Ludo has some of his original Janty RY4 in his freezer. In retrospect, I wish I snapped a photo of it.
The Really Big RY4 Roundup (long)
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Ludo has some of his original Janty RY4 in his freezer. In retrospect, I wish I snapped a photo of it.
Hi Bill! Again, thanks for changing the way I vape. This thread and your report card have really been a blessing.
So I have tried ECBlend RY4 (extra flavor), V4L RY4, MFS RY4, Vaporknoll RY4, Tribeca and Heavenly tobacco.
Of those the ECBLend is my favorite, but VaporKnoll is right behind. I also like Heavenly tobacco quite a bit because it's a nice change of pace and when mixed with my top two, just awesome. Tribeca is too overpowering for me, I like it but don't love it. The other two are ok, vapable but nothing special.
So I'm looking for some new juices. Based on what I've tried and liked can you recommend anything? I was thinking of trying the Hangsen and the Mad 4 from madvapes next. Are those good choices? Any others I might consider trying in the near future?
Having Vaporknoll as a local B&M really gives me some comfort by the way, being able to drive 15 miles to get a really good RY4 (their other juices are good also) is nice. Thanks in advance!!!
So I have tried ECBlend RY4 (extra flavor), V4L RY4, MFS RY4, Vaporknoll RY4, Tribeca and Heavenly tobacco.
Of those the ECBLend is my favorite, but VaporKnoll is right behind. I also like Heavenly tobacco quite a bit because it's a nice change of pace and when mixed with my top two, just awesome. Tribeca is too overpowering for me, I like it but don't love it. The other two are ok, vapable but nothing special.
So I'm looking for some new juices. Based on what I've tried and liked can you recommend anything? I was thinking of trying the Hangsen and the Mad 4 from madvapes next. Are those good choices? Any others I might consider trying in the near future?
Having Vaporknoll as a local B&M really gives me some comfort by the way, being able to drive 15 miles to get a really good RY4 (their other juices are good also) is nice. Thanks in advance!!!
Lambaowski,
The hardest part of this "job" is offering recommendations. Heck, I can't even predict what I might like, much less what will please someone else. For instance, my personal reaction to ECBlend RY4 is that it's a middle-of-the-pack Custom RY4, and yet I really like ECBlend Spicy RY4. Would you like it? I don't know. It's got a pretty obvious spicy kick.
Hangsen RY4 and Madvapes Mad 4 are both good choices. Hangsen is among the very best Chinese Classic RY4s ever made, in my opinion. That doesn't insure that you'd like it, but if you get some, at the very least you'll be able to say that you've vaped one of the Gold Standards of RY4s. Mad 4 isn't really an RY4 at all---it's a creamy caramel tobacco that leans just far enough into RY4 territory to be included on The Big RY4 List. That said, it's a pleasing vape.
A good thing about both those choices is that they're inexpensive. Obviously, Madvapes is cheap, but you can also pick up Hangsen RY4 for a song from Hong Kong vendors FastTech or VaporBreak. Among US vendors, CaterpillarVapes is a great source for Hangsen.
Another possibility (among so many) is Indigo Classic from IndigoVapor. Very nice. Also MrVape RY4. And we mustn't forget VaporTalk Dulcis and SmokelessImage Volt RY4. They've been in the Top Ten forever.
Finally, of course, at some point in your life, you should try one of the Janty RY4s, not necessarily today, but sometime.
Good luck and vape on!
The hardest part of this "job" is offering recommendations. Heck, I can't even predict what I might like, much less what will please someone else. For instance, my personal reaction to ECBlend RY4 is that it's a middle-of-the-pack Custom RY4, and yet I really like ECBlend Spicy RY4. Would you like it? I don't know. It's got a pretty obvious spicy kick.
Hangsen RY4 and Madvapes Mad 4 are both good choices. Hangsen is among the very best Chinese Classic RY4s ever made, in my opinion. That doesn't insure that you'd like it, but if you get some, at the very least you'll be able to say that you've vaped one of the Gold Standards of RY4s. Mad 4 isn't really an RY4 at all---it's a creamy caramel tobacco that leans just far enough into RY4 territory to be included on The Big RY4 List. That said, it's a pleasing vape.
A good thing about both those choices is that they're inexpensive. Obviously, Madvapes is cheap, but you can also pick up Hangsen RY4 for a song from Hong Kong vendors FastTech or VaporBreak. Among US vendors, CaterpillarVapes is a great source for Hangsen.
