The sour was hard to get for sure, I have an idea for it without having to add anything extra.
The Really Big RY4 Roundup (long)
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passer,
You must be pleased as punch. One review so far, and it's a rave. If you really have "cracked the code" for Janty DK, or at least come up with close facsimile, then you will have built that better mouse trap that everybody wants.
This chivalry is fantastic, its actually blown me away a little bit, it has raised the bar utterly on how I look at tobacoo juices from now on in every regard. Frankly synthetics are a poor, poor excuse in replicating true tobacoo flavours compared to this NET.
It's such a complex juice, so full of layers and touches. The initial inhale is one of dark oak, the high notes boast a complex medley of single malt and an earthy, spicy undertone blasts through and almost threatens to overwhelm untill the exhale where the spicy earth tone gives way to a pure tobacoo ash like smokiness. It's so, so close to burning tobacco I feel its just a breath or two away from nearly being the real thing. At times the ash like exhale reminds me of standing over a pure dried wood bonfire, its so strong, woody and nearly acrid in tone. It's rich and dark whilst delicate and complex all at once. An incredible sensation, though one il'l admit, I doubt I could vape all day. It's almost too close to the real thing that actually, I've moved on a little from those flavours to such a degree I almost feel a bit 'should I be vaping this?' Guilt coming from it. I'll save this for late evenings and a glass of 12 years aged old putlney, or better yet a peaty smokey single malt (I really should get some more of that next time I'm in the off license!).
To make this a little more relevant for this thread however, would I like this juice as my tobacco base in an RY4? Oh that's a toughie. It's such a good tobacco it would almost make sense to see how this or indeed el toro might work as a base for RY4, though the balance between this stuff and the caramel and vanilla would take an artists hand to perfect. A pure perfumer would be required to master it I feel.
Even if such a thing could happen, I'm not so sure it would be an RY4 for me persay. No, I'd wager it would be for those tobacoo strong Ry4 fans out there, those who favour a good BWB or RAWR varient perhapes over me and my rather more classic RY4 sensibilities. My goodness though, it would be an exciting juice all the same.
Bill (and others), have you, in your vaping DIY sessions attempted to use a NET base in your Frankenstein Ry4's? How did it work out for you?
It's such a complex juice, so full of layers and touches. The initial inhale is one of dark oak, the high notes boast a complex medley of single malt and an earthy, spicy undertone blasts through and almost threatens to overwhelm untill the exhale where the spicy earth tone gives way to a pure tobacoo ash like smokiness. It's so, so close to burning tobacco I feel its just a breath or two away from nearly being the real thing. At times the ash like exhale reminds me of standing over a pure dried wood bonfire, its so strong, woody and nearly acrid in tone. It's rich and dark whilst delicate and complex all at once. An incredible sensation, though one il'l admit, I doubt I could vape all day. It's almost too close to the real thing that actually, I've moved on a little from those flavours to such a degree I almost feel a bit 'should I be vaping this?' Guilt coming from it. I'll save this for late evenings and a glass of 12 years aged old putlney, or better yet a peaty smokey single malt (I really should get some more of that next time I'm in the off license!).
To make this a little more relevant for this thread however, would I like this juice as my tobacco base in an RY4? Oh that's a toughie. It's such a good tobacco it would almost make sense to see how this or indeed el toro might work as a base for RY4, though the balance between this stuff and the caramel and vanilla would take an artists hand to perfect. A pure perfumer would be required to master it I feel.
Even if such a thing could happen, I'm not so sure it would be an RY4 for me persay. No, I'd wager it would be for those tobacoo strong Ry4 fans out there, those who favour a good BWB or RAWR varient perhapes over me and my rather more classic RY4 sensibilities. My goodness though, it would be an exciting juice all the same.
Bill (and others), have you, in your vaping DIY sessions attempted to use a NET base in your Frankenstein Ry4's? How did it work out for you?
