followers of Jesus Christ around the world the Lord's deep love and compassion for the Jewish people, and His desire that they - and all people - come to faith in Messiah Jesus.

At the same time, please prayerfully consider becoming involved in The Joshua Fund to bless Israel and her neighbors in the name of Jesus in real and practical ways. And please prayerfully consider coming to Israel and the Epicenter Conference in Israel next May. Thank you, and God bless you.

[For more, and the latest headlines from the Middle East, please go to the weblog -- http://flashtrafficblog.wordpress.com/]

Learn more about The Joshua Fund's "Prayer & Vision Tour" to Israel and the 2011 Epicenter Conference in Jerusalem (and watch an on-line video describing it all)

Help The Joshua Fund teach Christians around the world about God's love and plan Israel and her neighbors, and help us distribute food, clothing, medical supplies and other humanitarian relief.

Joel's website/weblog -- Joel Rosenberg.

Order your copy of Joel's new novel, "The Twelfth Imam."

To go to Joel's weblog, please click here

Looking for 50 visionary pastors to lead tours to Israel and the Epicenter Conference in May 2011

Be well,
Kelly
In God We Trust

 

[Southern Gent]

Hi all,
I get a newsletter from Joel Rosenberg, who is an author among many other things. This is the "flash mail" I got from him today. I hope I can copy and paste his words here because they deal with Israel and the Jewish and Palestinian situation we discussed earlier in this thread...


WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, THE VATICAN'S LATEST, PAINFUL PRONOUNCEMENT ON ISRAEL IS WRONG

* Come to Israel and the Epicenter Conference with The Joshua Fund in 2011 to show your love for the Jewish people.
By Joel C. Rosenberg
(Jacksonville, Florida, October 25, 2010) -- A new headline in the Jerusalem Post reads: "Vatican synod calls for end to Israel's 'occupation': At conference on Christians in the Middle East, U.S. Melkite archbishop says: 'There is no longer a chosen people.'"

With all due respect, the Vatican is wrong on this issue. The entire Bible - from Genesis to Revelation - makes crystal clear again and again the Lord's love for the Jewish people, His decision to choose Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob and their descendants for His very own, and His eternal promise to give the Holy Land to the Jewish people. As such, it is the duty of all true followers of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ to bless Israel and reaffirm her fundamental legitimacy and right to the Land. Yes, we should bless and love the Palestinians, as well, because our Lord Jesus said as a Jew living in Israel, "Love your neighbor," and, "Love your enemies." But we should never accept the false teaching that God has rejected the Jewish people or rescinded His promises to the nation of Israel. That simply is not Biblical.

In Genesis chapter 12:1-3, the Lord makes it clear He has chosen Abram to "make a great nation" and the Lord says to him, "I will bless you and make your name great; and so you shall be a blessing; and I will bless those who bless you, and the one who curses you I will curse, and in you all the families of the earth will be blessed." In Genesis 13:14-18, the Lord specifically takes Abraham to the land we now call Israel and said, "Now lift up your eyes and look from the place where you are (the Jordan Valley), northward and southward and eastward and westward; for all the land which you see, I will give it to you and to your descendants forever."

Doesn't "forever" mean forever?

Interestingly, the Apostle Paul prophetically anticipated that the Christians in Rome would one day think that God would reject the Jewish people and His promises to them because many Jews initially rejected Jesus as the Messiah. So Paul wrote this in his letter to the Romans, chapter 11, verse 1 and 2: "I say then, God has not rejected His people, has He? May it never be! For I too am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. God has not rejected His people whom He foreknew."

On the weblog, I've posted several more key passages from the Old Testament and New Testament, all of which affirm the Lord's love for the Jewish people and for the nation of Israel. Indeed, in the Book of Revelation, we specifically see the nation of Israel regathered and playing a key role in the End Times. God defends Israel. God fights for Israel against her enemies. God blesses Israel and the Jewish people. And then the Lord Jesus Christ Himself comes with His saints to reign from Jerusalem. To deny such truths is to deeply and fundamentally misunderstand the Word of God.

May I encourage you, brothers and sisters, to share this message with others. Be kind towards the Catholic leaders. Let us show them the mistakes they are making, but do so in love. Let us also teach followers of Jesus Christ around the world the Lord's deep love and compassion for the Jewish people, and His desire that they - and all people - come to faith in Messiah Jesus.

At the same time, please prayerfully consider becoming involved in The Joshua Fund to bless Israel and her neighbors in the name of Jesus in real and practical ways. And please prayerfully consider coming to Israel and the Epicenter Conference in Israel next May. Thank you, and God bless you.

