The Really Big RY4 Roundup (long)

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Midas RY4

I have been vaping a DIY TPA Double RY4 for the past couple of days and with a double like that it has really strong flavor so this new juice I got in seems a little weak in taste but I will play nice.

Midas RY4 is a nice classic USA RY4, I would not really say custom on this one because its taste is a classic style but with a USA flavoring so that anyone would like it, a slight smokeyness to it, sweet at the end with some sour, caramel seems to lead with a toffee taste. There is no big surprises here with this RY4 really kinda of just boring, its good but not good enough to make me think of a reorder right now. A werther's candy this juice could be but at the end of the day it is a classic RY4, candy coated to get by. I would give this juice an A and the reason Midas played it safe and made a sweet RY4 that pretty much that anyone would like.


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hi Mr Bill,

I have a loosely related ry4 question ... also, I did read that you no longer vape any Dekang liquids, I'm wondering your reasons ?

my question/confession is that I like Dekang Dunhill ... I know the real Dunhills had various flavors back in the day, the current Dekang juice tastes silky/creamy smooth on inhale, with a strong tobacco throat hit (18 mg hits like 24) on exhale ... not sure if it is vanilla, caramel, toffee, a combination, or something else, my taste buds are still shot after 40 yrs of smoking, but 4 yrs vaping ... I've not vaped many ry4's nor have I vaped much Dunhill, it was a recent test/discovery, I was sent a sample, liked it ... I've had a NET fetish for the last year, so this is different

iirc, it was marketed as a "luxury" cigarette and everyone from James Bond to John Lennon smoked 'em ... and it does taste luxurious, at least on inhale, but it teases, the flavor does not explode as I wish it would ... the taste memory of the real Dunhills I smoked are long gone, so it doesn't have to be spot on, just looking for a similar alternative

my question is: to your knowledge, does anyone in the U.S. make a similar or stronger flavored tasting Dekang Dunhill blend, even if it might be called an "RY4" ?

Ive found (and already contacted) a few US Dunhill vendors, but they either import, re-label, or don't mix their own Dunhill version ... I understand why vendors don't make it, Dunhill was not very popular here in the US, but it was and still is popular everywhere else in the world ... I'm a little uneasy about continuing to vape Dekang, and of course I would prefer to support our own vendors

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never tried these but they look custom
Gold Dunhill E-Liquid Smoke Juice - My Freedom Smokes

http://vapingzone.com/product-info.php?VZ_USA_Dunhill_E-Liquid_-pid597.html

hi Mr Bill,

I have a loosely related ry4 question ... also, I did read that you no longer vape any Dekang liquids, I'm wondering your reasons ?

my question/confession is that I like Dekang Dunhill ... I know the real Dunhills had various flavors back in the day, the current Dekang juice tastes silky/creamy smooth on inhale, with a strong tobacco throat hit (18 mg hits like 24) on exhale ... not sure if it is vanilla, caramel, toffee, a combination, or something else, my taste buds are still shot after 40 yrs of smoking, but 4 yrs vaping ... I've not vaped many ry4's nor have I vaped much Dunhill, it was a recent test/discovery, I was sent a sample, liked it ... I've had a NET fetish for the last year, so this is different

iirc, it was marketed as a "luxury" cigarette and everyone from James Bond to John Lennon smoked 'em ... and it does taste luxurious, at least on inhale, but it teases, the flavor does not explode as I wish it would ... the taste memory of the real Dunhills I smoked are long gone, so it doesn't have to be spot on, just looking for a similar alternative

my question is: to your knowledge, does anyone in the U.S. make a similar or stronger flavored tasting Dekang Dunhill blend, even if it might be called an "RY4" ?