Another possibility (among so many) is Indigo Classic from IndigoVapor. Very nice. Also MrVape RY4. And we mustn't forget VaporTalk Dulcis and SmokelessImage Volt RY4. They've been in the Top Ten forever.
Finally, of course, at some point in your life, you should try one of the Janty RY4s, not necessarily today, but sometime.
Good luck and vape on!
Thanks Bill. I would never ask for advice and then come back in here and blast you if I didn't like it, especially with something so subjective. I'm gonna go ahead and order the Hangsen and Mad4 from Madvapes, then one by one hit those others.
I order from ECBlend quite a bit, I would consider them my primary vendor so I'll try out the spicy RY4 next time I order from them (soon because I'm running low on Dragon's Tear).
Anyway, thanks as always for your inputs.
I order from ECBlend quite a bit, I would consider them my primary vendor so I'll try out the spicy RY4 next time I order from them (soon because I'm running low on Dragon's Tear).
Anyway, thanks as always for your inputs.
Highbrow RY4; it's ummmm unique.
I've been very timid to try this vape because of the smell. Finally gave it a go, and.. seems possibly layered and complex, but I'm not willing to dig further. A few vapes and; nope, completely unvapable for me, I'm done.
I can't describe the taste. My brain just sends warnings that this isn't a consumable product. Like a chemical, detergent, or cleaning fluid; this doesn't translate into a product that is ok to ingest when it hits my senses. I can try to appeal to my rational mind that this is as safe as any other vape, but it's overridden by an instinctual response that screams DANGER!! POISON!!
Some people that have similar tastes as me enjoy this product. I can't fathom anyone finding this a pleasurable taste, so just have to chock it up as one of those vapes that I'm experiencing in a totally different way than it's fans.
I've been very timid to try this vape because of the smell. Finally gave it a go, and.. seems possibly layered and complex, but I'm not willing to dig further. A few vapes and; nope, completely unvapable for me, I'm done.
I can't describe the taste. My brain just sends warnings that this isn't a consumable product. Like a chemical, detergent, or cleaning fluid; this doesn't translate into a product that is ok to ingest when it hits my senses. I can try to appeal to my rational mind that this is as safe as any other vape, but it's overridden by an instinctual response that screams DANGER!! POISON!!
Some people that have similar tastes as me enjoy this product. I can't fathom anyone finding this a pleasurable taste, so just have to chock it up as one of those vapes that I'm experiencing in a totally different way than it's fans.
OK, I just grabbed the carto of Highbrow RY4 that sits on my desk with 99 other RY4s, screwed it onto a VAMO, and gave it a vape.
Oh no, yet another in the seemingly endless series of juices that initially impressed me with their uniqueness, but then slowly lost me over time, mostly because "unique" started tasting more and more to me like "confused," "murky," or "ill-conceived." Highbrow RY4 isn't as confused or murky as, say, AiV Ravyn, but it's every bit as ill-conceived. I think Highbrow's tobacco is the culprit.
Highbrow's been taking it on the chin with me recently. I never liked any of their tobaccos much (RY4 was the least offensive of the bunch), but for a long time---more than a year---I loved Highbrow's Limoncello, Orange de Sangre, and Cheesecake Torte. No more, though. Now, Limoncello reminds me of Lemon Pledge, Orange de Sangre is reminiscent of Orange Glo cleaner, and I can't taste any cheesecake at all in Cheesecake Torte. It's become more like Jello No-Bake Cheesecake mix to me. Lost loves are always such a wistful reminder of the ephemeral nature of affection.
Today's experience is enough for me to cut Highbrow RY4 a full grade down on The Big RY4 Report Card, out of the B group and into the C+ group. I feel a little bad about doing this, but it is what it is.
Any other RY4s you want me to trash, Jerms? LOL.
How does Hangsen RY4 score? I haven't seen it reviewed on this thread.
TW Titan Fluid RY4 ishorrible not very nice.. as being the first RY4 I've tried I was expecting a tobacco base with hints of caramel and vanilla. No tobacco or vanilla taste, just a weird orangey/burnt sugar taste. Others have said it's the same as TW Patriot RY4 which is a shame as it's rated highly on here.
Can someone point me to the latest roundup and categories page please?
TW Titan Fluid RY4 is
Can someone point me to the latest roundup and categories page please?
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Hangsen RY4 is very highly rated, definitely in the A group. It's currently #2 on my personal list of favorite RY4s. The retail juice has been reviewed numerous times---posts #754, #758, #3628, #3895 (review by osmo). Links to those posts are on The Big List alphabetized under Liberty-Flights, since that vendor was the source of the first bottle reviewed.
