The Philosophy of Coils

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The Cloud Minder

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The Dao of Kanthal???

I'm confused
Are we talking philosophy, craft guilds, mechanical engineering, aerodynamics, physics, automation?
Sounds like a busy semester.

Well kind of all of the above. I would love to have the time and money to experiment physically with all of these areas towards the goal of producing the best coil design, placement, wicking, chamber design et al, but until then, all I can do is muse over the theoretical aspects of all of them, which I call, the philosophy of coils.
 

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Now I have read many things (posts, articles and videos{those these were not "read"}) about coil making with different gauges, ohm levels, series, parallel, etc. etc. but few things on a big picture of all. I know a lot of people love the current "art" aspect of making coils, and cuddle in the warm of artistic glow over a particularly well crafted coil. But what that situation is, really, is ignorance. Not of the crafter specifically, that person less ignorant by reason of the crafting, but exhibiting ignorance in the area as well. I am not a coil crafter, I am a coil builder, so I am more ignorant than the crafter.

<You may be asking yourself the question, "what the ____ is he talking about?">

Anyhow, picture the very best coil you ever made, what if we took that coil and had it copied? Truly measured construction, angles twists, turn angles leg angles, etc. Etc.

We should be able to have a machine, duplicate all parameters, thus having a perfect coil making machine. (Please, I am aware of pre made coils, so don't, just don't) Even if we didn't do that, you would have "the formula" exactly. If you make your build exactly like this, within human limits, every time, it's going to come out the same, roughly. The worst part is the specifications for that perfect coil are going to be different depending on the actual resistance , wicking and wicking materials, airflow etc. But their at least has to be a fairly standard build of coil for each atomizer, that satisfies MOST people.

Maybe I'm wrong, ... maybe there are way more people who are only satisfied under a narrow range of vaping parameters.

So many other things ...

turbulance experts designing the inside of the atty (i want to hit the lottery so I can hire Dyson to design my atomizer)

gaseous behavior engineering knowledge.

directed airflow (precision level, not "point the holes at the coils")


... Musings of a back porch Cloud Minder.


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How do you like your steak? I like mine medium well, with a dusting of fresh cracked pepper, and steak sauce.

There's no one coil for everyone, just like there's no one juice for everyone.

That being said, I think a 9 wrap, 1.5mm ID micro coil is an excellent place to start. Choose the wire gauge to match the resistance you want.
 

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I am musing this discussion because I am planning my first coil build.:confused: I have enough info to purchase the stuff (some) but I don't lack willingness. I approached a vape shop in Fort Worth, last evening. They are more than willing to start me out and teach me. Weird, but I kinda understand "Cloud Minder". But studied a lot of philosophy in college and grad school. Needless to say, I have found when frustration sets in on anything one i trying to perfect or learn, teach someone else. For me, I appreciate the experience and willingness of all the coil builders i have met to share and listen. Everyone on here, is making a contribution to this fine art of vaping. Thanks for all you are doing and particularly for those of you who are willing to teach someone who is teachable. All the best!
 

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How do you like your steak? I like mine medium well, with a dusting of fresh cracked pepper, and steak sauce.

There's no one coil for everyone, just like there's no one juice for everyone.

That being said, I think a 9 wrap, 1.5mm ID micro coil is an excellent place to start. Choose the wire gauge to match the resistance you want.

Yes, I understand that, which is why I said "most" people and not "all" people.

Just like there is no drink fir everyone, but there are drinks that sit just fine with a slim majority of people, that's kinda what I'm talking about in a coil.
 

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You know, in a lot of Eastern philosophies, the quest for perfection has taught many of its students a singular lesson: the goal is not achievable but the journey to it is what really counts!

On a less philosophical note, you might also consider establishing some quantifiable variables to measure first! Not subjective elements such as taste, but objective ones like volume of vapor per unit of time for a given suction vacuum pressure. Kind of difficult to set up and provides very little return on investment, except maybe ECF bragging rights ;)
 

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Some of us enjoy vaping not just to satisfy nicotine cravings, but as a hobby as well. Even with your car analogy, some like subaru, some Toyota, some Chevy, and some even like mini vans. It's personal preference and that is all over the place hence the huge variety of devices and accessories. There isn't one juice we will all agree on, nor is there apparently a coil we can all agree on. I build my coils a certain way and experiment sometimes. There have been times when I have built what I consider to be an amazing coil. The flavor to me is heaven. I'll be so excited about it and love it so much I can't wait to share it. So I'll bring it to my wife (who also vapes) and tell her "you have got to try this!" Only to have her choke and gag and wonder how in the world can I be vaping on that? Point is to each his own. There aren't many things that are a one size fits all. Be greatful for the huge variety and the kindness of others who freely share their trials, accomplishments and discoveries.
 

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Read up on spring manufacturing... All the repeatable coil winding technology you're thinking about! Here is a science behind it but in terms of vaping, the precision is just not required, as I doubt most people would distinguish the third place figure in their ohm value as it varies from build to build (of the same type/coil number/diameter)! But the Dyson idea would make your atty cost $600 and only work with the included laser and GPS chip ;)
You're missing a few zeros. He wants to pay for the design, not a production unit. [emoji56]
 

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Yes, I understand that, which is why I said "most" people and not "all" people.

Just like there is no drink fir everyone, but there are drinks that sit just fine with a slim majority of people, that's kinda what I'm talking about in a coil.

Yes, I understand that, which is why I said "That being said, I think a 9 wrap, 1.5mm ID micro coil is an excellent place to start. Choose the wire gauge to match the resistance you want."

The micro coil is basically the rebuildable version of the cisco spec coil, which is the go to factory made dripping atomizer, and I truly do think it is THE coil of the masses, BUT you still have to account for variation, so you can choose your gauge to match your personal preferences.
 

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Why hasn't the technology progressed to further levels. Where are my tuned manifold atty covers? Where are the specs on the best performance coil for a Veritas etc. etc.


First of all, the technology HAS progressed to further levels. When did you start vaping? I see the technology of vaping evolve LITERALLY every month, give or take.

The thing is, coil technology is more on the consumer side of things, NOT on the manufacturer side of things. Why? Many reasons. 1) The profit/money isn't ever going to be in manufacturing little coils. The money is in e-liquid, mods, and atomizers.

2. Coils are a very specific thing. Why spend big bucks on a machine that can produce coils? Where is the incentive for a business to do that?


As far coils evolving on the consumer side of things, they have, and do....big time! Check out rip trippers' videos.
 

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Yes, I understand that, which is why I said "That being said, I think a 9 wrap, 1.5mm ID micro coil is an excellent place to start. Choose the wire gauge to match the resistance you want."

The micro coil is basically the rebuildable version of the cisco spec coil, which is the go to factory made dripping atomizer, and I truly do think it is THE coil of the masses, BUT you still have to account for variation, so you can choose your gauge to match your personal preferences.

Yes, I understand that, which is why I'm saying, In a house, there lived a mouse, who wanted to eat some pie. The pie was spoiled, the mouse was foiled, and the germy little rodent died.

Do not limit yourself to perfection.
 

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And your issue is ...
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May I ask how any philosopher has enhanced your vaping experience?

Thanx fer da fun. At least ya got your post count up! <click>

I have no issue with clones.

I'm the philosopher in this case, not some De Carte.

Post count? Seriously, LOL. Why should I give a swut about a post count? Do I win something if I get it high? I mean I'm well passed the "5" required to get off the newbie board, so seriously, why would I care about post count? LOL.
 
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