Ive found (and already contacted) a few US Dunhill vendors, but they either import, re-label, or don't mix their own Dunhill version ... I understand why vendors don't make it, Dunhill was not very popular here in the US, but it was and still is popular everywhere else in the world ... I'm a little uneasy about continuing to vape Dekang, and of course I would prefer to support our own vendors

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thanks passerbyeus,

never tried it....

not many have

as I said, I have contacted a few vendors, most have been honest, told me they import, some only sell PG Dunhill, I'm a bit sensitive to PG, some vendors I've tried in the past and won't use again ... I have various reasons why I'm still looking, even if the taste I'm seeking turns out to be an oddball ry variant

and I'm still curious why Mr Bill doesn't vape Dekang anymore

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hi Mr Bill, I did read that you no longer vape any Dekang liquids, I'm wondering your reasons ?

my question is: to your knowledge, does anyone in the U.S. make a similar or stronger flavored tasting Dekang Dunhill blend, even if it might be called an "RY4"?

bbb,

I don't have a "policy" of not vaping Dekang liquids. In fact, I still vape Dekang RY4 from time to time, mostly for comparison testing against other Classic RY4s. I have no ax to grind against Dekang or their juices, but NETs are about the only retail juices I purchase at this point, and Dekang doesn't make any bonafide NETs. The only major juice manufacturer I'm aware of that produces a "natural" tobacco line is Hangsen, and theirs is based solely on Tobacco Absolute rather than true NET. I know, because I've tried them.

The number of synthetic, lab-based tobacco juices I vape (from any source, not just Dekang) has dwindled down to almost none. I might order a sweet/dessert liquid on rare occasions from one of the artisan juice vendors, such as Highbrow (Limoncello, Orange Sangria, Cheesecake Torte) or AliceinVapeland (Lemon Loves Cake), but that's very infrequent, since I DIY almost all my non-tobacco juices now. I've even begun my first real tobacco extraction---the maceration is in its second week of no-heat steeping.

There is, of course, a difference in recipe profiles, flavorings used, and overall flavor between juices created for the typical Chinese palate and those created for an American taste sensibility, but, as far as I know, Dekang is well aware of those cultural differences and has them covered, with separate eliquid lines for their domestic market in China and export to America/Europe. With a tobacco flavor such as Dunhill---based on a European cigarette---I assume that Dekang makes only a single version. I might be wrong about that, though.

Nothing wrong with Dekang in my book. It's just that I have a lots of juices I like better.


to your knowledge, does anyone in the U.S. make a similar or stronger flavored tasting Dekang Dunhill blend, even if it might be called an "RY4"?

I'm unaware of anyone making/selling a custom Dunhill blend (beyond the standard Chinese offerings), although passerbyeus may have found a couple above. I'd be interested in a Dunhill NET, however, or a Nat Sherman NET, for that matter.
 

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I'd be interested in a Dunhill NET, however, or a Nat Sherman NET, for that matter.

Bill, speaking of synthetic vs NETs, as mainly a NET vapor who also likes to dab into synthetics I plan on getting the sample pack of epipemods "pipe sauce" once they come back in stock. Have you had any of those? I'm not sure how they'll hold up to the multitude of NETs I have comming in, but hear that they are really good as synthetics.

I didn't realize you were working on your own maceration. Congrats on the initiative and good luck with the final product! I smoked a coffee-infused Drew Estate Tobak Especial cigar last night and I was thinking how amazing it would work as a NET with it's coffee and chocolate tones, and just maybe I'll get the desire to do my own maceration one day.

You mentioned a Nat Sherman NET and wanted to comment that I picked up a pack of their Classic when getting some cigars from a tobacco shop. Very good cigarette indeed, though still very much still a cigarette and cost much more than I would have paid for on a regular basis as a smoke. As a cig NET though, I can see it having a lot of appeal for someone not wanting the cigar or pipe flavors so common in that group.