Hangsen Essence RY4 flavoring concentrate was reviewed in post #3715 and has been mentioned or discussed in many other posts. You'll need to use the "Search Thread" function to find those.
Titan Fluid is Totally Wicked's line of Chinese-made juices. Patriot is their line of made-in-USA juices. I'm not suggesting that US juice is inherently superior to Chinese juice (or vice versa), just that those two RY4s are different. No one on the thread has reviewed or even mentioned the Titan version before, so your one-word critique ("horrible") is as close as we have to a review.
The last update of The Big List was posted on September 25th. Here is the link to those four consecutive posts:
The Big RY4 List
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Hi Jerms,
I really never considered Highbrow RY4 an RY4, just because it lacks traditional flavors that other RY4's provide, but... it's been one of those flavors I've been drawn to. Early in my vaping career, when I threw away my analogs for ever, a 24mg mixture of this gave me the TH and flavor "punch" I needed to take the edge off. Did it taste great? No, not really, but... it had something I needed. I couldn't agree more that HB RY4 is more of an "experience" than your everyday vape, and... it's certainly not for everyone. It took me a while to understand (and digest) what it was that I was tasting when I vaped it, but I've since learned the combination comes mainly from a mix of tobacco, chocolate liquer, and citrus. Nowadays, I OCCASIONALLY have a desire to vape this, but as my pallet matures, I find it less and less "enticing"; maybe similar to how Bill has lost his taste for HB.
I'll say that there is a juice very similar to HB RY4 out there... BWB 555 Exotic is nearly identical, if not identical to HB RY4. The tobacco flavor in 555E tastes a teeny bit cleaner, but maybe it's because it hasn't been sitting in my cabinet for a year or two. I would venture to say that Brian is the engineer of both, but that's just my guess.
The bottom line is (and this may sound weird) HB RY4 provides me with the same "something" (similar but very different) as vaping a really fresh TA with a STRONG floral taste. Neither taste belongs in e-liquids, but they attack our senses in a much different way- once a taste is acquired for them.
Randy,
Nice to "see" you. Thanks for weighing in.
I'm conflicted about the change in my reaction to Highbrow. I've always felt Highbrow was a class act (still do), and the gradual divergence of my palate away from Kevin's is not a particularly happy event. That said, I vape to please myself, not Kevin, so I'm not losing any sleep over it.
I just grabbed the loaded carto of Highbrow RY4 on my desk and compared it head-to-head with atty-dripped BWB 555 Exotic. Darned if you don't have a point. I don't find them identical, nor do I think that Kevin created both (I think it likely that Don doesn't invite guest juicemasters to create BWB eliquids), but they are similar for sure. Yes, 555E is definitely cleaner and has a nutty element; Highbrow RY4 has no nuttiness and an almost musky caramel. The tobacco isn't the same---I can't tell if either is an extracted natural tobacco, TA-based, synthetic, or a hybrid---but 555E's is better to me. All of Highbrow's tobaccos just seem strange to my brain.
BWB 555 Exotic and SpringVapor Black Label 555 are the only two 555s I like, precisely because they're so different from all the more typical 555s. I have a three-year-old bottle of BWB 555 that's still 2/3 full and will remain so, since 555s are clearly not my thing.
Perhaps this newly-discovered similarity of 555E and HB RY4 will allow me to appreciate Highbrow RY4 more than I had been---not as an RY4, rather as an odd but interesting juice, which is how I feel about 555E.
Nice to "see" you. Thanks for weighing in.
I'm conflicted about the change in my reaction to Highbrow. I've always felt Highbrow was a class act (still do), and the gradual divergence of my palate away from Kevin's is not a particularly happy event. That said, I vape to please myself, not Kevin, so I'm not losing any sleep over it.
I just grabbed the loaded carto of Highbrow RY4 on my desk and compared it head-to-head with atty-dripped BWB 555 Exotic. Darned if you don't have a point. I don't find them identical, nor do I think that Kevin created both (I think it likely that Don doesn't invite guest juicemasters to create BWB eliquids), but they are similar for sure. Yes, 555E is definitely cleaner and has a nutty element; Highbrow RY4 has no nuttiness and an almost musky caramel. The tobacco isn't the same---I can't tell if either is an extracted natural tobacco, TA-based, synthetic, or a hybrid---but 555E's is better to me. All of Highbrow's tobaccos just seem strange to my brain.
