The Really Big RY4 Roundup (long)

[billherbst]

Cali,

I've added to The Big RY4 List both Are Why For and For Are Why by KustomJoose, along with a link to your review (and attribution to you, of course).

Good to read your discovery that weird liquid nic was the cause of the problem with your sour/vinegary DIY Hangsen Essence RY4. I hope the source of that nic wasn't one of three vendor/producers from whom I've compiled my sizable personal stash of 100mg/ml liquid nic: WizardLabs, RTSVapes, or MyFreedomSmokes.

I know my WizardLabs regular nic is good, because I've been using it for months, but both my MFS and RTS are unopened, still sealed in large bottles (500mls of all-PG MFS nic in the fridge and 1 liter of all-VG RTS nic in the freezer). I'd rather keep both bottles sealed and pristine than have to break open either one just to confirm that it's good.

From what I've read on the Nicotine Comparisons thread, NudeNicotine's liquid nic is extremely pure. At some point, I intend to order a 500ml bottle from NN. Given the uncertainties of regulation or prohibition, I feel the need to maintain a major stash of liquid nic in the freezer from now on.

 

[Calivapr123]

Hi Bill: It's hard to go wrong with Nude Nic, as it's the cleanest of all the juices I've had. Wizard Labs comes close, but their Nic still has a slight scent of tobacco, which is different from when I take a sniff on the NudeNic bottle which is 'almost' odorless, the smell of the Nic is extremely faint.

 

[Cool_Breeze]

'...the smell of Nic is extremely faint.'

Does 'nicotine' have an odor?

 

[Calivapr123]

Cool_Breeze - all the Nic I've had from different providers does have the same smell, which I presume is the Nic. There is somewhat of a musky odor to it. The NudeNic I had was the one that possessed the highest concentration of Nic (100mg/ml) yet it was the one that had the most faint smell of the lot.

 

[billherbst]

specs: The 5ml sample of RevolutionVapor RY-4 sent to me by our colleague, MFToms59, is a pale pink transparent liquid at 18mg nic strength in a 70/30 PG/VG base. Nose of the liquid is fairly pronounced, and carries a scent that's similar to its vaping taste. Testing was done by dripping into 2.2 ohm Joye 510 atty powered by a VAMO set to 7.5 watts RMS.

The description of RY-4 from its product page on the RevolutionVapor web site states:

“Similar to the original ‘lost’ recipe, our RY-4 captures the best of tobacco, caramel, and vanilla flavors.”
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Obviously, the folks at RevolutionVapor regard the lost Dekang RY4 as the “original.” Here on the RY4 Roundup thread, we don’t think so, but that’s really neither here nor there for purposes of this review.

I didn’t begin vaping until October 2010, so I never had any of the Dekang RY4 recipe that was absconded by Dekang’s departing flavor chemist in May 2010. Thus, I’m in no position to judge how well RevolutionVapor’s RY-4 replicates that RY4. From what I’ve read, the pre-May 2010 Dekang had a spun sugar/cotton candy element of sweetness that I don’t find present in the RY-4 I’m reviewing today, which is not particularly sweet, as RY4s go.

In his brief review (post #3992), MFToms called this a classic RY4 with unified flavor. He liked it a lot. I agree that the flavor is unified, but I’m not sure it’s a classic RY4, and I’m not as high on it as Tom was. Why? Because that unified overall taste imparts an odd flavor that I can’t pinpoint or define. Is it from the tobacco? the caramel? or is it another flavoring ingredient entirely? I don’t know. It tastes almost like a slight menthol element, or perhaps Koolada. Whatever it is, it’s unusual. I haven’t tasted this flavor in any other RY4 I’ve ever had (and I’ve vaped a few RY4s…). I even tried using another atty on a different VAMO to make sure my hardware wasn’t the source of the odd flavor. Maybe Tom can chime in and tell me what that flavor is and why he likes it. Personally, I find it distracting---not enough to ruin the juice for me, but enough to detract a little from my enjoyment. Without that subtle but odd flavor, I’d pronounce this a yummy RY4. With it, not so much.

Since Tom likes RevolutionVapor RY-4 and graciously sent me a sample, I don’t want to be too hard on it. There’s always the chance that my palate is having an off day. (To be fair, I did comparison vape this with about five other RY4s, and they all tasted fine, but you never know...)

Although I can’t give RevolutionVapor RY-4 a high grade, I don’t want to trash it, either, so I’ll hide it in the middle of the pack on The Big RY4 Report Card. Let’s call it a B-. In Category Groups, RY-4 is both Balanced/Blended and Distinctive (atypical).