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Yes, I have. I was pleased with the result.
You must not have been reading the thread earlier this spring when I ventured into the DIY RY4 realm. I made numerous versions of an NET-based Custom RY4 called Skydancer RY4 (and sent out sample bottles of two of those versions). Search the thread for "Skydancer RY4," "Skydancer v2b," or "Skydancer v11," and you'll come up with many posts from a couple months ago.
I agree that some NETs are too distinctive to make a good RY4, even at the far end of the Custom genre (which all NET-based RY4s are).
Here's the current list of NET-based retail RY4s from the Category Groups post of The Big RY4 List:
Natural Extract Tobacco (NET)
GoodEJuice GJ4 (in-house NET)
HighbrowVapor Highbrowbacco RY4 (NET, source unknown)
Mom&PopVaporShop RY4 (Tobacco Absolute)
Mom&PopVaporShop RY4v2 (Tobacco Absolute)
Mom&PopVaporShop RYO4 (Tobacco Extract, a derivative of Tobacco Absolute)
Moondrop RY4 (Tobacco Absolute)
MountainOakVapors Full Virginia Flake RY4 (in-house NET)
MyVapeJuice Rogue RY4 (in-house NET)
PrimeVaping PV4 (NET, unknown source)
QuickNicJuice RY4 (Tobacco Absolute, I think)
QuickNicJuice ouR whY Qu4tro (in-house NET)
SpringVapor Fall Harvest RY4 (NET type/source unknown)
SpringVapor Black Label RY4 (NET type/source unknown)
SpringVapor Black Label RY4 - Day and Night (NET type/source unknown)
VapeRite Organic VR4 (in-house NET)
VapeRite RY4 (in-house NET?)
VaporStation VS4 (Tobacco Absolute/NET blend)
Want2Vape RY4 (in-house NET)
Want2Vape Rock Star (in-house NET?)
The very best in that group---in my opinion---are QuickNic ouR whY qu4tro and MOV Full Virginia Flake RY4.
@bill
You mentioned that you didn't notice that bittersweet after-taste of Tribeca. For several weeks since first having it and vaping it almost daily, I didn't as well, until I went to the store and tried out other dry Tobacco flavors back to back with the Tribeca. Since then I detect it with every drag, and it certainly has my attention in trying to replicate it DIY. I've been searching the forum since then, looking for a thread in the past that discusses it, to no avail, until today, a forum member started a thread related to it: Stevia and Tribeca
Last week, you posted about Jane's Toasted Toffee, this got my attention, as well as your comments on Jane's RY4, which referred to a very distinct, bold taste. Do you see any similarity here with the Tribeca. That "rough" after-taste of Tribeca is undoubtedly a toasted "something" taste.
In this YouTube Review, the reviewer refers to it as a "thump" at the end of an inhale. (Link to video will automatically start where he discusses it)
You mentioned that you didn't notice that bittersweet after-taste of Tribeca. For several weeks since first having it and vaping it almost daily, I didn't as well, until I went to the store and tried out other dry Tobacco flavors back to back with the Tribeca. Since then I detect it with every drag, and it certainly has my attention in trying to replicate it DIY. I've been searching the forum since then, looking for a thread in the past that discusses it, to no avail, until today, a forum member started a thread related to it: Stevia and Tribeca
Last week, you posted about Jane's Toasted Toffee, this got my attention, as well as your comments on Jane's RY4, which referred to a very distinct, bold taste. Do you see any similarity here with the Tribeca. That "rough" after-taste of Tribeca is undoubtedly a toasted "something" taste.
In this YouTube Review, the reviewer refers to it as a "thump" at the end of an inhale. (Link to video will automatically start where he discusses it)
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Picked up some cheapie Hangsen RY4 from Fasttech. For the price, I'm really happy with it. It tastes closer to my beloved Janty DK RY4 than the bottle of Dekand RY4 I got from Goodejuice did. Anyone else vape and compare the two recently?