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Bill, maybe I'll inquire about a custom Dunhill NET, I do know a few friendly vendors

I did say I've been vaping NETS for about a year now, I still have London, Managua, Acid Blondie, Tobak Especial and Cold Infusion in my stash, plus many of the recently popular NETS, both past and present, HHV, GeJ, QuickNic, etc, etc ... but, I may be burned out on NETS, I'm looking for something sweeter, currently testing a few Indigo juices, Eastwood, Oorah, and Eureka is quite nice, but this week I'm still liking Dunhill the best ... I may try a Frankenjuice ... thanks for your reply Bill

Jerms, I've had a couple of Matts Pipe Sauces, and Long Bottom Leaf tastes the strongest, most similar to tobacco but it does taste grassy to me, the TA, I think ? ... just my taste tho, as I have bought his juices a couple times
 
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Jerms, I've had a couple of Matts Pipe Sauces, and Long Bottom Leaf tastes the strongest, most similar to tobacco but it does taste grassy to me, the TA, I think ? ... just my taste tho, as I have bought his juices a couple times

Thanks for the Pipe Sauce info b.

You mention Tobak Especial as a NET you've had. Do you remember if it was in the W2V premium or Vapenstein Line and if it was a limited edition? Or if it's the one called Coffee-Infused cigar their now (they changed their Drew Estate names to sound similar yet not copy the ACID brand name, ie The "Blond" instead of Blondie)?

That would be great if the cigar I smoked last night is the Coffee-Infused NET I have coming in the mail.

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the Tobak Especial I have says "coffee infused cigar" right on the label ... the label is partially worn off, it is very well aged ... most of my current w2v juices are re-purchases, after they changed names ... the names were original when I first started vaping them over a year ago, many of them were freebies from Carol and Donley, whom I met at Vapestock, it was their very first vape fest and I think they'd only been in business a short time ? ... I've been purchasing from them ever since

you may be confusing Coffee Infused Cigar (Tobak Especial) with Cold Infusion (now called CI) a totally different cigar and taste, but both NETS ... Managua, iirc, was the limited edition, but they may have made more ?

I've tried the Vapenstein line and prefer the w2v line, even tho Carol and Donley do all the heavy lifting in the actual making of the V line ... Cold Infusion and Blondie have been my long time favorite NETS, still some of the best imho and one of the very first
 

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Cool thanks for the info! I have each of their current Premium tobaccos coming, Blondie, Coffee-Infused, Cold-Infused, Alcatraz, and Red Pirate. Managua was limited time in the Vapenstein line-up but now they offer it full time. I may try the Managua next time I order and I also want to try the RY4 offerings they have.

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Bill, speaking of synthetic vs NETs, as mainly a NET vapor who also likes to dab into synthetics I plan on getting the sample pack of epipemods "pipe sauce" once they come back in stock. Have you had any of those? I'm not sure how they'll hold up to the multitude of NETs I have comming in, but hear that they are really good as synthetics.

Jerms,

Last November, Scarf-ace sent me a care package that included a 5ml sample bottle of ePipeMods Long Bottom Leaf. I just got it out again and atty-dripped a bit to remind myself how it tastes. Not bad, not bad at all (you might add my unwritten-but-half-implied snotty elitist suffix, "...for a synthetic." LOL). LBL is the only one I've had of the ePipeMods line.

Scarfy also sent me a 15ml bottle of DIY juice made from a MonteCristo cigar NET---her very first maceration experiment. I ended up Frankenjuicing it with an equal amount of a synthetic juice from GoodLifeVapor called Montecristo, which turned out fantastic. Scarf's NET was deep, dark, and flavorful, but no throat hit. The GLV synthetic Montecristo had a similar, if somewhat more artificial flavor, but it was light, bright, and extremely kicky, with a wonderful TH. Together they are divine. I still have more than half of that FrJ Montecristo blend left---since I vape so many different juices every day, I don't go through any single juice very fast.


I didn't realize you were working on your own maceration. Congrats on the initiative and good luck with the final product! I smoked a coffee-infused Drew Estate Tobak Especial cigar last night and I was thinking how amazing it would work as a NET with it's coffee and chocolate tones, and just maybe I'll get the desire to do my own maceration one day.