[For more, and the latest headlines from the Middle East, please go to the weblog -- http://flashtrafficblog.wordpress.com/]

Learn more about The Joshua Fund's "Prayer & Vision Tour" to Israel and the 2011 Epicenter Conference in Jerusalem (and watch an on-line video describing it all)

Help The Joshua Fund teach Christians around the world about God's love and plan Israel and her neighbors, and help us distribute food, clothing, medical supplies and other humanitarian relief.

Joel's website/weblog -- Joel Rosenberg.

Order your copy of Joel's new novel, "The Twelfth Imam."

To go to Joel's weblog, please click here

Looking for 50 visionary pastors to lead tours to Israel and the Epicenter Conference in May 2011

Be well,
Kelly
In God We Trust

The problem with the whole thing is to claim that God rejected. God didn't reject anyone so the whole thing is under false premise. The text from Romans is grossly misused. The people of Israel have the same opportunity to go to heaven that anyone else does..no more no less. The promise of God still stands to them in the same manner but not theirs exclusively. God has never rejected, God has remained unchanged....but someone did. This is Christian Zionism joining forces with Jewish Zionism and it was unknown nor practiced by the early church. They are both wrong...both the Vatican for claiming God has left the Jewish people without hope and the pastor for proclaiming they have some special right after 2000 years in the sight of God.

 

[Saintscruiser]

There is no Jewish priesthood...there is now a "royal priesthood" according to the apostle Peter. As far "Jewish" people flocking there? People will do what they do. God forbade the real Jewish nation from marrying others outside. This is why lineage was so important. Very, very few people on this earth if any are true Jews. There are those who claim Jewish blood and there may be some in the bloodline no doubt but it is not pure. Traditions are hard to break and just because someone claims something does not make it so. A Jewish woman married to an American/Saudi/Syrian/Egyptian man does not produce a true Jewish child. In tradition maybe..in bloodline absolutely not.

The Jewish priesthood is the Levite tribe. Within the past couple of years, there was a calling to the Wailing Wall for all Levite descendants. How did they know they were Levite? Because only the Levite tribe has a certain chromosome that none of the other 11 tribes of Jacob have. The Israeli's have already begun re-creating all priest wear for the temple that will be built. They, many years back were doing a world wide search for a perfect red heifer. MS sent a handful of red heifers to Israel to help with this. Perfect re-creation of everything is in the works. The temple will be rebuilt, but not until a peace treaty with Israel is signed with the anti-christ, which will be right after the rapture.

If the mother is Jewish, by Israeli law, any children are considered Jewish and welcomed into Israel. If the father is Jewish, a full blooded Jew like my daddy, I cannot be considered an Israeli.

Yes, the Jews rejected Jesus.....but, if that hadn't happened, I wouldn't be grafted into the vine......or any other Christian. SG, you know I love ya, but what you're saying really goes against Scripture. Can you validate this stance or is this a personal opinion?

 

[Southern Gent]

The Jewish priesthood is the Levite tribe. Within the past couple of years, there was a calling to the Wailing Wall for all Levite descendants. How did they know they were Levite? Because only the Levite tribe has a certain chromosome that none of the other 11 tribes of Jacob have. The Israeli's have already begun re-creating all priest wear for the temple that will be built. They, many years back were doing a world wide search for a perfect red heifer. MS sent a handful of red heifers to Israel to help with this. Perfect re-creation of everything is in the works. The temple will be rebuilt, but not until a peace treaty with Israel is signed with the anti-christ, which will be right after the rapture.

If the mother is Jewish, by Israeli law, any children are considered Jewish and welcomed into Israel. If the father is Jewish, a full blooded Jew like my daddy, I cannot be considered an Israeli.

Yes, the Jews rejected Jesus.....but, if that hadn't happened, I wouldn't be grafted into the vine......or any other Christian. SG, you know I love ya, but what you're saying really goes against Scripture. Can you validate this stance or is this a personal opinion?

Does a CMH prove Cohen ancestry?
One source of early confusion was a widespread popular notion that only Cohens or only Jews could have the Cohen Modal Haplotype. It is now clear that this is not the case. The Cohen Modal Haplotype (CMH), whilst notably frequent amongst Cohens, is also far from unusual in the general populations of haplogroups J1 and J2 with no particular link to the Cohen ancestry. These haplogroups occur widely throughout the Middle East and beyond. Thus, while many Cohens have haplotypes close to the CMH, a greater number of such haplotypes worldwide belong to people with no likely Cohen connection at all.
Sis it doesn't matter what the Jewish law is concerning anything..it is about God's law.
Yes you would have been "grafted" in..But ye shall receive power, when the Holy Spirit is come upon you: and ye shall be my witnesses both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea and Samaria,(Gentile) and unto the uttermost part of the earth. The apostles would offer the Jew the same deal as anyone else...yes even after the Lord's death. The 1st Christians were in fact converted Jews.
7Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and the rest of the apostles, Brethren, what shall we do? .38And Peter said unto them, Repent ye, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ unto the remission of your sins; and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. .39For to you is the promise, and to your children,(Jews) and to all that are afar off, (Gentiles) even as many as the Lord our God shall call unto him.