THanks for the review... I've been wanting to order a pre-mixed bottle of Hangsen to compare it to my DIY from Hangsen flavorings. FastTech prices are awesome, unfortunately their shipping time is not, but I guess the bright side is, if I order it now, my DIY juice will be well steeped by the time it arrives
On a related note, I ordered some Dekang from FastTech a while back. The DK-TAB tasted terrible at the first vape, which had me regretting my purchase, but after about 3 weeks of steeping, it turned into quite a delicious vape. How long did your Hangsen RY4 steep?
THanks for the review... I've been wanting to order a pre-mixed bottle of Hangsen to compare it to my DIY from Hangsen flavorings. FastTech prices are awesome, unfortunately their shipping time is not, but I guess the bright side is, if I order it now, my DIY juice will be well steeped by the time it arrives
On a related note, I ordered some Dekang from FastTech a while back. The DK-TAB tasted terrible at the first vape, which had me regretting my purchase, but after about 3 weeks of steeping, it turned into quite a delicious vape. How long did your Hangsen RY4 steep?
Not a review really. More like my initial thought and a question.
The Hangsen just arrived today, so there wasn't any steeping time. I'm usually not too concerned about steeping time with these types of juices since I have no idea when they were made. I did pick up three bottles though, so I will air the other two out for a bit and shake them every day. I suspect that they won't change much, but you never know.
VERY interesting that your DK-TAB changed so much. That has me curious.
Lastly, to clarify, while this was closer to Janty DK than the bottle of Dekang I had, it's still not as good in my opinion.
I can't even begin to describe how bad that Dekang DK-TAB first tasted when it arrived, but I'll try anyway. The taste reminded me much of the type of anesthesia a Dentist will use before working on your teeth... it was just the most unpleasant to say the least, and disturbing would be more accurate to describe my experience with it.
After that 3 weeks I opened the bottle and noticed that the scent had toned down a lot, so I tried it again, and surprisingly it was very good. I have not since tried again as I was distracted with other liquids, but having remembered again tonight, I loaded a tank and vaped away just now (it's been about 6 weeks).
It is even better than when I last tried it, it's really a very good vape! There is absolutely no trace whatsoever of the initial taste, none at all. My Dekang RY4 was much the same, although it did not take as long to get better. If your Hangsen is quite vapable to start, then perhaps the steeping time will not be as long as the Dekangs I got.
After that 3 weeks I opened the bottle and noticed that the scent had toned down a lot, so I tried it again, and surprisingly it was very good. I have not since tried again as I was distracted with other liquids, but having remembered again tonight, I loaded a tank and vaped away just now (it's been about 6 weeks).
It is even better than when I last tried it, it's really a very good vape! There is absolutely no trace whatsoever of the initial taste, none at all. My Dekang RY4 was much the same, although it did not take as long to get better. If your Hangsen is quite vapable to start, then perhaps the steeping time will not be as long as the Dekangs I got.
Hrm. Now I'm wondering if I didn't give my Dekang RY4 enough time to steep. Oh well, only one way to find out!
I noticed long ago on ECF the assumption made by numerous posters that juices from China wouldn't need to steep, because of either 1) long shipping times, or 2) massive inventories, so that the juices were made many months earlier. While either or both of these factors might be true on occasion, more often they are incorrect.
During this "sunset" period of the vaunted global economy, with businesses scrambling to cut costs and maximize profits, manufacturers can no longer afford the accounting drain of huge warehouses stockpiled with products sitting on shelves. Similarly, retailers no longer keep large inventories of product on-hand. Manufacturers and retailers alike have gone to "on-demand" software-based systems of tight inventory control by tracking sales and stock, so that inventories are kept relatively low and re-ordering is automatic.