Link to purchase: RevolutionVapor RY-4

 

[Jerms]

I just found checked out DarthVapers since finding out they do their own tobacco extractions. Some of their tobaccos are NETs and some are not, which can be found out by clicking on the juice and reading the descriptions. They have an RY4 and RY5 that are NETs. I see they are not listed on the Report Card; anyone try them yet? I think they've been available for a while now.

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[MFToms59]

Bill, you've vaped more RY4 in the past month than I have in my 16+ months of vaping, and why I sent the sample... your Honest, Spare-No Feelings, Review.

As I've said previously, I'm not too keen on really sweet juices in general including RY4, and prefer an RY4 that leans toward the Tobacco or Vanilla if it must lean. Being a Casual/ Lazy Vaper, I just look for juice I find satisfying and if it clicks I happily vape, if not I'll put it away for awhile and try a few more tests.

This RY4 was different to me, with just right sweetness and flavor, no Koolada experienced here, and I've used it many times. My impression was more of a Maple or Syrup/ Cane Sugar type flavor that lurked in the background and complimented the other flavors. As I recall, my rating was a B- as well, so I've learned a little following your thread, and for that I thank you for expanding my Vaping Wings.

One last note; That juice was steeped for ~1-2 weeks at most, I don't know if it changes much with age since it doesn't last that long when I have it.

 

[billherbst]

I just found checked out DarthVapers since finding out they do their own tobacco extractions. Some of their tobaccos are NETs and some are not, which can be found out by clicking on the juice and reading the descriptions. They have an RY4 and RY5 that are NETs. I see they are not listed on the Report Card; anyone try them yet? I think they've been available for a while now.

Jerms,

Yes, it does appear that DarthVapers is a house-brewed NET vendor. I think I knew that at some point in the past, but it must have gotten lost in the shuffle.

A long time ago, someone sent me a 2ml sample of DarthVapers RY5. My intention was to acquire some of DV’s RY4, then review them together. For one reason or another, I never got any of the RY4, probably because their coupon codes are infrequent and rarely more than 10-15% off. As a result, the little bottle of RY5 ended up buried in my RY4 cabinet. I just retrieved that bottle---I still have a bit more than 1ml left---and atty-dripped five drops. Yes, it’s definitely an NET and not TA.

DarthVaper describes their NETs as “woodsy.” Apparently a number of their tobacco blends use unique extracts, while certain other blends share a common extract base. I counted 12 NET-based juices on their tobacco eliquid product page.

Next time DV has a coupon, I’ll pick up some RY4 for review.

 

[billherbst]

Bill, you've vaped more RY4 in the past month than I have in my 16+ months of vaping, and why I sent the sample... your Honest, Spare-No Feelings, Review.

As I've said previously, I'm not too keen on really sweet juices in general including RY4, and prefer an RY4 that leans toward the Tobacco or Vanilla if it must lean. Being a Casual/ Lazy Vaper, I just look for juice I find satisfying and if it clicks I happily vape, if not I'll put it away for awhile and try a few more tests.

This RY4 was different to me, with just right sweetness and flavor, no Koolada experienced here, and I've used it many times. My impression was more of a Maple or Syrup/ Cane Sugar type flavor that lurked in the background and complimented the other flavors. As I recall, my rating was a B- as well, so I've learned a little following your thread, and for that I thank you for expanding my Vaping Wings.

One last note; That juice was steeped for ~1-2 weeks at most, I don't know if it changes much with age since it doesn't last that long when I have it.

Tom,

Let's just say that I hope you're right and I'm screwy about this particular RY4.

 

[Jerms]

Jerms,

Yes, it does appear that DarthVapers is a house-brewed NET vendor. I think I knew that at some point in the past, but it must have gotten lost in the shuffle.

A long time ago, someone sent me a 2ml sample of DarthVapers RY5. My intention was to acquire some of DV’s RY4, then review them together. For one reason or another, I never got any of the RY4, probably because their coupon codes are infrequent and rarely more than 10-15% off. As a result, the little bottle of RY5 ended up buried in my RY4 cabinet. I just retrieved that bottle---I still have a bit more than 1ml left---and atty-dripped five drops. Yes, it’s definitely an NET and not TA.

DarthVaper describes their NETs as “woodsy.” Apparently a number of their tobacco blends use unique extracts, while certain other blends share a common extract base. I counted 12 NET-based juices on their tobacco eliquid product page.

Next time DV has a coupon, I’ll pick up some RY4 for review.