BWB 555 Exotic and SpringVapor Black Label 555 are the only two 555s I like, precisely because they're so different from all the more typical 555s. I have a three-year-old bottle of BWB 555 that's still 2/3 full and will remain so, since 555s are clearly not my thing.
Perhaps this newly-discovered similarity of 555E and HB RY4 will allow me to appreciate Highbrow RY4 more than I had been---not as an RY4, rather as an odd but interesting juice, which is how I feel about 555E.
There is something similar about the two, but where they diverge is in that chocolate note (and maybe one more) that Bryan uses. Bill, I think you were referring to Bryan at HB? Either which way, the one time that I feel like I was able to get a pleasurable experience out of HB's RY4 was when I had it with a glass of cheap red wine--those notes (maybe the chocolate) seemed to make sense while chasing (pairing) it with a red.
Now, if I am not mistaking, Don has been in business longer than HB, so I doubt if Bryan is making anything for them, but I don't doubt for second that the two are using similar base ingredients. And, I will forever-and-a-day question the fullness of Bryan's claims about the in-houseness of his tobacco extraction. Maybe, not to call the man a liar, he is just adding an enhancement of which is the same base flavor that BWB uses? Dunno.
If I can figure it out, there was another liquid I have in my stash that also has those elements of 555E. Damn it! Which liquid is it?
Yes, Bryan rather than Kevin. More brain damage.
I, too, would like to know the skinny on the "homemade natural tobacco" assertions from BWB and Highbrow. No tobacco juice I've had from either vendor---and I've had most of them---tastes like any macerated NET I've ever vaped, whether retail or my own home-brewed extracts.
I, too, would like to know the skinny on the "homemade natural tobacco" assertions from BWB and Highbrow. No tobacco juice I've had from either vendor---and I've had most of them---tastes like any macerated NET I've ever vaped, whether retail or my own home-brewed extracts.
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Well, I guess the funny part is that based on your abilities at writing and expressing complex feelings/ideas/emotions (not to mention your high-level organizational skills), most undamaged brains are lagging way behind your damage.
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Oh, I figured out the liquid I thought had a similar base as 555E--The Plume Room's M-Type. 555E is sweeter and more sparkly in the higher register, but even still, dripping them both, I get my wires crossed as to which one I am tasting. Actually, if someone would want to sweeten M-Type or drop the sweetness of 555E, the two could adjust each other without changing the overall vibe.
I taste similarities in rawr poison and 555e. I like 555e much better but I'll be damned if poison doesn't have some striking similarities.
Interesting conversation, and thanks for your input Randy. I get a feeling if I gave HB RY4 an honest try, I just may change my tune. The thing is, I was in no way exaggerating the how much my mind was resisting this, and it would be quite a chore to give it an honest try. It would be like finding out that getting kicked in the family jewels could be a rewarding experience; after the 30th kick. I took about 10 pulls of the HB RY4, and while it was getting easier to take, the experience was akin to Mike Tyson punching me in the face but a little lighter each time.. I still wanted him to stop.
So basically, part of me is interested to try to get over the hump and really discover this juice, but a bigger part just doesn't have it in me. If anyone wants 10ml at 18mg PM me, it went straight from trying to my PIF box.
I find the comparison to BWB 555E very interesting, as that was one of only a couple from BWB that I enjoyed; and I enjoyed it quite a bit.
I wanted to make the claim that in no way did I beleive this was a NET. I realised that would be unfair for me to say, because I couldn't get over my "bad, chemicals, no" reaction enough to catch ANY notes. No vanilla, no caramel, no tobacco, and certainly no chocolate. I'm sure I'd find them after adjusting to it, but like I said I'm not going to try.
So basically, part of me is interested to try to get over the hump and really discover this juice, but a bigger part just doesn't have it in me. If anyone wants 10ml at 18mg PM me, it went straight from trying to my PIF box.
I find the comparison to BWB 555E very interesting, as that was one of only a couple from BWB that I enjoyed; and I enjoyed it quite a bit.
I wanted to make the claim that in no way did I beleive this was a NET. I realised that would be unfair for me to say, because I couldn't get over my "bad, chemicals, no" reaction enough to catch ANY notes. No vanilla, no caramel, no tobacco, and certainly no chocolate. I'm sure I'd find them after adjusting to it, but like I said I'm not going to try.
Jerms, trust me, there really isn't enough wine for me to finish a 10 mL bottle of that liquid (I got through about 2-3 mL over the course of a year before I PIFed).
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