The Rate of Bannings and Florida

[McVapor]

Okay, It has become vary apparent to me how fast [UK, States] are being banned! I see and hear about banning from several diffrent places and I want to know if Florida is next on the list. And What could we do to preemptively cushion the blow? I am doing my individual part by raising awareness to people in my life but I feel that we are too small of 'cult' to stop such a powerful force. I am of course referring to the tobacco industry.

Oh I also thought about if awareness is raised enough, this could trigger a response to the question "should this be banned?" prematurely. We wouldn't want that. I may not be the most politically involved but I want to make a diffrence! The PV very well could have saved both me and my best friend's life.

 

[Bill Godshall]

McVapor wrote:
"It has become vary apparent to me how fast [UK, States] are being banned!"

That's not correct. Of the bills introduced in CA, UT, MD, IL and NY to ban the sale of e-cigarettes, the bills were defeated in CA, UT, MD, and apparently in IL (we should know for sure by next week).

So NY is the only state where we're now facing a potential ban on e-cigarette sales.

Also, I was informed that the UK MHMR has extended the public comment period an additional month (until June) on its proposed e-cigarette regulation/ban.

 

[Vocalek]

McVapor: It is not the tobacco industry behind these attempts to ban.

In March, 2009, the American Cancer Society Cancer Action Network, the American Heart Association, the American Lung Association and the Campaign for tobacco-Free Kids issued a joint press release, urging the FDA to remove electronic cigarettes from the market. “While the FDA currently does not have jurisdiction over tobacco products, it does have jurisdiction over other products that contain nicotine including e-cigarettes, which have been marketed as delivering nicotine without tobacco.” Statement of the American Cancer Society Cancer Action Network, American Heart Association, American Lung Association and the Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids

Additional Examples:
http://www.lungusa.org/associations/states/new-york/publicpolicy/assets/memo9529.pdf
http://www.iafp.com/legislative/SB3174e-cigarettes.pdf

 

[(So) Jersey Girl]

McVapor: It is not the tobacco industry behind these attempts to ban.

In March, 2009, the American Cancer Society Cancer Action Network, the American Heart Association, the American Lung Association and the Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids issued a joint press release, urging the FDA to remove electronic cigarettes from the market. “While the FDA currently does not have jurisdiction over tobacco products, it does have jurisdiction over other products that contain nicotine including e-cigarettes, which have been marketed as delivering nicotine without tobacco.” Statement of the American Cancer Society Cancer Action Network, American Heart Association, American Lung Association and the Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids

Additional Examples:
http://www.lungusa.org/associations/states/new-york/publicpolicy/assets/memo9529.pdf
http://www.iafp.com/legislative/SB3174e-cigarettes.pdf

The second link (iafp.com) is showing "page not found"

 

[Vocalek]

Hmm...maybe they deleted the document. Wait...the whole website is gone?

 

[McVapor]

oh wow, so its the youth that want ecigs to get around under18 sales? If the FDA is banning them and making them 'medical devices', how hard would it be to get one? If it was easy for someone 18+ to get a license to possess it (similar to fishing licenses I guess) then I wouldn't mind. That would give the DEA a reason to enforce underage vaping and provide us with a means to quit smoking.

Why doesn't this happen?

 

[BadState]

McVapor: It is not the tobacco industry behind these attempts to ban.

In March, 2009, the American Cancer Society Cancer Action Network, the American Heart Association, the American Lung Association and the Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids issued a joint press release, urging the FDA to remove electronic cigarettes from the market. “While the FDA currently does not have jurisdiction over tobacco products, it does have jurisdiction over other products that contain nicotine including e-cigarettes, which have been marketed as delivering nicotine without tobacco.” Statement of the American Cancer Society Cancer Action Network, American Heart Association, American Lung Association and the Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids

Additional Examples:
http://www.lungusa.org/associations/states/new-york/publicpolicy/assets/memo9529.pdf
http://www.iafp.com/legislative/SB3174e-cigarettes.pdf

Quoted from the first PDF:

"Most experts agree that these products have their greatest appeal to new smokers, 90% of whom are teens or younger. Established smokers are unlikely to give up their favorite brands for these new products."

Boy, those so called experts have no clue, do they? I'm pretty sure 99% of us are former established smokers.

 

[JustJulie]

McVapor wrote:
"It has become vary apparent to me how fast [UK, States] are being banned!"

That's not correct. Of the bills introduced in CA, UT, MD, IL and NY to ban the sale of e-cigarettes, the bills were defeated in CA, UT, MD, and apparently in IL (we should know for sure by next week).

So NY is the only state where we're now facing a potential ban on e-cigarette sales.

Also, I was informed that the UK MHMR has extended the public comment period an additional month (until June) on its proposed e-cigarette regulation/ban.

Illinois is indeed dead. The Illinois House site was updated yesterday afternoon to reflect that SB 3174 was re-referred to the Rules Committee per Rule 19(a) . . . basically, the bill didn't meet the deadline to get out of Committee, so it's back to the Rules Committee to die for the session.

 

[Vocalek]

Quoted from the first PDF:

"Most experts agree that these products have their greatest appeal to new smokers, 90% of whom are teens or younger. Established smokers are unlikely to give up their favorite brands for these new products."

Boy, those so called experts have no clue, do they? I'm pretty sure 99% of us are former established smokers.

Of the 857 people that have taken the CASAA survey so far, only 2 (0.23%) people answered that they did not smoke before using the e-cigarette. Through the forum, we do know of one non-smoker who took up using the e-cigarette with no nicotine so that he could go out and socialize with his friends that are smokers without having to take up the unhealthy practice of smoking real tobacco cigarettess.

So that works out to 99.77% were established smokers. 57.2% smoked for more than 20 years, which gives you a clue to the age of users: The age brackets show a bell-shaped curve with 0% in the under 18 and in the 80 years and older ranges. The majority of users are clustered in the ranges between ages 30 and 59 (total of 76.6% in the three brackets).

76.8% now use no tobacco products at all.

Remember, these are preliminary results. We are only halfway to the goal of 1500 responses.

 

[Vocalek]

Illinois is indeed dead. The Illinois House site was updated yesterday afternoon to reflect that SB 3174 was re-referred to the Rules Committee per Rule 19(a) . . . basically, the bill didn't meet the deadline to get out of Committee, so it's back to the Rules Committee to die for the session.

Fabulous news. Good work, gang. Click the dot to view animation.

 

[McVapor]

So How can we make a difference? I don't just want to sit back and see what happens. We have some pretty amazing data, but will they listen? Who would be the spokesperson

 

[v1John]

In Illinois, vapers attended the committee meeting, and were prepared to attend again this week. It seems vital for state vaping residents to attend and make it known they are there, their presence can be noted and recorded.

Right now NY needs help badly, if anyone has friends or family in NY who can attend the meetings and let their representatives know, please let them know quickly.

 

[Esmoking-NY]

fight the fight

 

[McVapor]

fight the fight

Here here!


So we can only play defense is what your saying? lame

 

[lonercom]

As far as Florida is concerned, the Legislature does not have this on their agenda and the session ends next week.

 

[Tampa2]

McVapor,
While I do not think we have much to worry about in Florida. We do have an Attorney here in Tampa. (Family) And we discuss this with him constantly about the other States. I just hope that it isn't Federal when/if there is a problem.