Especially with the Chinese retail vendors such as FastTech, but even with European and American vendors as well, retail juices from a supplier such as Dekang are frequently quite fresh, often only 4-5 days old upon arrival. Then they're sold and shipped out immediately, so the consumer gets juice that may have been mixed as recently as a week to ten days before. Yes, I understand that vapers might occasionally receive a juice with a born-on date of a couple months earlier, but that's the exception rather than the rule.
DK-TAB and RY4 are Dekang's best-selling juices, if I'm not mistaken, so the churn-and-burn of getting those products to consumers as quickly as possible is fast and efficient. In addition, Dekang uses "essence" (i.e., Tobacco Absolute) in their tobacco blends. TA requires steeping time to bloom or meld with synthetic flavorings, so I'm not surprised that Calivapr's DK-TAB changed flavor considerably over three weeks.
During this "sunset" period of the vaunted global economy, with businesses scrambling to cut costs and maximize profits, manufacturers can no longer afford the accounting drain of huge warehouses stockpiled with products sitting on shelves. Similarly, retailers no longer keep large inventories of product on-hand. Manufacturers and retailers alike have gone to "on-demand" software-based systems of tight inventory control by tracking sales and stock, so that inventories are kept relatively low and re-ordering is automatic.
Especially with the Chinese retail vendors such as FastTech, but even with European and American vendors as well, retail juices from a supplier such as Dekang are frequently quite fresh, often only 4-5 days old upon arrival. Then they're sold and shipped out immediately, so the consumer gets juice that may have been mixed as recently as a week to ten days before. Yes, I understand that vapers might occasionally receive a juice with a born-on date of a couple months earlier, but that's the exception rather than the rule.
DK-TAB and RY4 are Dekang's best-selling juices, if I'm not mistaken, so the churn-and-burn of getting those products to consumers as quickly as possible is fast and efficient. In addition, Dekang uses "essence" (i.e., Tobacco Absolute) in their tobacco blends. TA requires steeping time to bloom or meld with synthetic flavorings, so I'm not surprised that Calivapr's DK-TAB changed flavor considerably over three weeks.
If we put Janty RY4 DK at one end of a scale and Dekang RY4 at the other end, I'd place Hangsen RY4 much closer to Janty than Dekang.
I've almost said as much previously and so have little to add other that absoulty spot on. I'll go one further with no actual hard evidence and say I'd wager Hangsen is the base used in janty or at the very least is produced very similarly with Chinese juice ingredients.
Janty Ry4 is a vareint of Hangsen Ry4 to me, it's a better Ry4 for sure, with more variables and added sour flourishes, but the underlining base is unmistakably similar.
DK4 actually tastes a lot more American juice style then the Hangsen to me, it's tobacoo heavy with the slightly woody or 'feet / sweat' taste I've heard described of some tobacoo synthetics. I'd wager DK4 will actually benifit greater from a longer steep time then the Hangsen will, it might just smooth out the somewhat harsh and over powering tobacoo into a more rounded, caramel vape. My bottles are still too freash to confirm this however at time of writing.
While at work yesterday & today, I broke out my 4 month old bottle of Hangsen RY4 as a change of pace to the High Brow Bacco exotic. I got to admit it was extremely tasty, slightly Carmel/Vanilla sweet and a slight sourness poking through on the end of the inhale. Sharp, Bright & Flavorful after vaping the Exotic earlier both mornings, perfect for the hot Summer afternoon.
I've tried Halo's Tribeca and must say I found it very good. Nice and smooth, good flavor and mild throat hit (i'm not a big throat hit fan. I like a very mild throat hit, but that's just my preference). I can vape Halo's Tribeca all day, every day that's how much I like it; but again, I just started into the vaping scene and haven't tried many other RY4 juices.
On the other hand, I did get a bottle of Mom & Pop's RY4.. all I can say is.. YUCK!!!.. Not a juice I would want to vape often. In fact, it has become my "break glass if needed" e-juice.. You know, the type of e-juice you keep around just in case you run low and need something to vape while you wait for your e-juice order to arrive in the mail...