You mentioned a Nat Sherman NET and wanted to comment that I picked up a pack of their Classic when getting some cigars from a tobacco shop. Very good cigarette indeed, though still very much still a cigarette and cost much more than I would have paid for on a regular basis as a smoke. As a cig NET though, I can see it having a lot of appeal for someone not wanting the cigar or pipe flavors so common in that group.

I haven't purchased any premium tobacco yet, but I still had a carton in the garage of the Native-American-made cigarettes I used to smoke, called Skydancer. All natural, no additives. I haven't had a cigarette in over two years now---after 40 years of hopeless addiction where I loved/hated smoking more than anything else in my life, including other human beings, I quit smoking cold-turkey on my first day of vaping and haven't looked back since. I kept the 12 cartons of Skydancer I had in my stash, thinking that they might come in handy some day as barter money if the dollar ever collapses. You know, in case I ever need to buy a chicken from a local farmer and don't want to pay with a junk silver coin...

Anyway, since Scarfy has inspired so many of us to dive into making our own NETs, I figured that a cheap way for me to try it out would be to see if I could make a "Skydancer" cigarette-based NET. Yeah, the tobacco is old and dry now, but so what? I extruded the tobacco from 30 cig tubes, made a maceration with 120mls of 50/50 PG/VG, and I'm letting it steep (no heat) for three weeks before filtering. This is week two. I have no expectations about the results one way or another---great, terrible, who knows? We'll see. I am, however, intensely curious to see how this gonzo incubation turns out. If, by some miracle, it's terrific, I'll have enough tobacco on hand to make a lifetime supply of extract. LOL. More likely, it'll go right in the garbage, but that's OK too.

The vast majority of retail vendor NETs---or at least the ones where I know the tobaccos used---seem to be made from cigar or pipe tobacco. I'm interested to see how a good cigarette tobacco NET might taste---like an American Nat Sherman or French Gallois.
 

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Bill, I did say I've been vaping NETS for about a year now, I still have London, Managua, Acid Blondie, Tobak Especial and Cold Infusion in my stash, plus many of the recently popular NETS, both past and present, HHV, GeJ, QuickNic, etc, etc ... but, I may be burned out on NETS, I'm looking for something sweeter, currently testing a few Indigo juices, Eastwood, Oorah, and Eureka is quite nice, but this week I'm still liking Dunhill the best ... I may try a Frankenjuice ...

bbb,

Yes, I duly noted that you were an NET vaper. From the post above, you're obviously an old, experienced hand.

I'm friendly with the owner of IndigoVapor, who strikes me as a heckuva nice guy. Another vendor who is a real person first. He generously sent me three of his Indigo tobacco blends: Kick Back, The Duke, and Santa's Sauce. By the way, both Indigo RY4 versions (RY4 and Classic) are very, very good. Classic is downright amazing.

Have you tried the VaporStation line of synthetic tobaccos? Frisco, Tampa, Tennessee, Texas, Phoenix? I don't know your palate, but you might like those. They're made to VaporStation's specs by a flavor company in India and are quite distinctive. I'd guess that you've tried them, but if you haven't...
 

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Is it still possible to acquire Bwb ry4? I have searched and searched but can not find any

Nope. BWB RY4 is gone, like the Montgomery Gentry crossover country song of some years back:

Gone like a freight-train, gone like yesterday
Gone like a soldier in the civil war, bang bang
Gone like a '59 Cadillac
Like all the good things that ain't never coming back
She's gone (gone) gone (gone) gone (gone) gone, she's gone


I still have about a third of a 30ml bottle in my RY4 stash, of course, but that's going into the time capsule, along with Raf-a-licious.
 