Not just by you, but DV got lost in the shuffle in a big way on the NT thread. One of the very early recognized as a NET vendor, mentioned a couple times and forgotten since. I think having a bad Star Wars reference as their name might have contributed to them not being taken seriously, or looked into much.

I went through there baccos and posted the NETs on the NT thread; same results as you, 12. Mann mention them today, as he looked into their claims of house extracted tobacco and reported them legit. I bumped them to the top of my queue since they've been looked over so much.

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[MFToms59]

Tom,

Let's just say that I hope you're right and I'm screwy about this particular RY4.

Like two people tasting Beef Liver, one likes it & one doesn't... we're both right!.

Oh... ecf10 gives you 10% off @ Darth Vapor, thanks to Jerms I got the BFF & Ghost Peachbacco, Their 555 wasn't rated highly and I shied away.

 

[Jerms]

Have my bottle of Apollo RY4 already. Hot damn that was quick; way to go Apollo and USPS. Smells good, smells like a classic RY4. Will give it a week or so to settle before digging in.

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[Cool_Breeze]

Have my bottle of Apollo RY4 already. Hot damn that was quick; way to go Apollo and USPS. Smells good, smells like a classic RY4. Will give it a week or so to settle before digging in.

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Your reserve speaks well of you. Unrestrained as I am, I can offer that the Apollo RY4 is very good straight from the mailbox.

 

[Jerms]

Your reserve speaks well of you. Unrestrained as I am, I can offer that the Apollo RY4 is very good straight from the mailbox.

Well if that's the case I may just dig in sooner.

It's really less about steeping for me and more about.. I'll get to it when I get to it lol. If it knows how to play nice right away that's cool. It sure smelled like it's ready.

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[billherbst]

I agree, Cool.

I'm the same way you are. I vape juices immediately upon receiving them, unless my queue of new juices is fairly backed up, in which case I don't so much steep the newest ones as unintentionally forget about them: that's the de facto steep.

I accept that steeping is a real part of juice-mixing. It seems especially important to me with complex, multi-flavor juices and those made with natural extracts---NETs and such. But how are we going to know if a juice is progressing toward maturity if we don't vape it right away, and then periodically throughout the steeping process?

Some posters report that a certain juice tasted like swill to them when it arrived, and then either changed or didn't. While I experience great improvement on rare occasions (the Halo Tribeca I got in 2011 is a perfect example of a juice transforming from awful to wonderful after long steeping, because a disconcerting flavor element diminished), most of the time a fresh juice is simply an adolescent version of the same juice later in its well-steeped adulthood.

If I like a juice fresh, I'll probably like it better steeped, and vice versa (mostly). A few juices I've had didn't age well and lost something essential as they got older, but the vast majority simply settle in to become whatever they truly are after moderate steeping.

Jerms can (and will) do whatever pleases him, but I say, "Try out that Apollo RY4 NOW!"

 

[Jerms]

But but but.. my queue of new juices I have and need to try is ALWAYS backed up lol. I have a month old Chai Latte from MOV just waiting for it's turn. Whenever I try a new juice right away, my other new juices that I've tried recently are saying..... yeah what about us, we've barely introduced ourselves and you're already seeking out new tail.. we see how you are.

You guys go ahead and play with your juices emotions. I concern myself with the feelings of inatimate objects. If you think that's crazy, fine, just go ahead and agree with my therapist.

(Fine I'll try it )

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[Jerms]

Free RY4 for first 20 posters here.. just a few spots left. It'd R-YLD-4 from VapingXtreem.

Edit... spots filled.

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[Jerms]

2 spots left.. BILLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!

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[Calivapr123]

I got my Apollo RY4 sample yesterday too, it does smell very good, I vaped just over a ml of it right out of the bottle. Like you guys said, it's vapable right out of a fresh bottle, tastes is mild and sweet. It reminds me much of TFA RY4 Double, although I get a little more caramel and less vanilla. The vanilla seems to be very present, but what I like about it more than the RY4D is that it's not as perfumey. I've put it away and will check back on it in a couple of weeks.

 

[Jerms]

I got my Apollo RY4 sample yesterday too, it does smell very good, I vaped just over a ml of it right out of the bottle. Like you guys said, it's vapable right out of a fresh bottle, tastes is mild and sweet. It reminds me much of TFA RY4 Double, although I get a little more caramel and less vanilla. The vanilla seems to be very present, but what I like about it more than the RY4D is that it's not as perfumey. I've put it away and will check back on it in a couple of weeks.

I like Apollo's RY4 too, it's classic but very flavorful. Just a quick taste, now it has to wait it's turn before entering the rotation.

Congrats on getting in on the nick of of time for that VX offer.

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