On the other hand, I did get a bottle of Mom & Pop's RY4.. all I can say is.. YUCK!!!.. Not a juice I would want to vape often. In fact, it has become my "break glass if needed" e-juice.. You know, the type of e-juice you keep around just in case you run low and need something to vape while you wait for your e-juice order to arrive in the mail...
agt,
LOL. OK, that's one more vote for Halo Tribeca (and the fans go wild!), and one less vote for Mom&Pops RY4 (Tobacco Absolute takes another hit). I think most of us here would agree that of M&P's three RY offerings (RY4, RY4v2, and RYO4), RY4v2 is definitely the pick of that litter. I'm not suggesting that you'd like it (I'd guess that you wouldn't, since it's not a huge departure from their RY4, only an improved variation), but it's generally considered the best of the trio.
PandaEcigs is discontinuing its line of retail juices in favor of going all-hardware, so the prices have been discounted, with an additional 40% off coupon ("liquidsale") that will apply until the juices are gone. Panda never made its own juices. They were outsourced, presumably custom-mixed by Apollo, their sister company, but I don't know that for sure).
Link to purchase: PandaEcigs RY4
I passed on buying yet another RY4 for review, however. First off, the description didn't inspire me: "A tobacco base flavor infused with hints of caramel, butterscotch and walnuts." Walnuts are fine, but butterscotch rather than vanilla? OK, so it's a Custom RY4 all the way. What's wrong with that? Well, even if I bought two 10ml bottles---RY4 and another flavor---the cost would still be more than 50¢/ml shipped. Not what I'd consider a great clearance sale. I chose not to spend my currently limited resources on juices I might not vape for pleasure. If someone else gets some, though, please review their RY4 before it vanishes into the mists of vaping history.
Link to purchase: PandaEcigs RY4
I passed on buying yet another RY4 for review, however. First off, the description didn't inspire me: "A tobacco base flavor infused with hints of caramel, butterscotch and walnuts." Walnuts are fine, but butterscotch rather than vanilla? OK, so it's a Custom RY4 all the way. What's wrong with that? Well, even if I bought two 10ml bottles---RY4 and another flavor---the cost would still be more than 50¢/ml shipped. Not what I'd consider a great clearance sale. I chose not to spend my currently limited resources on juices I might not vape for pleasure. If someone else gets some, though, please review their RY4 before it vanishes into the mists of vaping history.
If you opt for the 30ml bottle, the cost per ml is better.
Edit: Bill, I ordered some for personal vaping (as opposed to review vaping) and will send you some of mine so that you can dazzle with your fine words. Cheers!
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RPad,
I need another 30ml bottle of retail RY4 like I need... Well, let's just say that the 2 1/2 liters of retail RY4s I currently have is more than than sufficient. LOL.
All I need for review is about 3ml, so if you've got an empty 5ml bottle lying around, that'll be easily good enough.
Who knows, though? Maybe PandaEcigs RY4 will turn out to be terrific, and we'll feel privileged to have snagged some before it vanishes from the scene.
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Has anyone heard of or tried "RY4 SmokEjuice - Premium Organic E-Liquid" from SmokTek.com? It is a USA made e-liquid and here is the vendor's description from their web site along with a link to purchase: RY4 SmokEjuice - Premium Organic E-Liquid, Made in the U.S.A.
Our take on the ever popular Ruyan tobacco, not to sweet, full of flavor.SmokEjuice is proudly made in the U.S.A. for SmokTek.com
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RY4 SmokEjuice - Premium Organic E-Liquid, Made in the U.S.A. .
Our take on the ever popular Ruyan tobacco, not to sweet, full of flavor.SmokEjuice is proudly made in the U.S.A. for SmokTek.com
Premium Organic E-Liquid made with the highest quality, USP food grade PG/VG (70/30%) and alcohol based organic flavorings. Taste the difference!
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