 

[blondeambition3]

I beg to differ strongly Southern Gent.. the Israel of the Bible is the land that the Jewish People (pure or not) inhabit today.. and it's belonged to them for over three thousand years and I have ample proof of that! You know scripture better than "I" do so I don't have to quote the 'promise' of God to Abraham concerning Issaic's seed/descendent's (Israel being a forever inheritance!) and the 'I will bless those who bless you (concerning Israel) and I will curse those who curse you". This is NUTS that anyone would believe that Israel belongs to the Palestinians.. has the entire World simply gone mad with all of the Media hype nowadays? Here... read these FACTS, (You won't find them on Google for reasons I'd rather not discuss here): Seven Reasons that Israel belongs to the Jews | Israel News, Information, Zionism, and Aliyah
Christ was right.. if People aren't going to believe HIS WORD then what good would His appearing in the flesh matter?
I won't be back to this thread again.. this is 'it' for me.... theology/smeology.. it's insane when People can't discern what GOD stated clearly!...

I hate to keep 'having' to repeat this again & again, but I was married to a Lebanese Arab for 16 years... and I know many good Palestinians, I love them and I love the Muslim People.. but by the same token I KNOW all about the Islamic Fundamentalist movement and the PLO and other radical Islamic Sects that aren't going to rest until they've driven every JEW over the edge of the Mountain and into the Ocean! They want Israel and all Jews dead and I can't believe anybody here in the US would agree with their sick motives and outright lies. Enough already! Do some REAL research and stop reading all those 'fuzzy' History sources ... I'm beginning to think everyone is on board with the Anti-Christ.

 

[Southern Gent]

I beg to differ strongly Southern Gent.. the Israel of the Bible is the land that the Jewish People (pure or not) inhabit today.. and it's belonged to them for over three thousand years and I have ample proof of that! You know scripture better than "I" do so I don't have to quote the 'promise' of God to Abraham concerning Issaic's seed/descendent's (Israel being a forever inheritance!) and the 'I will bless those who bless you (concerning Israel) and I will curse those who curse you". This is NUTS that anyone would believe that Israel belongs to the Palestinians.. has the entire World simply gone mad with all of the Media hype nowadays? Here... read these FACTS, (You won't find them on Google for reasons I'd rather not discuss here): Seven Reasons that Israel belongs to the Jews | Israel News, Information, Zionism, and Aliyah
Christ was right.. if People aren't going to believe HIS WORD then what good would His appearing in the flesh matter?
I won't be back to this thread again.. this is 'it' for me.... theology/smeology.. it's insane when People can't discern what GOD stated clearly!...

I hate to keep 'having' to repeat this again & again, but I was married to a Lebanese Arab for 16 years... and I know many good Palestinians, I love them and I love the Muslim People.. but by the same token I KNOW all about the Islamic Fundamentalist movement and the PLO and other radical Islamic Sects that aren't going to rest until they've driven every JEW over the edge of the Mountain and into the Ocean! They want Israel and all Jews dead and I can't believe anybody here in the US would agree with their sick motives and outright lies. Enough already! Do some REAL research and stop reading all those 'fuzzy' History sources ... I'm beginning to think everyone is on board with the Anti-Christ.

You can follow Zionism if you choose to do so.

 

[Saintscruiser]

Okay.....using your logic, I guess the 10 Commandments aren't valid anymore, the Proverbs aren't really pearls of wisdom, and the 23rd Psalm is not relavent. Because if one part of the Old Testament is wrong, then all of it is wrong. Yes? 'I will bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you.' The Scripture about the Jews coming from all over to a land' which happened on May 15, 1948, per the Bible, is wrong as well? Almighty God named them as His chosen. Yes, they are now living in the age of Grace and many Jews are becoming Christians. See the Jews for Jesus website.

Joel Rosenberg is an excellent writer of fiction and non-fiction. I am glad he stood up and declared the vatican to be wrong, because they are. Anti-semitism has gone on in the world for centuries. It's been raising it's ugly head for a long time.