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Hey Jerms,

Ever since I got out the bottle of ePipeMods Long Bottom Leaf to atty-drip a little before responding to your post, I've continued vaping it. I don't know if it's my mood or the weather or what, but damn---I'm really enjoying the juice.

I even went so far as to put away the IKV i06 atty I was dripping into and wire up a coil/wick for my brand-new Igo-L RBA. In all honesty, I don't find the vape superior to the i06 (using a similar 2.5 ohm coil and silica wick), but that's not to bad-rap the Igo. At 7 watts RMS on a VAMO, the Igo-L is performing nicely, and the flavor of the LBL is simply delicious. Go figure. Me, vaping a synthetic tobacco and loving it. Takes me back a long way.

So far, the only thing I don't like about the Igo-L is that purging/cleaning the remaining juice to prepare for a different flavor is not as easy as with a regular atty. Can't just blow it out into a kleenex and be good to go. Nope, gotta get up, go to the kitchen sink, take off the cap, rinse the atty and wick clean under hot water, then very carefully squeeze/pat the wick dry with a paper towel. On the other hand, it's nice that the shallow "drip well" inside the Igo-L holds about 15 drops. Needing to add more liquid every 10-12 draws can be a chore with atties, and less frequent dripping is a good thing.
 

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Hey Jerms,

Ever since I got out the bottle of ePipeMods Long Bottom Leaf to atty-drip a little before responding to your post, I've continued vaping it. I don't know if it's my mood or the weather or what, but damn---I'm really enjoying the juice.

I even went so far as to put away the IKV i06 atty I was dripping into and wire up a coil/wick for my brand-new Igo-L RBA. In all honesty, I don't find the vape superior to the i06 (using a similar 2.5 ohm coil and silica wick), but that's not to bad-rap the Igo. At 7 watts RMS on a VAMO, the Igo-L is performing nicely, and the flavor of the LBL is simply delicious. Go figure. Me, vaping a synthetic tobacco and loving it. Takes me back a long way.

So far, the only thing I don't like about the Igo-L is that purging/cleaning the remaining juice to prepare for a different flavor is not as easy as with a regular atty. Can't just blow it out into a kleenex and be good to go. Nope, gotta get up, go to the kitchen sink, take off the cap, rinse the atty and wick clean under hot water, then very carefully squeeze/pat the wick dry with a paper towel. On the other hand, it's nice that the shallow "drip well" inside the Igo-L holds about 15 drops. Needing to add more liquid every 10-12 draws can be a chore with atties, and less frequent dripping is a good thing.

You just said my exact same reactions to RBAs. Superior to atties? For some juices yes, for some juices no. Just like any other JDS I've tried. Flavor is great with a well-built wick and coil, just like regular atties, but changing juices on the fly is not quite as easy. Making a smaller wick can help, and just like with regular atties you can drip the new flavor on top and have them blend for a little bit, but it's still not as quick and easy as a disposable. Not a problem for those who like big tanks and vape 8ml of one juice in a day, but for us juice sluts that switch partners more times than at a hoe-down, it's an issue. Just patting down the wick with a paper towel and a quick dry-burn is often good enough for me lately rather than rinsing it with water.

But, being able to drip a lot more drops is very nice at times, and ability to dry-burn no problem is great for us NET vapors. I just got a Smoktech RDA and IGO-S in the mail today and so far the RDA is working so much better than my first RBA I got, which has been a lot of hassle. I haven't tried my IGO-S yet, but have read so much about it I'm sure it'll be great. Plus, it's adorable. My 510s and 901s have nothing to fear yet, I still have use for them in my rotation, but they are starting to see the "yet" is getting underlined. They still sometimes wonder "what happened to Mr. 306", and I explain he got replaced with the addition of Mr. RBA.

That's great the LBL is working well "..for a synthetic..." (lmao) for ya. I'm looking forward to a couple of the different sauces I've heard good things about. I emailed them asking when the sample pack will be restocked and they said fairly soon.

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